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Post by Tas on Oct 26, 2019 11:50:09 GMT -5
Opinions of Berrynose's sudden heel turn in The Silent Thaw?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 12:21:34 GMT -5
From what I've seen on the spoilers, I'm disappointed, but I can understand it, Bramblestar was his mentor, but he should know that something is wrong.
Do you know what Molewhisker, Cherryfall, and Poppyfrost's stances are in this book?
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 26, 2019 12:31:32 GMT -5
I’m fine with any route they decide to take him. Still shocked and quietly geeking out that he actually does get the spot, but I’m sure he’ll die, become an antagonist or hopefully see the errors of his blind faith in Bramblestar. We’ll see, and I’m excited no matter what.
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Post by Haze on Oct 26, 2019 12:58:10 GMT -5
Berrynose deputy... this is the worst timeline.
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Post by Lightflame on Oct 26, 2019 13:48:42 GMT -5
Sudden?
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Oct 26, 2019 15:00:45 GMT -5
i still love this stupid, stupid man i hope this plot point comes full circle though n it has a good resolution. i dont want him to be fully evil ):
bumblestripe, though. i'll let him be fully evil. one of the original main protagonists kids goes to the dark side? that's cool.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Oct 26, 2019 16:14:17 GMT -5
I am including Game of Thrones references to my prediction:
I think that he is only on Possessed Bramblestar’s (Joffrey) side because he was mostly bribed with the deputy position. I wouldn’t be surprised if Possesed Bramblestar (Joffrey) dies from death berries (the strangler) and Ghost Bramblestar (Robb Stark) and Squirrelflight (Catelyn Stark) die of a mutiny (red wedding). Also most likely if this happens, Berrynose (Tommen) would likely have issues leading and end up inviting rogues and/or tribe cats (The Sparrows) into the clan and they end up taking over Thunderclan (King’s Landing) by taking advantage of him. Bumblestripe (Cersei/Qyborn) tries to stop the rogues (The Sparrows) by causing the abandoned twoleg nest (Great Sept of Bealor) to collapse on the rogues and/or tribe cats (The Sparrows) and the Thunderclan cats that they influenced (The Tyrells). One of the rogues or Stormfur (Septa Unealla) is taken by Bumblestripe and given to Midnight (Ser Robert Strong) to torture. Bumblestripe takes over Thunderclan with someone loyal to him as his deputy. Three days later, Squirrelflight’s body is found by Tree, who brings her back to life resulting in his death in the process. Shadowlights murderer is revealed to be Rock.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 26, 2019 17:16:07 GMT -5
Do you know what Molewhisker, Cherryfall, and Poppyfrost's stances are in this book? Don't know. I can't remember Poppyfrost or Cherryfall being in the book, but they might have been in the background somewhere. Molewhisker was the one who caught Rootpaw and brought him to camp.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 17:51:52 GMT -5
Do you know what Molewhisker, Cherryfall, and Poppyfrost's stances are in this book? Don't know. I can't remember Poppyfrost or Cherryfall being in the book, but they might have been in the background somewhere. Molewhisker was the one who caught Rootpaw and brought him to camp. Oh no, he wasn't mean to him, was he?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 26, 2019 18:00:02 GMT -5
I'm still just trying to seriously process that he's deputy. The thought is still hilarious to me.
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Post by morningflower on Oct 26, 2019 18:04:44 GMT -5
It's funny, I always pictured Berrynose as more of a Cloudtail type of character (though I enjoyed Cloudtail more) which is why his actions kind of shocked me. I thought he would be a character that was more vocally against Framblestar. I wonder if this arc will actually tie off the Lionblaze v Berrynose rivalry that ended up going nowhere, especially since this book gave Lionblaze his first shred of personality since the first books of Po3
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 26, 2019 19:49:05 GMT -5
I can totally see him doing it though? He's always kinda...done stuff like this? And he wants recognition. Ashfur is giving him the recognition he craves. I'm sure he's mildly salty since he has never been chosen to be a mentor or anything.
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Post by kells on Oct 26, 2019 20:38:08 GMT -5
If it's as I read from the spoilers, the classic case of the Erins forcing OOCness for the sake of plot. You'd think since ThunderClan is full cats who were literally raised together-- Berrynose being no exception-- that they would at least know Bramblestar well enough to realize something's not right, or-- I don't know, have faith in their fellow Clanmates to not be traitors but I guess not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 26, 2019 21:19:09 GMT -5
If it's as I read from the spoilers, the classic case of the Erins forcing OOCness for the sake of plot. You'd think since ThunderClan is full cats who were literally raised together-- Berrynose being no exception-- that they would at least know Bramblestar well enough to realize something's not right, or-- I don't know, have faith in their fellow Clanmates to not be traitors but I guess not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Berrynose witnessed the Dark Forest battle and immediately turned against all the Dark Forest trainees I don't think this is THAT OOC Him not noticing the change in Bramblestar is more strange, but as I said, he might just want the acknowledgement he hasn't been given. Ever.
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Post by morningflower on Oct 26, 2019 21:49:26 GMT -5
I have a feeling the Erins probably looked through the list of TC cats who would possibly have a reason to bear a grudge/be a little unsympathetic towards their Clanmates, and probably chose Berrynose and Bumblestripe, the latter for obvious reasons, and the former because he's always been highly competitive and a tad judgemental but hasn't gotten an apprentice. If that's the reason, I'm impressed with the Erins turning what was probably originally an oversight into a plot element.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 26, 2019 21:51:51 GMT -5
That and Berrynose was his apprentice. It would be hard for him surely to ever admit there was anything wrong with the very cat who trained and basically was probably his father figure while he hardly knew Smokey. Praise and recognition from his mentor may be blinding him to cues, who knows!
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Post by Mistybreeze on Oct 27, 2019 23:06:54 GMT -5
I'm with Light, this is not a sudden turn at all. Berrynose has always been an arrogant, egotistical jerk. Before, it was just annoying. But now that he is a position to seriously screw things up, people are finally realizing how bad he truly is.
Let's be real, the only reason he got the job was because he was the worst for it.
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Post by Protractor on Oct 27, 2019 23:58:08 GMT -5
I've warned you guys for years that Berrystar was coming.First WG post I made was about Berrystar happening.And you all stared down on me and laughed.Well now it is I that shall do the laughing.
But in all seriousness I wanted him to get this far ever since he was but just Berry.And now that he has continued the long tradition dawning back to Sunstar or maybe even Pinestar(forget if Pine mentored Sun) he has become deputy after his mentor.And now I am willing to rest with him being there.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 28, 2019 7:05:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Berrystar won't happen because of this. If it were under a different circumstance, sure, I could see it, and wouldn't even mind, would actually like it, but because it's being done this way, it won't happen.
Berrynose hasn't had an apprentice yet, he's not a protagonist, and StarClan is silent, if he actually still has a sense of morality by the end of this he would rightfully step down from his position. And let another cat be chosen properly that has the right credentials for the job. It pains me to admit that right now, Berrynose isn't the best choice, and what they do with his character, along with Bumblestripe, will probably change my view on him as a character. I've personally usually always enjoyed him, but so far, with how he's behaving in TST, it's kinda disappointing...
He's falling into the same villain stereotype and I don't like that...it wouldn't do his character, or development in BrS notably, any justice.
This is pretty much the Erins once again trying to lead us astray with the plot. We thought Stem x Bristle would be a thing but she was thinking too far ahead, and their romance potential was introduced so early on, it left room for potential rejection as well, and that's what happened. We find out that Bristlefrost is given deputy duties and many thought this was a sign she'd be deputy next, but ironically that didn't happen either and it was given to Berrynose instead, a cat that didn't even have an apprentice yet. (Then again the reason she wasn't chosen wasn't that she didn't have an apprentice but because she was too young according to FakeBramble.)
Similar to these two situations above, I'm pretty sure this is again the Erins trying to lead us astray with the plot and deputy choice. Think about it for a moment...Squirrelflight is old at this point, and Bramblestar is even older, Tawnypelt is the same age as Bramble and she stepped down from her deputy position. A younger cat with an apprentice was made deputy after, Juniperclaw, and then after him was Cloverfoot. It makes sense that TC finally gets a new deputy, but they use these odd circumstances to do so, then again it makes it the whole situation more interesting, plot-wise.
I don't think Berrynose will make it to leadership simply because, it's too soon in the series for a secured deputy position, it's only the second book. Also, because the FakeBramble made the decision in the first place, their decision will become invalid when the real one returns, and Berrynose still, again for like the third time, hasn't had an apprentice. Meaning by the end of the arc, neither he, nor Bumble, and probably even Squirrel will have that position...someone else will.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Oct 28, 2019 13:14:37 GMT -5
Im sure Squirrel will get her spot back once things sort out ............... she better
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Post by plaggy on Oct 28, 2019 22:47:18 GMT -5
This is the same cat who wanted the DF Trainees to be persecuted.
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Post by Showers on Oct 29, 2019 0:39:23 GMT -5
..sudden?
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