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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Oct 22, 2019 22:47:53 GMT -5
Sleep tight! And again, thank you for posting spoilers. Goodnight
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 22, 2019 22:54:16 GMT -5
Bristlefrost is really irritating me in this. I like that she gets her grandfather kicked out of the clan. I also have a lot of love for Stemleaf. He seems like he's level headed and a good boi.
I still hope Ashfur dies a terrible death. I am so tired of him.
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Post by sylveon on Oct 23, 2019 0:12:55 GMT -5
Needlepaw knows something is off about her brother. Meanwhile, Rootpaw really wants ghost Bramble to leave him alone. I know this book is super serious, but the thought of Rootpaw trying to do anything at all with Bramble just trailing after him is so funny to me.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Oct 23, 2019 0:54:42 GMT -5
Faith's gone to sleep, time to comment!
-I highly doubt Ashfur is working alone, if it even is him.
-That whole branch scene...God. AND ARE YOU FLIPPING KIDDING ME?!!!?!!?! They killed off Antfur after all the development he's had?! And he's only been a ShadowClan cat for a year! Not to mention the waste of a fresh genetic material. If they needed to kill someone, kill Scorchfur. I don't like him.
-Bristlefrost acting as pseudo-deputy is just weird. I'm probably the only person who didn't see her becoming a spy. Sure, she's a good and loyal warrior, but she never struck me as a Hollylead clone. Yet here we are.
-Totally called the exiles.
-Okay, I like Stemleaf now. He came across as a bit of an blockhead earlier, but he's redeemed himself.
-Poor, poor Rootpaw. It's bad enough that he has a ghost trailing him everywhere, and he can't even deal with the situation without outing himself.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 23, 2019 1:41:13 GMT -5
I'm relieved that Scorchfur didn't die before his daughter became leader. But I do feel bad for Antfur, poor thing...
TC sounds like they're about to have a rebellion...
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 23, 2019 3:26:50 GMT -5
This book sounds insane.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Oct 23, 2019 3:37:35 GMT -5
I feel like it has the potential to be one of the best arcs! I also really like Rootpaw at the moment, I think he’s really sweet.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Oct 23, 2019 9:22:39 GMT -5
So what's going to happen when an apprentice screws up? Is Bramblefake going to exile them too?
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Oct 23, 2019 10:51:01 GMT -5
The possessor can't be working alone, and I'm trying to think of cats who might be helping him.
The only cats I can think of are the Dark Forest cats leftover from after OotS. Darkstripe, Redwillow, and maybe Mapleshade.
I can't think of any StarClan cats that would want revenge against the living besides Ashfur.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 10:53:25 GMT -5
The possessor can't be working alone, and I'm trying to think of cats who might be helping him. The only cats I can think of are the Dark Forest cats leftover from after OotS. Darkstripe, Redwillow, and maybe Mapleshade. I can't think of any StarClan cats that would want revenge against the living besides Ashfur. It's probably Onestar having one of his hissy fits
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Oct 23, 2019 10:55:29 GMT -5
The possessor can't be working alone, and I'm trying to think of cats who might be helping him. The only cats I can think of are the Dark Forest cats leftover from after OotS. Darkstripe, Redwillow, and maybe Mapleshade. I can't think of any StarClan cats that would want revenge against the living besides Ashfur. It's probably Onestar having one of his hissy fits Onestar may be a pain in the tail, but evil he is not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 10:57:29 GMT -5
It's probably Onestar having one of his hissy fits Onestar may be a pain in the tail, but evil he is not. I don't know, purposely keeping a herb from a clan that will save their lives, seems a bit evil to me.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Oct 23, 2019 10:59:48 GMT -5
Onestar was cringe
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Post by halogen on Oct 23, 2019 11:54:23 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that fakeBramblestar is making the elders eat last. It seems like the Erins aren't really capable of doing a plot that questions the basis of the Clans' society without making it so - no, that cat was really breaking the societal rules all along and that's why they were bad. It feels like it ruins the whole concept of the book if fakeBramblestar is only following the parts of the code that he chooses. It would have been so much more interesting if they had made him very gung-ho about feeding the elders, and have that be one of the things they would drive cats out for. Why aren't the Erins capable of writing a villain who follows the law without making him a hypocrite all along to avoid actually questioning said laws?
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 13:36:36 GMT -5
Bristlefrost told Squirrelflight what Rootpaw said because she believed that it was what a loyal warrior would do. Squirrelflight is pretty much like "what nonsense. Did Rootpaw think any cat would believe it?" The only thing is... she clearly believes it. It's obvious to me that Squirrelflight is just pretending not to believe that.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 13:53:51 GMT -5
Poor Snowbird and Stonewing. Stonewing now has a kink in his tail, while Snowbird's paw isn't healing well.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 14:01:35 GMT -5
And... Shadowsight has told the medicine cats about his codebreakers vision. When Shadowsight said Jayfeather's name he was like: "Me? Why?" But of course Shadowsight doesn't know. Puddleshine is angry that Shadowsight didn't share this beforehand with him, but Shadowsight said that Tigerstar wanted it to be kept a secret and that he was worried for Dovewing. Jayfeather says that Tigerstar was right to be scared and that Bramblestar has already been calling for any cat who breaks the code to be punished.
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Post by sylveon on Oct 23, 2019 14:01:44 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that fakeBramblestar is making the elders eat last. It seems like the Erins aren't really capable of doing a plot that questions the basis of the Clans' society without making it so - no, that cat was really breaking the societal rules all along and that's why they were bad. It feels like it ruins the whole concept of the book if fakeBramblestar is only following the parts of the code that he chooses. It would have been so much more interesting if they had made him very gung-ho about feeding the elders, and have that be one of the things they would drive cats out for. Why aren't the Erins capable of writing a villain who follows the law without making him a hypocrite all along to avoid actually questioning said laws? I agree! I think something similar to Darktail making the cats fight for their food would be a little more sinister. He would make sure elders and queens were fed but starved his warriors. ("We're at peace with the other clans anyway.") Food could be left to rot while the elders are getting super plump.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:03:01 GMT -5
Poor Snowbird and Stonewing. Stonewing now has a kink in his tail, while Snowbird's paw isn't healing well. The cats of ShadowClan seemed to be getting hit hard lately. Starting from Squirrelflight's Hope, there was Strikestone who was temporarily deafened for life in one ear.
Now Snowbird and Stonewing might have irreparable damage, not to mention what happened to poor Antfur.
Scorchfur must be made out of steel though, he got squished by a tree branch, and came through without any lasting damage.
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Post by sylveon on Oct 23, 2019 14:04:07 GMT -5
Poor Snowbird and Stonewing. Stonewing now has a kink in his tail, while Snowbird's paw isn't healing well. The cats of ShadowClan seemed to be getting hit hard lately. Starting from Squirrelflight's Hope, there was Strikestone who was temporarily deafened for life in one ear.
Now Snowbird and Stonewing might have irreparable damage, not to mention what happened to poor Antfur.
Scorchfur must be made out of steel though, he got squished by a tree branch, and came through without any lasting damage. Scorchfur runs on pure spite and refuses to die
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:05:34 GMT -5
The cats of ShadowClan seemed to be getting hit hard lately. Starting from Squirrelflight's Hope, there was Strikestone who was temporarily deafened for life in one ear.
Now Snowbird and Stonewing might have irreparable damage, not to mention what happened to poor Antfur.
Scorchfur must be made out of steel though, he got squished by a tree branch, and came through without any lasting damage. Scorchfur runs on pure spite and refuses to die XD I really like Scorchfur, but this made me laugh, he's like one of those "too mean to die" beings.
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Post by Haze on Oct 23, 2019 14:06:10 GMT -5
Go Scorchfur, I am so proud of you.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 14:08:10 GMT -5
Shadowsight: "Perhaps Bramblestar is right. The vision says the Clans will suffer for what codebreakers have done. But perhaps if the codebreakers make amends, the rest of us will be spared." Mothwing: "This is nonsense! This proves what I've always thought. We shouldn't let our ancestors guide us. Why should every cat suffer because a few have made mistakes?" Willowshine: "We can't turn away from StarClan when we disagree with them. They see everything. They have more knowledge than us." Shadowsight: "There have been a lot of injuries in ShadowClan recently. If it's StarClan's doing, we can't let it go on. We have to make things right." Mothwing: "Injuries are a part of life. If we believed StarClan was angry with us every time a warrior gets hurt, then we'd have to believe they were angry with us all the time!"
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 14:11:27 GMT -5
Poor Snowbird and Stonewing. Stonewing now has a kink in his tail, while Snowbird's paw isn't healing well. The cats of ShadowClan seemed to be getting hit hard lately. Starting from Squirrelflight's Hope, there was Strikestone who was temporarily deafened for life in one ear.
Now Snowbird and Stonewing might have irreparable damage, not to mention what happened to poor Antfur.
Scorchfur must be made out of steel though, he got squished by a tree branch, and came through without any lasting damage. Scorchfur does have ointment on his pelt to sooth his injuries, but that's about it. He is more or less fine. Surprisingly.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 14:20:02 GMT -5
Kestrelflight is confused. Kestrelflight: "But it doesn't make sense. Why is Dovewing named and not Tigerstar? They both fell in love with cats from different Clans. They both ran away. Why should only Dovewing be held responsible? It doesn't seem fair."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:22:53 GMT -5
Kestrelflight is confused. Kestrelflight: "But it doesn't make sense. Why is Dovewing named and not Tigerstar? They both fell in love with cats from different Clans. They both ran away. Why should only Dovewing be held responsible? It doesn't seem fair." I love Kestrelflight, he has a good head on his shoulders, and what he said is completely true.
Maybe it's because only Dovewing left her clan, and Tigerheartstar stayed in his?
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 14:23:17 GMT -5
Jayfeather: Why am I named? Or Lionblaze? When have we broken the code?" Kestrelflight: "We've all probably broken the code at some point. Without even realizing." Jayfeather: "Then why wasn't every cat named? Am I going to be punished because my mother broke the code? She was the one who had kits with a cat from another Clan, not me!"
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 23, 2019 14:24:35 GMT -5
Interesting part. I agree with Mothwing and I don’t even like her. Perhaps this will cause the cats to turn away from Starclan even more. Maybe Starclan will have to make amends... that would be extremely interesting.
The problem with the possessed Bramblestar is that is so obviously evil and hypocritical that it makes the other characters seem incredibly stupid that they’re not questioning and rebelling against him left and right. There is the whole leaders word is law thing, but that just makes the warrior code seem even more nonsensical. I keep waiting for someone to say what if we all rebel against the code by questioning the rules set down by Bramblestar. That’s all someone would have to do to stop what was going on (even if it got to physically rebelling). Furthermore, the possessor wouldn’t be able to stop that, because it would destroy his clan and the strength they had. So what seems like a really huge problem could be solved instantly...
I can think of someone who would actually be behind what was going on (Hollyleaf). It would make sense, considering how she and Ashfur acted in Starclan. Not to mention that Hollyleaf was a stickler for the code, was the product of a broken code herself (and thus may believe that some rules didn’t really apply to her), watched the code she died for be thrown out the window shortly after by a bunch of people at once, and had reason to be angry at Leafpool, Squirrelflight, and Bramblestar (to the point where she tried to kill the former). Even though she said she forgives them, she may not completely or what happened in the last arc might send those memories flooding back. All of that could’ve caused her to take a more ruthless approach, leading to the situation we have now.
I remember when the Erins first said Hollyleaf did not give Bramblestar a life for obvious reasons. I’m wondering if those obvious reasons have anything to do with her obsession with the code possibly being twisted... Or if she still would’ve called out Bramblestar for what happened...
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 14:24:49 GMT -5
Um... Jayfeather said that no SkyClan cat was named in response to something Frecklewish said, but I remember Tree being on that list.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 23, 2019 14:26:53 GMT -5
The problem with the possessed Bramblestar is that is so obviously evil and hypocritical that it makes the other character seem incredibly stupid that they’re not questioning and rebelling against him left and right. There is the whole leaders word is law thing, but that just makes the warrior code seem even more nonsensical. I keep waiting for someone to say what if we all rebel against the code by questioning the rules set down by Bramblestar. That’s all someone would have to do to stop what was going on (even if it got to physically rebelling). Furthermore, the possessor wouldn’t be able to stop that, because it would destroy his clan and the strength they had. So what seems like a really huge problem could be solved instantly... That would have to be Stemleaf and Spotfur. They keep questioning him because they know this isn't right.
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