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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 20, 2019 13:08:58 GMT -5
I've tried this a few times before and it always feels like it fails, but here we go again.
I kind of want to create a multiple-Clan roleplay in sort of a "classic fan-Clan" style. As in, there's not really any twists or weird plot points or gimmicks; it's just a few Clans very similar to the canon ones, but with a unique territory, different names, and their own plot(s). The idea wouldn't be to have some huge, fate-of-the-Clans, life and death plot, but rather to give a starting point and let the characters live their day to day lives, coming up with plots on their own. Occasionally, we could seed additional plots for each Clan or all the Clans as a whole to bring them together (or tear them apart), but mostly it would just be the drama of day-to-day life. I'm hoping that it could end up being a long-term roleplay, ideally with players playing the kits of the first generation, and so on, creating layers of history and lore and drama as we go.
Of course, the more people involved in this, the better, but in the end all we really need to keep it going long-term is a few players willing to play multiple characters and stick with the rp. In terms of style, I'm really more concerned about being able to develop characters and keep the story going than making long, detailed, ornate posts. Not to say that literacy and that sort of thing isn't important, but in the end as long as you can write well enough to be easily understood, and enough to be engaging, that should be enough.
I'm hoping for at least three Clans- that way you can get more dynamic drama between them, like two Clans ganging up on the third and such- but two is the minimum, and I'm open to the idea of more than three. In terms of territory, as I said, I mostly want to keep them classic, so the base Clans would probably be your fairly standard forest/meadow Clans. As we add more, we could certainly add slightly more interesting & unique territories, such as adding a water Clan, dividing the kinds of forests they live in, or even go so far as to have a Clan that lives in the edge of the twolegplace, or on a farm, or even underground or something like that! In the end, though, the idea isn't to make the Clan super out-there or unique; instead, we want the characters to be the driving force behind them.
Would anyone be interested in something like this? I'm looking not only for people to help make additional Clans, but also people who would join them. Please only like this post or comment if you are actually willing to go forward with this; but, if you are interested, and would like to be involved, PLEASE comment or at least like the post so I know there is interest and support. Thank you.
Clan & Territory Ideas So Far:
Territory is situated on a lake styled somewhat after the Great Lakes in North America. Though mostly the same as the canon Clans, in terms of geography style, prey, and predators, there is also the possibility for occasional enemies like bears, coyotes, or raccoons in addition to the usual badgers and foxes. Also, winters are quite harsh, and the lake often freezes over for part of the year.
AlgaeClan, The Lake Clan (𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 ) - a Clan that lives in, on, and around the lake and lake shore. Might live predominantly on a set of islands just off the main shore of the lake- close enough to swim throughout most of the year, and in the leafbare, the ice makes a nice path to the mainland. The islands provide some land prey, but not enough to completely replace the fish that they can't access in leafbare, and so they do have some territory on the mainland (or are allowed to hunt on the peripherals of the farm Clan's territory once the lake freezes- undecided). This Clan is somewhat isolationist and secretive- not aggressive, but they prefer to stay out of other Clans' business, and for other Clans to stay out of theirs.
SeedClan, The Farm Clan (Aphelyon ) - this Clan hunts in the pastures, crop fields, and even barns of the farm(s) near the lake, and for this reason they're considered a bit soft by the other Clans, as their prey comes more easily, their dens come more warmly, and they tend to be more comfortable around twolegs than other wild cats. Though just as much a true Clan as any other, this Clan does have more of a tendency to welcome outsiders- they were made originally of outsiders, after all- and tends to be a bit more friendly to non-Clan cats, at times even allowing them to shelter on the territory in barns or similar areas during the harshest leafbare moons. They tend to be altruistic, friendly, curious, and generous- they have, so why should they not share when they are able? However, this also leaves them open to being manipulated, both from within the Clan and outside it, and as a fairly young Clan they have yet to learn the hardest lessons.
The Forest Clan (Oatstripe ) - this Clan lives in the young, open forests beyond the farm. They also share the orchard with the farm Clan, hunting there in the leaf-bare when prey is scarce in the forest.
Additional Clans may be considered.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Oct 21, 2019 11:07:35 GMT -5
i would definitely be willing to help out!!! if there's a water oriented clan i'd definitely like to be a part of it. i love character development and creation and sort of a slice of life type of thing, so i would absolutely love to claim a clan and be a part of this.
i actually really appreciate this type of roleplay more than most if i'm being honest? i feel like people focus their whole attention on trying to make their writing super flowery and extra and unrealistically full of descriptors and dialogue that goes nowhere and gives no other character a chance to react than actually.... making a good roleplay... but that's just my opinion haha.
but yeah! sounds fun. i love traditional clan rps.
of course personally i really like the idea of clans in unique areas of the world (just because i like the naming possibilities and world building opportunities?) but i feel like whatever you go with would be fun!
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 21, 2019 13:23:29 GMT -5
I had a whole response typed up but then my phone deleted it so I'll summarize:
- want to focus on more, shorter (still descriptive, but concise) posts of a few sentences to a paragraph or two (occasionally longer for narration) as opposed to longer, less frequent posts. Focus on the action and progression as opposed to emphasizing elaborate descriptions of the action and progression.
- settings can be slightly unconventional (like a bit coastal or on a farm or in a slightly unusual forest) but I don't want the main point of the Clan to be in a real unusual, extreme place (like a desert or tropical area, etc). So, we can still play around with the territories, but they should still be your typical temperate, somewhat foresty-setting overall. Something easy to jump into without having to learn all the specifics of a convoluted new location, if that makes sense.
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Post by Oatstripe on Oct 21, 2019 14:19:10 GMT -5
I love this idea, and I think it would be so fun!
It's always pretty cool to have roleplays where people are frequent and friendly, you know? I've been in several roleplays where people fight and don't like each other and take it to heart if someone else's character does something to their character. But I feel like the idea you're going for won't have that, and it seems a lot more...(How do I say this??) comfortable.
Additionally, it seems not only fun but like it would be for people who are committed and don't always wanna type out everything. It gets boring for me real quick if I have to type out 20+ sentences about something minuscule.
Anyways, I would love to contribute in any way I can!
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Oct 21, 2019 23:04:08 GMT -5
I had a whole response typed up but then my phone deleted it so I'll summarize: - want to focus on more, shorter (still descriptive, but concise) posts of a few sentences to a paragraph or two (occasionally longer for narration) as opposed to longer, less frequent posts. Focus on the action and progression as opposed to emphasizing elaborate descriptions of the action and progression. - settings can be slightly unconventional (like a bit coastal or on a farm or in a slightly unusual forest) but I don't want the main point of the Clan to be in a real unusual, extreme place (like a desert or tropical area, etc). So, we can still play around with the territories, but they should still be your typical temperate, somewhat foresty-setting overall. Something easy to jump into without having to learn all the specifics of a convoluted new location, if that makes sense. if anything i just kind of like to know what general area things are (like europe vs north america) so i know what kind of wildlife im dealing with haha. im a sucker for specifics like that
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 22, 2019 8:43:34 GMT -5
Right, I'm thinking like, a temperate area that's maybe along a coast, and could maybe have some farmland? So you could, for example, have a Clan that hunts a lot of gulls and such on the seashore, and have another Clan whose territory includes some crop or livestock fields. It wouldn't be a huge break from your typical Clans- the coastal Clan could, for example, mostly be a meadow Clan that just also hunts birds, while the farm Clan could mostly be a forest Clan that also hunts among the corn- but it does provide some additional and unique environments, as well as gives cats a chance to be familiar with more concepts that lend to more unique names- like Cornpaw, or Crabpaw, for example. Additionally, we could also set in a more American landscape, so in addition to your usual foxes and badgers, you might also see the occasional bear, or coyote, or raccoon, though to keep the "traditional" Clan feel those things would probably all be less common than foxes and badgers haha.
Not saying that would have to be the specific territory, but something sort of along those lines, if that makes sense. Basically making the geography a little more unique as opposed to making the biome/setting more extreme.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Oct 22, 2019 8:57:25 GMT -5
yeah i like that a lot!!! i think like. landmarks such as the ones in the old forest (ex: sunningrocks, snakerocks, the burnt sycamore, the owl tree, the carrionplace etc etc) should be more important + help make the world unique than just the biome being the gimmick of the rp
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 22, 2019 9:05:13 GMT -5
For sure! I mean, don't get me wrong, I do like Clans where the landscape is more extreme and offers different challenges- I've made plenty of them myself- it's just not what I'm in the mood for and sometimes I think it's good to go back to your roots, so to speak XD As I've been trying to get back into roleplay and seen a lot of effort for like, complex plots, and advanced 1x1s and stuff (which I do like) it also has been kind of giving me a bit of a nostalgic drive for something more akin to when I started roleplaying, that being that you present a setting (like a pretty standard fan Clan) and then with a lot of short posts and a lot of action make memorable characters and stories out of that. But, I digress.
Really, I think if all three of us are willing to make a Clan, and play at least one or two characters of each Clan, that should really be enough of a starting point for the rp. Hopefully some more people will show up along the way, but if you think you're ready we can start planning in earnest, if you like.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Oct 22, 2019 9:16:20 GMT -5
heck yeah i'm down! i'm sure that once we've got everything started some people will join in. i'm down to run whatever clan also, i have a preference for water based clans but honestly whatever works for me
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 22, 2019 9:26:27 GMT -5
If that's your preference I'm sure we can work with it. Do you have any ideas for the type of water body or Clan personality or anything like that?
I'm down for pretty much any kind of "terrestrial" Clan, so to speak, though I would say that my preference would be either a Clan that climbs a lot (if in forest; maybe a bit of a rockier, slightly more highlands territory) or is very fast (if in open spaces). I also have sort of two ideas for personality depending on what kind of territory. If it's a deep forest Clan, I would want them to be a bit reclusive and xenophobic, a bit ShadowClan-ish. For a meadow Clan, I do really like the idea of a farmland Clan that does a lot of hunting in pastures and stuff, and my idea for that would be that perhaps it originated as a bunch of farm cats who saw the other Clans, liked what they saw, and decided to copy them. So, they would probably be the youngest Clan, and might be a bit disregarded by the other Clans because they're closer to humans and were formed later. In all other regards, though, the Clan would be like any other.
Of the two, as much as I do like the latter idea, I think the former may work better for the concept of this rp, unless either of you are looking to fill the "aggressive Clan" niche.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Oct 22, 2019 11:39:16 GMT -5
ooh i'm trying to not make them too much like riverclan haha. i really like the coastal clan thing. i think it would be interesting to have them on the shore of a bigger lake (like the great lakes area almost. i'm very familiar with lake erie, which has a tendency to freeze over in the winter but is very fun in the summer) so with seagulls but rockier beaches and a connection to those forest territories. it would also make winters interesting because of lake effect and how cold and intensely snowy it gets. i also think little peninsulas and nearby wooded islands would be a cool thing to have as well! i feel like it would be interesting for them to be somewhat isolationist, tending to keep to themselves for the most part due to pride or something and the fact that they don't have to really bother many people during the spring-fall months. they get a little more political during winter because of the frozen water and scarce prey. they don't really have any reason to be hyperaggressive but they tend to be relatively secretive about their business and most other clans are left in the dark about their proceedings. which might be interesting in case an especially malicious cat got control of the clan. hmm.
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 22, 2019 13:32:26 GMT -5
Yeah I like that a lot! Sounds like you've got the xenophobic role covered, then.
My idea would be maybe they mostly live on small, somewhat forested islands just off the shore of the lake. They're enough to provide some prey, and are close enough to swim to the shore in summer, and walk across the ice in winter to reach the shore. Though, there might be a time in the spring/fall when it is both too cold to swim and the ice hasn't frozen yet, during which they're stuck on their islands? Unless there's some sort of bridge or something.
In any case, their islands don't provide enough prey on their own, especially in winter, so they do have some territory on the mainland that they mostly hunt in winter. This means they'll share a border with the other Clans and will give opportunity for border skirmishes.
My Clan could inhabit maybe some of the forest/meadow near the edge of the lake, but mostly live in the large, open pastures and fields of a nearby farm. They're probably a lot more friendly with twolegs and non-Clan cats, and the lake Clan probably doesn't like them bc they think they're soft for living near twolegs for easy prey. Maybe. I don't know exactly yet lol. I'm also kind of feeling like having them be pasture/farm based might be a little too out there so idk.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Oct 22, 2019 19:43:56 GMT -5
ooh yes i really like that!!!!!
also i really like the farm clan. i think that opens the door for some interesting interactions, like are there barns nearby? what about like, farm animals? if so, do you think maybe in times of crisis they resort to like... hunting young chickens? how about livestock, are big hooved animals like horses and cows ever a threat? can i have a cornpaw.
Oatstripe ik you mentioned wanting to help out, would you be interested in running a clan :0?
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 22, 2019 20:11:20 GMT -5
I like the history, if they are a farm Clan, that they perhaps began as barn cats that learned how to be a Clan from the nearby Clans. I'm undecided if they would live in a barn, maybe in an abandoned one? I don't imagine the hoofed livestock would be much of an issue; cats tend to get along well with cattle and horses, so as long as they don't get under their hooves, they should fine. That said, there would still be the possibility that a cat could be trampled from time to time, either from not knowing better, making a mistake, or a livestock animal being startled or cranky.
If there are hogs, that would also be an interesting one, because they will tear other animals apart if they're so inclined and have the access. So they could also serve as a slight danger- don't go near the hog pens, even though there are mice there, because if they catch you they'll eat you alive.
As for smaller livestock like poultry, I assume the cats would mostly have learned not to mess with them. There might also be dogs or something that guard them, so there might be times the cats would go after them, but for the most part they'd be off-limits. It would be something to explore, though.
Either way, probably the prey that lives in any crop fields and the barns, plus rabbits and birds and the like in the pastures, would be plenty to keep the Clan fed pretty much year-round. Hmm... that actually gives me an idea. What if the farm Clan actually owns everything pretty much up to the shoreline, with the lake Clan taking the very edge of the shore, but during the winter when prey is scarce, the farm Clan allows the lake Clan to hunt on part of their territory, perhaps the meadow/forest between the farm and the lake? Since the pastures give them plenty of prey, they don't need that as much, so they typically don't mind the lake Clan hunting there during the moons the lake is frozen over. That could cause some conflict later on if, for example, the lake Clan decides they want to push further into the farm Clan's territory, or else the farm Clan decides to limit when/where the lake Clan can hunt one leafbare.
Also, yes, you can totally have Cornpaw XD
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Post by ᴄᴏɴɪ﹣ғᴇʀᴏᴜs on Oct 23, 2019 8:21:02 GMT -5
I'd like to join! I like tri-clan stories, to be honest.
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 8:31:34 GMT -5
Cool ^^ Would you be looking to do the third Clan?
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Post by ᴄᴏɴɪ﹣ғᴇʀᴏᴜs on Oct 23, 2019 8:36:34 GMT -5
Aphelyon - I'm afraid I don't have the time to manage an entire clan, but I can say that I will be continuously active. Finals and mid-terms and high-school entrance exams are upcoming for me. I will be happy to help out where I can, though!
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 8:37:51 GMT -5
Sounds great! Good luck on your tests. Just wanted to if we for sure had the third Clan or if we're still kinda waiting lol
ahh now I kind of want to work out layouts and territory for my Clan but I don't wanna jump the gun lol.
I put brief descriptions in the OP for our Clans so new people don't have to read through our posts. If you want me to add anything to yours let me know. I think I decided that the farm Clan is a fairly young Clan (maybe two or three generations? Like, they still know who the original founders were, and who's descended from them and how, etc.), and probably on only like their third or fourth leader ever. So they're still pretty naive as a Clan, and that could also be a source of contention from the (probably older) lake Clan that has some disdain for this "uppity kittypet Clan" they're neighbors with.
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Post by Oatstripe on Oct 23, 2019 9:16:30 GMT -5
𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙Most definitely! I would love to run a clan! :000
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 9:18:08 GMT -5
Awesome, so that makes all three then. Do you have any ideas for your Clan yet?
Name ideas for the farm Clan: - HayClan - HoofClan - SeedClan
- PastureClan
- PlowClan - SoilClan
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Post by Oatstripe on Oct 23, 2019 9:22:48 GMT -5
So based on the thread so far, there's a water-based clan, and a farm clan, right? What about a plains-based clan? Like, a meadow or something like that. I know it sounds generic, but it could be a clan that's based around hiding techniques, (such as in tall grass), and a lot of the names would be nature-based or based on flowers. What do you think?
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 9:31:07 GMT -5
Well, I imagine that the farm Clan is going to predominantly be field-based, considering their territory will consist of a lot of wide open pastures and maybe a few crop fields with maybe some tall-ish growing plants (like corn). To fill in the gap, probably the most appropriate third territory would be something forest-based, but if you like the idea of a meadow Clan, there's no real reason we can't have two that live in fairly open spaces.
As a compromise, I can think of two things. One, that your Clan lives in a fairly open-floored forest, so there are trees they can climb, but the forest floor is open and grassy and filled with wildflowers in the warmer moons, something a bit like this, perhaps:
OR, I shift the Clan from being predominantly crop-fields and pastures (maybe still having a few, but less) and make it mostly orchards, which would add in some trees in a similar way as I described above (except, of course, as a fruit orchard as opposed to a young, open forest).
The could also be some measure of both, with both Clans being both meadow and forest Clans, but one just being slightly more forest, and one slightly more meadow.
I'm fine with any of those ideas, so it's really up to you.
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Post by Oatstripe on Oct 23, 2019 9:40:06 GMT -5
The forest-based clan sounds perfect! I think that would be a great compromise, and could include a lot of awesome functions! That sounds good to me.
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 9:42:13 GMT -5
Awesome ^^ I actually really love the idea of having an orchard as part of the territory now that I've thought of it, so I will probably keep that, but as a fairly small part of their territory. Or, maybe the orchard is a point of contention between my Clan and yours? My Clan feeling it should belong to them because it's technically part of the farm, your Clan feeling it should belong to them because it's very similar to their forest territory? Doesn't have to be a conflict point, but could be.
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Post by Oatstripe on Oct 23, 2019 9:45:02 GMT -5
I like that idea as well! It could be like the conflict between Sunning Rocks with RiverClan and ThunderClan. And like you said, it doesn't always have to be a conflict, either. Whatever you want to do with the orchard involving conflicts or no conflicts is alright with me, but I definitely do like the idea of having the orchard between both of the clans.
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 9:56:16 GMT -5
I definitely like the idea of it being a contested area.
Hmm... so, what if it's kind of like I suggested with the mainland area that the farm Clan lets the lake Clan hunt on in leafbare? Basically, that it's the farm Clan's territory, but they let the other Clans use it in the colder months, because the farm Clan has plenty of prey, and the other Clans start to suffer? This could lead to one of a few things happening. Maybe your Clan decides, "why shouldn't it be our territory ALL year?" and tries to take it over in greenleaf as well, OR, perhaps the farm Clan starts to get tired of having the other Clans feel entitled to their territory. Or perhaps both. Hmmmmmm now I have a whole idea oof.
So, FarmClan owns the lakeside forest/meadow, and the orchard, but lets the other Clans hunt there in leafbare when their prey is scarce, because FarmClan doesn't really NEED that territory. This is an easy agreement for a while- it started back when FarmClan was founded, as part of their agreement with the other two Clans to be recognized as a full Clan. However, ForestClan starts to think that they need the orchard more than FarmClan does, and so every year they start to hunt there sooner, and stop hunting there later. At first it was just in the deepest part of leafbare, but it's getting to the point where they're hunting there well into leaf-fall and newleaf. FarmClan starts to get tired of this, and pushes back, which starts a fight between FarmClan and ForestClan, and so FarmClan starts really cracking down on when the other Clans are allowed to hunt on their territory- including LakeClan, which had been pushing their luck a little but not as much (considering they prefer to fish when possibly anyways). So now LakeClan is mad at ForestClan for pushing their luck too far with FarmClan and making them suffer as well, they're made at FarmClan for being more strict; FarmClan is mad at both of the other Clans for, they feel, taking advantage of them; and ForestClan is mad at FarmClan for controlling territory they feel entitled to. I can't say how that would all end, but it could be an interesting long-term plot.
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 10:12:29 GMT -5
As another note: it seems like the easy solution would be, "If FarmClan doesn't really need the territory, why does it matter if the other Clans hunt there/why don't they just give it to them/why did they claim it in the first place" and the answer is, they actually DO need it, but only seasonally, like the other Clans. That's why they divided up the year in the first place, so that they could all have the prey they needed during the times of year they needed it, without risking stealing the other Clans' prey.
I imagine that the times of year FarmClan would need the extra territory would predominantly be during the spring/fall, when the fields are being plowed & seeded, or harvested. Possibly also in the spring when cattle are giving birth (I think that's spring), as the mothers might be a bit more aggressive/protective of their newborn calves, making it a bit more dangerous to hunt in the cattle pastures. There would also be harvest times for the orchard, but it would be just as accessible as usual at night, plus I think fruit orchard harvests are a bit MORE of a year-round, drawn-out thing that harvest and planting of crop fields? It would require a little bit of research to get the exact details, but that would be the general idea.
Basically, as the other Clans push into the leaf-fall & newleaf seasons, they are taking prey that FarmClan actually does need, during the parts of the year they actually need it, which makes FarmClan feel disrespected. Not to say that the other Clans don't need it- maybe there are extraneous factors that mean their prey is scarcer for longer parts of the year as well, forcing them to hunt on FarmClan territory longer- but FarmClan probably wouldn't know about those, or they generally weren't properly communicated. I'm reluctant to outright make any one Clan entirely and exclusively a victim or the aggressor, so they would all have bad things they're doing and good reasons for doing them.
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Post by Oatstripe on Oct 23, 2019 10:26:38 GMT -5
That's such a great plot idea! I really like it. I think it could definitely be a long-term conflict, and a good one, at that. ForestClan says "We need it, not you!", and then LakeClan feels like they're being punished for nothing, and FarmClan feels like it's being taken advantage of. I think this will provide for a really interesting conflict and will test the waters a little bit with how these Clans would handle certain situations such as this. Especially considering these clans are ones that seem familiar to the ones in the books, but they have different structures.
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Post by Aphelyon on Oct 23, 2019 12:37:30 GMT -5
Yeah we would probably want to start the rp at the beginning of the plot, probably when the other Clans are just starting to push further into the year, and build it up over time until it comes to war. This gives FarmClan some time to be a little pushover for a while before they have to put their foot down, as well as build the tension and thoroughly explore all the Clans' reasoning for doing what they're doing.
It's not a huge dramatic plot, it's definitely slow build, but that's probably better for an rp like this.
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Post by Oatstripe on Oct 23, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
Yea, definitely. I think that would be a good idea!
(Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I haven't ever done a roleplay on here before. Where would we start?)
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