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Post by hazelstar on Oct 18, 2019 22:17:12 GMT -5
I hear lots of criticism about this book.... what do you think about both the common critizisms it receives and the book itself? I'm thinking about reading it next..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 22:37:11 GMT -5
hmm its been a long time since i've read it, but i remember being kind of underwhelmed by the plot and disappointed in yellowfang's characterization. she's an entirely different character until the like, very last chapter when she does a 180 and becomes the yellowfang of the OG series. i havent kept up with the series at all past TPB but what i've seen of the later books and what i've read of her SE, it's like the writers kind of forgot how to write Yellowfang and don't know what made her a charming character in the first place. like, they understand that she's a gruff old lady and don't comprehend her much beyond that. personally, i don't consider it the worst book ever, but it's not great. Sort of middle of the road if you don't care about her in the first place and mostly disappointing if you enjoy her at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 10:51:36 GMT -5
I really liked it Unlike in Tallstar's Revenge, Bluestar's Prophecy, and Crookedstar's Promise, Yellowfang had supportive parents and supportive siblings. In her youth, she wasn't as angsty as the three characters mentioned above, and I enjoyed reading her POV the most.
For me, the most annoying character in the story was Raggedpelt.
It also takes place in ShadowClan, which is a plus. Most of the characters are so nice and supportive of each other, Cedarstar and Stonetooth are absolute sweethearts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 11:53:46 GMT -5
I personally enjoyed it, ironically enough, because of how depressing it was (which tends to be one of the reasons people don't like it). It was a nice change from the happy-go-lucky, mostly-rule-following and helpful ThunderClan which I enjoy too, but after a while it can get old. It was just kinda fascinating to see ShadowClan's often rashful- and even ruthless- culture and finally see it in their own perspective.
At least in my opinion if you can look past the mistakes (timeline and character-wise), some questionable plot points, and can handle a lot of the dark and frustrating characters in the book, then it's possible to enjoy it. But it's definitely not everyone's cup of tea and I don't blame people for hating it, it's a challenging book to appreciate.
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 19, 2019 12:50:41 GMT -5
Yes, it's that bad.
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Post by hazelstar on Oct 19, 2019 13:57:53 GMT -5
I personally enjoyed it, ironically enough, because of how depressing it was (which tends to be one of the reasons people don't like it). It was a nice change from the happy-go-lucky, mostly-rule-following and helpful ThunderClan which I enjoy too, but after a while it can get old. It was just kinda fascinating to see ShadowClan's often rashful- and even ruthless- culture and finally see it in their own perspective. At least in my opinion if you can look past the mistakes (timeline and character-wise), some questionable plot points, and can handle a lot of the dark and frustrating characters in the book, then it's possible to enjoy it. But it's definitely not everyone's cup of tea and I don't blame people for hating it, it's a challenging book to appreciate. Yeah, that's one of the reasons I want to read it, because I know it has emotional appeal. And that's one of my favorite things to read about! I am also curious about Brokenstar and his leadership(I want to analyze him) and it's one of the main reasons I want to read it
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 20, 2019 11:15:57 GMT -5
It's an average warrior cats book. Mistakes, depressing plot, etc.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 20, 2019 14:26:33 GMT -5
i think it's only "bad" because:
1) Raggedpelt/star's behavior and his relationship with Yellowfang is disgusting to read about (even though it's essential to the plot)
2) Yellowfang was "forced" to become a medicine cat when she didn't want to
3) Yellowfang having "powers" (i remember really hating that about this book so i'll add it here)
the actual events are fine since Yellowfang's life is supposed to be tragic (and we saw lots of hints of that in the original series anyways, this SE just expands and gives context to those)
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Post by hazelstar on Oct 20, 2019 14:31:45 GMT -5
i think it's only "bad" because: 1) Raggedpelt/star's behavior and his relationship with Yellowfang is disgusting to read about (even though it's essential to the plot) 2) Yellowfang was "forced" to become a medicine cat when she didn't want to 3) Yellowfang having "powers" (i remember really hating that about this book so i'll add it here) the actual events are fine since Yellowfang's life is supposed to be tragic (and we saw lots of hints of that in the original series anyways, this SE just expands and gives context to those) Disgusting? That's powerful… how so?
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 20, 2019 15:46:41 GMT -5
Yes, it's that bad. Inconsistencies aside, hardly any of the characters were likable, Yellowfang's relationship with Raggedstar was disturbing to read about thanks to its abusive nature, the fact that Brokenstar is meant to be a punishment years after the Clans drove out SkyClan is dumb (I do however like it in concept, and it would've made more sense if it had been closer to Redstar's time), Yellowfang's power was also unnecessary, and I also didn't like how she was manipulated into becoming a medicine cat.
As for it being depressing, I don't think I've ever seen anyone list that as a reason for not liking it. Unless you're going into the series reading this book first, Yellowfang having a tragic life is to be expected. We already knew her story from what we were told in both the first arc and guides, and YS is simply showing it fully.
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Post by hazelstar on Oct 20, 2019 15:49:35 GMT -5
Yes, it's that bad. Inconsistencies aside, hardly any of the characters were likable, Yellowfang's relationship with Raggedstar was disturbing to read about thanks to its abusive nature, the fact that Brokenstar is meant to be a punishment years after the Clans drove out SkyClan is dumb (I do however like it in concept, and it would've made more sense if it had been closer to Redstar's time), Yellowfang's power was also unnecessary, and I also didn't like how she was manipulated into becoming a medicine cat. As for it being depressing, I don't think I've ever seen anyone list that as a reason for not liking it. Unless you're going into the series reading this book first, Yellowfang having a tragic life is to be expected. We already knew her story from what we were told in both the first arc and guides, and YS is simply showing it fully. I thought the whole SkyClan punishment thing was just a theory! It's cool that it's legit, it makes me like it more.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 22, 2019 15:39:28 GMT -5
i think it's only "bad" because: 1) Raggedpelt/star's behavior and his relationship with Yellowfang is disgusting to read about (even though it's essential to the plot) 2) Yellowfang was "forced" to become a medicine cat when she didn't want to 3) Yellowfang having "powers" (i remember really hating that about this book so i'll add it here) the actual events are fine since Yellowfang's life is supposed to be tragic (and we saw lots of hints of that in the original series anyways, this SE just expands and gives context to those) Disgusting? That's powerful… how so? its been ages since i read it but i do know yellowfang's relationship with raggedstar was toxic (cant remember specifics)
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Post by Fireleap on Oct 22, 2019 17:44:33 GMT -5
Pretty average, leaning towards bad
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Post by sonnensturm1 on Oct 23, 2019 16:10:49 GMT -5
I like the book. I was very exited to read about all those ShadowClan cats we only knew briefly from the field guides and StarClan.
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Post by Papillon on Oct 24, 2019 20:29:42 GMT -5
Yep. The abuse from her so called "mate" and disrespect the entire time is reason enough the book is bad.
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