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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:11:15 GMT -5
I just thought of something. Have you guys ever read/watched Tuck Everlasting? Well, remember that creek that basically made them all immortal? What if some water from that creek somehow spilled into the river by clan territory, but it had already passed through before everyone could get a drink, and only a few cats drank some of the water?
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Post by halogen on Oct 18, 2019 15:28:43 GMT -5
I still maintain that Mistystar's longevity really isn't all that implausible. Feral cats who survive kitten hood live an average of two years, but the lifespan can shoot up with just a bit better conditions like those created by human management (which would be reproduced by the Clans caring for each other, with medicine, etc.). So it would seem that a cat with nine lives could live on average 18+ years - except of course you have to take into account age, and it getting harder to survive the older you get. But feral cats anywhere are not in chronically poor health, they just seem to die suddenly mostly when they die - ones in managed colonies often die of old age rather than being easy pickings for a whole variety of deaths as soon as they get slightly old. So the effect of age wouldn't be as great as it seems. It seems very plausible to me that a Clan cat with nine lives could live as long as Mistystar is living. The only real implausible thing is the very long lifespans of the older (one life) ThunderClan cats or really any older non-leader main character, and the unusually short lifespans of a lot of leaders (Sunstar, Shadowstar, etc.) given their nine lives - even cats like Firestar, imagine if all of the characters died at the same rate at which Firestar lost lives! It really seems like the authors think nine lives is a free ticket to killing off that character all the time to the point it seems they are incredibly unlucky... And even with the long-lived cats like Graystripe and friends, it wouldn't be a problem if there was just one outlier that lived like 14 years - look at how in human societies in pre-modern times, the average lifespan subtracting infant mortality was like 40, but people who lived 70-90 years did absolutely exist. The problem is that there are so many of them all in the same generation, to the point its clear the authors just can't bear to kill that generation off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:45:55 GMT -5
I still maintain that Mistystar's longevity really isn't all that implausible. Feral cats who survive kitten hood live an average of two years, but the lifespan can shoot up with just a bit better conditions like those created by human management (which would be reproduced by the Clans caring for each other, with medicine, etc.). So it would seem that a cat with nine lives could live on average 18+ years - except of course you have to take into account age, and it getting harder to survive the older you get. But feral cats anywhere are not in chronically poor health, they just seem to die suddenly mostly when they die - ones in managed colonies often die of old age rather than being easy pickings for a whole variety of deaths as soon as they get slightly old. So the effect of age wouldn't be as great as it seems. It seems very plausible to me that a Clan cat with nine lives could live as long as Mistystar is living. The only real implausible thing is the very long lifespans of the older (one life) ThunderClan cats or really any older non-leader main character, and the unusually short lifespans of a lot of leaders (Sunstar, Shadowstar, etc.) given their nine lives - even cats like Firestar, imagine if all of the characters died at the same rate at which Firestar lost lives! It really seems like the authors think nine lives is a free ticket to killing off that character all the time to the point it seems they are incredibly unlucky... And even with the long-lived cats like Graystripe and friends, it wouldn't be a problem if there was just one outlier that lived like 14 years - look at how in human societies in pre-modern times, the average lifespan subtracting infant mortality was like 40, but people who lived 70-90 years did absolutely exist. The problem is that there are so many of them all in the same generation, to the point its clear the authors just can't bear to kill that generation off. That is true, but in this series, they had 5 year old cats being elders. But ever since moving to the new forest, there are 12 year old cats who are still warriors, so who knows?
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 18, 2019 16:51:10 GMT -5
I don't think the Erins would think of doing that.
I read Tuck Everlasting when I was in elementary school. I guess it was interesting. It's been a while since I last read it.
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Post by Willowmoon on Oct 18, 2019 17:05:43 GMT -5
Dear Mistystar,
WhY aRe YoU nOt DeAd YeT??
I'm getting a bit bored of you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 17:18:12 GMT -5
*Ravenpaw*You're probably right When I first read it, I thought she was dumb for wasting it on a toad, but the second time, I found that pretty sweet WillowmoonI like Mistystar, but I want REEEEEDSTAR
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Post by Willowmoon on Oct 18, 2019 17:19:14 GMT -5
That might be boring tho. GIVE MEH A RIVERCLAN PROTAG THERE ARE LIKE NONE
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 17:22:24 GMT -5
That might be boring tho. GIVE MEH A RIVERCLAN PROTAG THERE ARE LIKE NONE I don't care if it's boring, Reedwhisker deserves something good in his life. First, he lost all of his littermates, then he had to be a kit for like over a year, he was an apprentice while Leafpool was an apprentice, even though he was born a series before her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 17:29:51 GMT -5
That might be boring tho. GIVE MEH A RIVERCLAN PROTAG THERE ARE LIKE NONE A RiverClan protagonist would be cool though and a WindClan one. I vote for Weaselfur!
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Post by halogen on Oct 18, 2019 22:53:06 GMT -5
I still maintain that Mistystar's longevity really isn't all that implausible. Feral cats who survive kitten hood live an average of two years, but the lifespan can shoot up with just a bit better conditions like those created by human management (which would be reproduced by the Clans caring for each other, with medicine, etc.). So it would seem that a cat with nine lives could live on average 18+ years - except of course you have to take into account age, and it getting harder to survive the older you get. But feral cats anywhere are not in chronically poor health, they just seem to die suddenly mostly when they die - ones in managed colonies often die of old age rather than being easy pickings for a whole variety of deaths as soon as they get slightly old. So the effect of age wouldn't be as great as it seems. It seems very plausible to me that a Clan cat with nine lives could live as long as Mistystar is living. The only real implausible thing is the very long lifespans of the older (one life) ThunderClan cats or really any older non-leader main character, and the unusually short lifespans of a lot of leaders (Sunstar, Shadowstar, etc.) given their nine lives - even cats like Firestar, imagine if all of the characters died at the same rate at which Firestar lost lives! It really seems like the authors think nine lives is a free ticket to killing off that character all the time to the point it seems they are incredibly unlucky... And even with the long-lived cats like Graystripe and friends, it wouldn't be a problem if there was just one outlier that lived like 14 years - look at how in human societies in pre-modern times, the average lifespan subtracting infant mortality was like 40, but people who lived 70-90 years did absolutely exist. The problem is that there are so many of them all in the same generation, to the point its clear the authors just can't bear to kill that generation off. That is true, but in this series, they had 5 year old cats being elders. But ever since moving to the new forest, there are 12 year old cats who are still warriors, so who knows? The five year old elders were all cases of the cats being intended to be older than that, but the prequels messed up with the timeline. The current age of retirement is still pretty ridiculously high, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 22:56:24 GMT -5
That is true, but in this series, they had 5 year old cats being elders. But ever since moving to the new forest, there are 12 year old cats who are still warriors, so who knows? The five year old elders were all cases of the cats being intended to be older than that, but the prequels messed up with the timeline. The current age of retirement is still pretty ridiculously high, though. I wonder what the actual set timeline is, and how old these characters are actually supposed to be, and like, what are the real truths in some matters.
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