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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:19:56 GMT -5
I know this has been discussed 83593853853 times already, but I thought of something, and it kind of irritates me.
I can understand Leafpool, Barkface, and whoever else WANTED to be a medicine cat, to have to follow that rule, because they knew about it when they signed up for this duty to their clan.
However, in the cases of Goosefeather, Yellowfang, Jayfeather, etc, those cats who were pretty much forced to be medicine cats. It's not fair. It's not fair that they have to give up all their hopes and dreams for the sake of StarClan. Yellowfang desperately wanted kits, and because of her destiny, the only living kit she had turned out to be the worst cat ever, and she didn't even get to raise him.
I just think that cats who didn't have a choice in the matter, should have more lax rules, than those who willingly signed on for this.
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Post by Tas on Sept 29, 2019 20:25:11 GMT -5
It's not fair that any medicine cats should be disallowed from having kits just because one medicine cat couldn't handle it.
But I disagree, it's not a good idea for certain cats within a strict role to have different rules and limitations than others. It would cause conflict, jealousy, etc.
Better just to for goodness sake let everyone have kits if they want.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:27:44 GMT -5
It's not fair that any medicine cats should be disallowed from having kits just because one medicine cat couldn't handle it. But I disagree, it's not a good idea for certain cats within a strict role to have different rules and limitations than others. It would cause conflict, jealousy, etc. Better just to for goodness sake let everyone have kits if they want. Yeah, that's true. I don't like that rule either because 90% of the time, after cats become apprentices, their parents just treat them like any other cat. Unless they're Berrynose or something. I'm just saying that it's doubly not fair in the case of cats who didn't have a choice.
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Post by Tas on Sept 29, 2019 20:30:03 GMT -5
It's not fair that any medicine cats should be disallowed from having kits just because one medicine cat couldn't handle it. But I disagree, it's not a good idea for certain cats within a strict role to have different rules and limitations than others. It would cause conflict, jealousy, etc. Better just to for goodness sake let everyone have kits if they want. Yeah, that's true. I don't like that rule either because 90% of the time, after cats become apprentices, their parents just treat them like any other cat. Unless they're Berrynose or something. I'm just saying that it's doubly not fair in the case of cats who didn't have a choice. Doubly unfair, sure, but I don't think select medicine cats should get their own rules. That's the complete wrong way to go about changing a dumb law.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:32:47 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. I don't like that rule either because 90% of the time, after cats become apprentices, their parents just treat them like any other cat. Unless they're Berrynose or something. I'm just saying that it's doubly not fair in the case of cats who didn't have a choice. Doubly unfair, sure, but I don't think select medicine cats should get their own rules. That's the complete wrong way to go about changing a dumb law. True A LOT less problems would happen if medicine cats were allowed to have kits. Brokenstar might not have turned out to be a bad guy, if Yellowfang was able to raise him instead of Lizardstripe, I know it wasn't all Lizardstripe's fault, but I think she had a big hand in it
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Sept 30, 2019 1:48:27 GMT -5
I dislike Moth Flight because of that reason. Just because she couldn't do something doesn't mean the others couldn't find a way. For example, Leafpool had her sister, and Brambleclaw(star). If the rule wasn't applied, she could have spoken to them and they would have helped her. Same with Firestar and Sandstorm. These cats have their whole Clan to help them.
Moth Flight was young, she lost her mate, and she was the first medicine cat which I understand would have been stressful, but she didn't have to put her sorrow and frustration into a rule for the following generations of med cats.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 6:58:14 GMT -5
I dislike Moth Wing because of that reason. Just because she couldn't do something doesn't mean the others couldn't find a way. For example, Leafpool had her sister, and Brambleclaw(star). If the rule wasn't applied, she could have spoken to them and they would have helped her. Same with Firestar and Sandstorm. These cats have their whole Clan to help them. Moth Flight was young, she lost her mate, and she was the first medicine cat which I understand would have been stressful, but she didn't have to put her sorrow and frustration into a rule for the following generations of med cats. I agree 100%
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 30, 2019 8:56:59 GMT -5
It's not fair that any medicine cats should be disallowed from having kits just because one medicine cat couldn't handle it. So much this. I have always hated that and hated it more after finding out why.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 30, 2019 14:30:17 GMT -5
I actually like the rule itself, though I'm not a fan of the reason it exists. I think the spiritual parts of medicine-cathood are more important than the healing parts, and a lot of real-world religions expect their high positions to remain celibate. I think the idea of giving up something in order to be on a more personal level with StarClan is a good idea.
It's just... they forgot about that sometime in the last 10 years, and now the reason no MCs EVER can have kits is because one apprentice-aged cat couldn't handle four kits and all of Clan destiny at the same time. Seems like wasted potential, honestly.
My crack theory is that Half Moon was so upset at being rejected by Jay's Wing (because he was a MC and couldn't have a mate) that she made it against the rules for all medicine cats to have kits out of spite; thereby creating a stable time loop that caused her problem in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 14:45:51 GMT -5
I actually like the rule itself, though I'm not a fan of the reason it exists. I think the spiritual parts of medicine-cathood are more important than the healing parts, and a lot of real-world religions expect their high positions to remain celibate. I think the idea of giving up something in order to be on a more personal level with StarClan is a good idea. It's just... they forgot about that sometime in the last 10 years, and now the reason no MCs EVER can have kits is because one apprentice-aged cat couldn't handle four kits and all of Clan destiny at the same time. Seems like wasted potential, honestly. My crack theory is that Half Moon was so upset at being rejected by Jay's Wing (because he was a MC and couldn't have a mate) that she made it against the rules for all medicine cats to have kits out of spite; thereby creating a stable time loop that caused her problem in the first place. That's a pretty neat theory Looking at it like that, it actually makes sense, like seeing med-cats as priests or something. I usually see them as doctors myself, but I can see how they could be seen as priests as well
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Post by Crookedstar is best on Sept 30, 2019 21:54:24 GMT -5
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Yeah, it’s pretty stupid, but good for drama I guess. For example, medicine cats will learn how to deal with pregnancy in their lifetime and theoretically would be able to go through it themselves (and they ARE able to go through it themselves, as seen in the books). And if the issue was the medicine cats caring for their kits over duty, first of all, the case in Warriors has (more often than not) been treated as ‘blood is thicker than water’, second of all, their mates could just take care of the kits most of the time and then when the medicine cat is not busy they could hang around and help care for their kits. We see this behavior in humans, specifically, those in the medical field. Even though being a doctor, for example, can be a VERY busy job they still get time to hang out with their family and if they are unable to take care of their children, their partner can (if they have one). If not a partner, they will usually have family members to help babysit their child or sometimes the child will be old enough to be fine when home alone. Or some will hire babysitters, which is absolutely okay too. This is by no means the BEST way to raise a child, but it’s way better than “Yeah, my mom had me then had to leave me with some random person. For some reason, we have this like, law where you can’t have kids if you’re a doctor.” But drama, right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 22:09:50 GMT -5
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Yeah, it’s pretty stupid, but good for drama I guess. For example, medicine cats will learn how to deal with pregnancy in their lifetime and theoretically would be able to go through it themselves (and they ARE able to go through it themselves, as seen in the books). And if the issue was the medicine cats caring for their kits over duty, first of all, the case in Warriors has (more often than not) been treated as ‘blood is thicker than water’, second of all, their mates could just take care of the kits most of the time and then when the medicine cat is not busy they could hang around and help care for their kits. We see this behavior in humans, specifically, those in the medical field. Even though being a doctor, for example, can be a VERY busy job they still get time to hang out with their family and if they are unable to take care of their children, their partner can (if they have one). If not a partner, they will usually have family members to help babysit their child or sometimes the child will be old enough to be fine when home alone. Or some will hire babysitters, which is absolutely okay too. This is by no means the BEST way to raise a child, but it’s way better than “Yeah, my mom had me then had to leave me with some random person. For some reason, we have this like, law where you can’t have kids if you’re a doctor.” But drama, right?
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I'm actually living that situation! My sister is a CNA, she works at a nursing home, she goes in at 6 in the morning and gets home at around 7:30 PM, so that's over 12 hours, for five or two days during the week, depending on what week it is. One week she will work Monday, Tuesday, be off Wednesday, Thursday, and work Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and the next week, she will be off Monday, Tuesday, work Wednesday, Thursday, and be off Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. She recently had a baby (he's 4 months old now) and during the time she's at work, I watch him.
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Post by kinkajou on Oct 1, 2019 16:01:02 GMT -5
I dislike Moth Flight because of that reason. Just because she couldn't do something doesn't mean the others couldn't find a way. For example, Leafpool had her sister, and Brambleclaw(star). If the rule wasn't applied, she could have spoken to them and they would have helped her. Same with Firestar and Sandstorm. These cats have their whole Clan to help them. Moth Flight was young, she lost her mate, and she was the first medicine cat which I understand would have been stressful, but she didn't have to put her sorrow and frustration into a rule for the following generations of med cats. I agree what almost everyone here said it's such a dumb rule and Moth Flight may be even worse than Needletail. I just wanted to add to this spoilers for SqH Part of Moth Flight's reason for creating the rule was having to give up her kits and not wanting anyone else to go through that. Besides that she didn't have to she just didn't ask for help cause she was stupid, all her rule did was force medicine cats to give up their kits and hurt them even more than she was hurt. Yellowfang, for example, could have raised her kits if the rule didn't exist Gosh I'm literally considering putting Moth Flight as my least favorite, under Needletail. I just hate her so so so so so so so so much
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 1, 2019 16:05:32 GMT -5
I don't think it'd be fair to only have certain cat have kits. Either all of them can or none at all. That being said, I feel like the rule really should be amended at this point.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 1, 2019 16:39:00 GMT -5
Part of Moth Flight's reason for creating the rule was having to give up her kits and not wanting anyone else to go through that. Besides that she didn't have to she just didn't ask for help cause she was stupid, all her rule did was force medicine cats to give up their kits and hurt them even more than she was hurt. Except Moth Flight did have help. She even has Slate watch her kits at one point, and Spider Paw nearly drowns afterwards because they were looking for her. This would be the last straw for her, as it's the event that leads her to realizing that she can't be both a medicine cat and mother. And it's not like she could've foreseen what would've happened to Yellowfang and Leafpool and likely expected for future medicine cats to be more like Acorn Fur: wanting a family, but choosing duty over their own desires. She was also only still a child by the end of it, so I'm not at all surprised she didn't think it through more and was making it more so based on her own emotions. And as we know, decisions based on one's personal feelings don't always work out well (though StarClan agreeing with her then and there is another story and was just really stupid). The entire reason she made the rule was because she didn't want other medicine cats to suffer like she had and she had good intentions, but as the saying goes, that's exactly what the road to Hell is paved with. Ironically, more cats ended up suffering because of this rule, and who knows how many more medicine cats have broken it besides Yellowfang and Leafpool. It's also important to remember that she had ADD and already had trouble concentrating anyway, so this does make me wonder what would've happened if, say, Dappled Pelt had been the one to have had kits instead. Either the rule wouldn't have been in place at all, or it at least would've been worded better than just not allowing medicine cats to not have kits at all. It's certainly interesting to think about at least.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 1, 2019 17:51:19 GMT -5
I made a topic about something similar to this where the main problem is not the rule. It’s the entire Clan system. The problem is, unlike human doctors and other medical personnel, there’s only one medicine cat in the entire Clan most of the time ( two or three if they are lucky).
Pregnancy and nursing can have a period where the person cannot do much for some time. This doesn’t change no matter how many people are there to help. As a result, the female medicine cat wouldn’t be able to provide any of her services or could only provide minimum amounts of services for that period. And since she’s the only one, the Clan can’t risk that. A medicine cat can take on apprentices, but that doesn’t do much if more than one of them is pregnant, or someone is reckless. Fathers don’t have it quite as bad, but spending time with their children takes time away from their duties, and with that, Time away from being the only doctor in the Clan.
People saying the other cats have done it when Moth Flight couldn’t might be forgetting some of the issues that came with that. Leafpool had to leave her Clan for several days to give birth, which put them in a very dangerous position because she was the only medicine cat. Thankfully nothing went wrong in the Clan. Yellowfang probably wouldn’t have been able to raise her son much anyway, due to having to do her duties and her mentor getting on in age. So it’s still a problem even if they could have children because there’s only one of them. Unlike humans doctors where anyone that meet certain qualifications can become one and there is no limit.
So I think the best way to get around the issue is to rework the system that only allows a very limited number of medicine cats. Because if one thinks about it, that’s the real problem, because pregnancy and children caused them to be away from their duties when the others can’t afford that.
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Post by alphayamergo on Oct 1, 2019 21:45:10 GMT -5
I actually like the rule itself, though I'm not a fan of the reason it exists. I think the spiritual parts of medicine-cathood are more important than the healing parts, and a lot of real-world religions expect their high positions to remain celibate. I think the idea of giving up something in order to be on a more personal level with StarClan is a good idea. I find it especially irritating because this was implied to be the reason medicine cats couldn't take mates in Twilight, what with Leafpool struggling to reach StarClan because her head was too full with Crowfeather. If they'd kept that as the justification for medicine cats not taking mates/having kits, I still would have been irritated by about 80% of how the whole adoption plot was handled, but at least the in-universe reasoning would have made sense. Instead, it's all because a teen mum who never asked for help couldn't handle having multiple kids at once. What a shock. Definitely something that a reasonably level-headed cat who had a strong support structure behind her like Leafpool couldn't have overcome. Obviously, it was better to manipulate her into give up the children she desperately wanted rather than review a rule made countless generations ago by a teenager.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Oct 2, 2019 12:10:47 GMT -5
Honestly I'm still waiting for a med cat Tom to have kits instead of med she-cat. We only know of the she cats having kits, why not from a Tom's point of view?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 12:13:24 GMT -5
Honestly I'm still waiting for a med cat Tom to have kits instead of med she-cat. We only know of the she cats having kits, why not from a Tom's point of view? I would LOVE that Puddleshine and Mothwing That way, there'd be yet another Tigerclone, which the authors just love, and Shadowpaw will have a reason to be the main medicine cat of ShadowClan, without Puddleshine dying
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Post by Tas on Oct 2, 2019 16:17:05 GMT -5
I actually like the rule itself, though I'm not a fan of the reason it exists. I think the spiritual parts of medicine-cathood are more important than the healing parts, and a lot of real-world religions expect their high positions to remain celibate. I think the idea of giving up something in order to be on a more personal level with StarClan is a good idea. It's just... they forgot about that sometime in the last 10 years, and now the reason no MCs EVER can have kits is because one apprentice-aged cat couldn't handle four kits and all of Clan destiny at the same time. Seems like wasted potential, honestly. My crack theory is that Half Moon was so upset at being rejected by Jay's Wing (because he was a MC and couldn't have a mate) that she made it against the rules for all medicine cats to have kits out of spite; thereby creating a stable time loop that caused her problem in the first place. I would agree with this more if every single medicine cat didn't wish they could have kits.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 2, 2019 17:44:03 GMT -5
I actually like the rule itself, though I'm not a fan of the reason it exists. I think the spiritual parts of medicine-cathood are more important than the healing parts, and a lot of real-world religions expect their high positions to remain celibate. I think the idea of giving up something in order to be on a more personal level with StarClan is a good idea. It's just... they forgot about that sometime in the last 10 years, and now the reason no MCs EVER can have kits is because one apprentice-aged cat couldn't handle four kits and all of Clan destiny at the same time. Seems like wasted potential, honestly. My crack theory is that Half Moon was so upset at being rejected by Jay's Wing (because he was a MC and couldn't have a mate) that she made it against the rules for all medicine cats to have kits out of spite; thereby creating a stable time loop that caused her problem in the first place. I would agree with this more if every single medicine cat didn't wish they could have kits. this is why its so dumb cats are FORCED to be medicine cat. more of them should CHOSE it so in that, they also CHOSE to abide by the medicine cat laws including not having any kits.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 18:33:43 GMT -5
Neekwanakwaki (Cloud)I just thought of something, what if tom medicine cats DID have kits? Remember all those apprentices without parents that suddenly appeared in WindClan, in Bramblestar's Storm? Kestrelflight's the father. Also, Fidgetflake's the father of Bellaleaf's kit, there, the mystery's been solved lol
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Post by Ligerfrost on Oct 2, 2019 19:28:13 GMT -5
I made a topic about something similar to this where the main problem is not the rule. It’s the entire Clan system. The problem is, unlike human doctors and other medical personnel, there’s only one medicine cat in the entire Clan most of the time ( two or three if they are lucky). Pregnancy and nursing can have a period where the person cannot do much for some time. This doesn’t change no matter how many people are there to help. As a result, the female medicine cat wouldn’t be able to provide any of her services or could only provide minimum amounts of services for that period. And since she’s the only one, the Clan can’t risk that. A medicine cat can take on apprentices, but that doesn’t do much if more than one of them is pregnant, or someone is reckless. Fathers don’t have it quite as bad, but spending time with their children takes time away from their duties, and with that, Time away from being the only doctor in the Clan. People saying the other cats have done it when Moth Flight couldn’t might be forgetting some of the issues that came with that. Leafpool had to leave her Clan for several days to give birth, which put them in a very dangerous position because she was the only medicine cat. Thankfully nothing went wrong in the Clan. Yellowfang probably wouldn’t have been able to raise her son much anyway, due to having to do her duties and her mentor getting on in age. So it’s still a problem even if they could have children because there’s only one of them. Unlike humans doctors where anyone that meet certain qualifications can become one and there is no limit. So I think the best way to get around the issue is to rework the system that only allows a very limited number of medicine cats. Because if one thinks about it, that’s the real problem, because pregnancy and children caused them to be away from their duties when the others can’t afford that. Honestly this is why I don't have a problem with cats like Daisy and Clovertail who were/are permanent queens. Because they could have acted as an aid for medicine cat females. And there definitely should be more medicine cats. Though I'm not sure if there is few medicine cats because of an unspoken rule or because most cats simply aren't interested in the job. For one being a medicine cat is not an easy job. Even if you take the StarClan aspect out of it, It requires you to learn and memorize a lot of herbs and practices. How to heal certain injuries and treat illness. It sometimes requires you to use that knowledge in the most stressful of times. You have to keep your cool and not become overwhelmed when there is chaos going on or if family is hurt or sick. Most cats chosen for the role of medicine cat have an affinity for herbs and or a special connection to StarClan. There is also the overall Clan's feelings toward medicine cats. For instance. ShadowClan has shown they don't have a lot of respect for their medicine cats. This is most evident in Yellowfang's secret where Yellowfang, after having to choose becoming a medicine cat, practically no one supports, or respects her decision and she is even thought of as a coward for being one. This is also probably why they keep having their medicine cats wait until their near death's door before they get an apprentice. So it's unclear if it's because they don't want too many medicine cats because of some weird StarClan thing or because of an inner Clan prejudice, or just not enough cats capable of handling the job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 19:42:40 GMT -5
I made a topic about something similar to this where the main problem is not the rule. It’s the entire Clan system. The problem is, unlike human doctors and other medical personnel, there’s only one medicine cat in the entire Clan most of the time ( two or three if they are lucky). Pregnancy and nursing can have a period where the person cannot do much for some time. This doesn’t change no matter how many people are there to help. As a result, the female medicine cat wouldn’t be able to provide any of her services or could only provide minimum amounts of services for that period. And since she’s the only one, the Clan can’t risk that. A medicine cat can take on apprentices, but that doesn’t do much if more than one of them is pregnant, or someone is reckless. Fathers don’t have it quite as bad, but spending time with their children takes time away from their duties, and with that, Time away from being the only doctor in the Clan. People saying the other cats have done it when Moth Flight couldn’t might be forgetting some of the issues that came with that. Leafpool had to leave her Clan for several days to give birth, which put them in a very dangerous position because she was the only medicine cat. Thankfully nothing went wrong in the Clan. Yellowfang probably wouldn’t have been able to raise her son much anyway, due to having to do her duties and her mentor getting on in age. So it’s still a problem even if they could have children because there’s only one of them. Unlike humans doctors where anyone that meet certain qualifications can become one and there is no limit. So I think the best way to get around the issue is to rework the system that only allows a very limited number of medicine cats. Because if one thinks about it, that’s the real problem, because pregnancy and children caused them to be away from their duties when the others can’t afford that. Honestly this is why I don't have a problem with cats like Daisy and Clovertail who were/are permanent queens. Because they could have acted as an aid for medicine cat females. And there definitely should be more medicine cats. Though I'm not sure if there is few medicine cats because of an unspoken rule or because most cats simply aren't interested in the job. For one being a medicine cat is not an easy job. Even if you take the StarClan aspect out of it, It requires you to learn and memorize a lot of herbs and practices. How to heal certain injuries and treat illness. It sometimes requires you to use that knowledge in the most stressful of times. You have to keep your cool and not become overwhelmed when there is chaos going on or if family is hurt or sick. Most cats chosen for the role of medicine cat have an affinity for herbs and or a special connection to StarClan. There is also the overall Clan's feelings toward medicine cats. For instance. ShadowClan has shown they don't have a lot of respect for their medicine cats. This is most evident in Yellowfang's secret where Yellowfang, after having to choose becoming a medicine cat, practically no one supports, or respects her decision and she is even thought of as a coward for being one. This is also probably why they keep having their medicine cats wait until their near death's door before they get an apprentice. So it's unclear if it's because they don't want too many medicine cats because of some weird StarClan thing or because of an inner Clan prejudice, or just not enough cats capable of handling the job. I know this post wasn't directed towards me, but when Stonetooth stood up for Yellowfang, against Foxheart and Lizardtail taunting her, it made me absolutely adore him. He said "You're doing great. Don't worry, these mouse-brained warriors will get used to this in a couple of days, when something else catches their attention. I think you'll make a fine medicine cat, Yellowfang. And remember this—when your apprenticeship is over, cats like Foxheart and Lizardstripe will be coming to you for help." So I'm glad not ALL ShadowClan cats disrespect med-cats
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 3, 2019 13:11:44 GMT -5
Honestly this is why I don't have a problem with cats like Daisy and Clovertail who were/are permanent queens. Because they could have acted as an aid for medicine cat females. And there definitely should be more medicine cats. Though I'm not sure if there is few medicine cats because of an unspoken rule or because most cats simply aren't interested in the job. For one being a medicine cat is not an easy job. Even if you take the StarClan aspect out of it, It requires you to learn and memorize a lot of herbs and practices. How to heal certain injuries and treat illness. It sometimes requires you to use that knowledge in the most stressful of times. You have to keep your cool and not become overwhelmed when there is chaos going on or if family is hurt or sick. Most cats chosen for the role of medicine cat have an affinity for herbs and or a special connection to StarClan. There is also the overall Clan's feelings toward medicine cats. For instance. ShadowClan has shown they don't have a lot of respect for their medicine cats. This is most evident in Yellowfang's secret where Yellowfang, after having to choose becoming a medicine cat, practically no one supports, or respects her decision and she is even thought of as a coward for being one. This is also probably why they keep having their medicine cats wait until their near death's door before they get an apprentice. So it's unclear if it's because they don't want too many medicine cats because of some weird StarClan thing or because of an inner Clan prejudice, or just not enough cats capable of handling the job. I know this post wasn't directed towards me, but when Stonetooth stood up for Yellowfang, against Foxheart and Lizardtail taunting her, it made me absolutely adore him. He said "You're doing great. Don't worry, these mouse-brained warriors will get used to this in a couple of days, when something else catches their attention. I think you'll make a fine medicine cat, Yellowfang. And remember this—when your apprenticeship is over, cats like Foxheart and Lizardstripe will be coming to you for help." So I'm glad not ALL ShadowClan cats disrespect med-cats I don’t think that Shadowclan as a whole disrespect medicine cats. I think the issue with them is that we’ve only seen the more unstable rules, dawn of the clans aside. So we’ve only seen Raggedstar ( Who didn’t pay too much attention to Yellowfang, and didn’t have much control over his rowdier warriors), Brokenstar ( didn’t respect anyone that wasn’t willing to focus only on battle), Nightstar ( respected everyone, but his reign was brief), Tigerstar I ( didn’t respect anyone that didn’t follow his vision), Blackstar ( showed some disrespect for medicine cats, but said disrespect was during desperate times, and he realized his mistakes later), Rowanstar (didn’t disrespect medicine cats, but was dealing with the apprentice rebellion where a lot of characters did), and Tigerstar II ( was close to his medicine cats, especially since one of them is his son). So I think it’s mainly because we’ve seen so much turmoil in Shadowclan that there is the issue of respect. I think if we saw them during some more heroic times, there might not be that issue. In terms of medicine cats not picking an apprentice until very late, and may be that in order to do the Starclan version of the duties, a cat must first be seen as worthy. So they wait until a cat is worthy in the living world before choosing them to help with the spiritual one. For example, Leafpool is concerned that Puddleshine hasn’t shown any signs of being considered for the medicine cat position, despite being consulted beforehand and being fine with it. Mothwing loses her position temporarily because she cannot do the Starclan duties, and was otherwise not accepted by them, and it causes trouble even when she has it. So while apprentices can learn different herbs and what not regardless, only certain cats can speak to Starclan and it’s as important as the role in the living world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 13:27:31 GMT -5
I know this post wasn't directed towards me, but when Stonetooth stood up for Yellowfang, against Foxheart and Lizardtail taunting her, it made me absolutely adore him. He said "You're doing great. Don't worry, these mouse-brained warriors will get used to this in a couple of days, when something else catches their attention. I think you'll make a fine medicine cat, Yellowfang. And remember this—when your apprenticeship is over, cats like Foxheart and Lizardstripe will be coming to you for help." So I'm glad not ALL ShadowClan cats disrespect med-cats I don’t think that Shadowclan as a whole disrespect medicine cats. I think the issue with them is that we’ve only seen the more unstable rules, dawn of the clans aside. So we’ve only seen Raggedstar ( Who didn’t pay too much attention to Yellowfang, and didn’t have much control over his rowdier warriors), Brokenstar ( didn’t respect anyone that wasn’t willing to focus only on battle), Nightstar ( respected everyone, but his reign was brief), Tigerstar I ( didn’t respect anyone that didn’t follow his vision), Blackstar ( showed some disrespect for medicine cats, but said disrespect was during desperate times, and he realized his mistakes later), Rowanstar (didn’t disrespect medicine cats, but was dealing with the apprentice rebellion where a lot of characters did), and Tigerstar II ( was close to his medicine cats, especially since one of them is his son). So I think it’s mainly because we’ve seen so much turmoil in Shadowclan that there is the issue of respect. I think if we saw them during some more heroic times, there might not be that issue. In terms of medicine cats not picking an apprentice until very late, and may be that in order to do the Starclan version of the duties, a cat must first be seen as worthy. So they wait until a cat is worthy in the living world before choosing them to help with the spiritual one. For example, Leafpool is concerned that Puddleshine hasn’t shown any signs of being considered for the medicine cat position, despite being consulted beforehand and being fine with it. Mothwing loses her position temporarily because she cannot do the Starclan duties, and was otherwise not accepted by them, and it causes trouble even when she has it. So while apprentices can learn different herbs and what not regardless, only certain cats can speak to Starclan and it’s as important as the role in the living world. Those are all really good points. Didn't Rowanstar kinda brush off Puddleshine when he came to him for help about Yellowcough though?
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 3, 2019 13:36:08 GMT -5
I don’t think that Shadowclan as a whole disrespect medicine cats. I think the issue with them is that we’ve only seen the more unstable rules, dawn of the clans aside. So we’ve only seen Raggedstar ( Who didn’t pay too much attention to Yellowfang, and didn’t have much control over his rowdier warriors), Brokenstar ( didn’t respect anyone that wasn’t willing to focus only on battle), Nightstar ( respected everyone, but his reign was brief), Tigerstar I ( didn’t respect anyone that didn’t follow his vision), Blackstar ( showed some disrespect for medicine cats, but said disrespect was during desperate times, and he realized his mistakes later), Rowanstar (didn’t disrespect medicine cats, but was dealing with the apprentice rebellion where a lot of characters did), and Tigerstar II ( was close to his medicine cats, especially since one of them is his son). So I think it’s mainly because we’ve seen so much turmoil in Shadowclan that there is the issue of respect. I think if we saw them during some more heroic times, there might not be that issue. In terms of medicine cats not picking an apprentice until very late, and may be that in order to do the Starclan version of the duties, a cat must first be seen as worthy. So they wait until a cat is worthy in the living world before choosing them to help with the spiritual one. For example, Leafpool is concerned that Puddleshine hasn’t shown any signs of being considered for the medicine cat position, despite being consulted beforehand and being fine with it. Mothwing loses her position temporarily because she cannot do the Starclan duties, and was otherwise not accepted by them, and it causes trouble even when she has it. So while apprentices can learn different herbs and what not regardless, only certain cats can speak to Starclan and it’s as important as the role in the living world. Those are all really good points. Didn't Rowanstar kinda brush off Puddleshine when he came to him for help about Yellowcough though? Who came to help for whom? I don’t remember that, but it’s been a while since I’ve read that specific book. If Puddleshine is coming to his leader for help, then that’s not something the leader is going to know much about anyway, unless they were somehow a medicine cat beforehand. Not to mention that that was a very stressful time in their history, which means that the leader isn’t going to pay as much attention to things like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 13:38:32 GMT -5
Those are all really good points. Didn't Rowanstar kinda brush off Puddleshine when he came to him for help about Yellowcough though? Who came to help for whom? I don’t remember that, but it’s been a while since I’ve read that specific book. If Puddleshine is coming to his leader for help, then that’s not something the leader is going to know much about anyway, unless they were somehow a medicine cat beforehand. Not to mention that that was a very stressful time in their history, which means that the leader isn’t going to pay as much attention to things like that. Yeah, that is true. And Puddleshine coming to Rowanstar for help.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Oct 6, 2019 14:57:22 GMT -5
I would agree with this more if every single medicine cat didn't wish they could have kits. this is why its so dumb cats are FORCED to be medicine cat. more of them should CHOSE it so in that, they also CHOSE to abide by the medicine cat laws including not having any kits. To be perfectly honest. When they become apprentices they are really too young to really understand that and it really hurts a lot of them.
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Post by KittyClearsight on Oct 6, 2019 16:45:46 GMT -5
this is why its so dumb cats are FORCED to be medicine cat. more of them should CHOSE it so in that, they also CHOSE to abide by the medicine cat laws including not having any kits. To be perfectly honest. When they become apprentices they are really too young to really understand that and it really hurts a lot of them. I was gonna say the same. Cats make the choice when they're still only kits, they're not old enough to even understand love, let alone the desire to raise kits.
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