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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 12:45:46 GMT -5
Both cats left ThunderClan (For Graystripe, it was at least temporarily) but Dovewing is called "selfish" for this while people support Graystripe. Why do you think fans react differently about this?
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Sept 28, 2019 12:53:37 GMT -5
I don't think they were selfish at all. They wanted to give the best life for their kits.
As for the question, I think fans believed Graystripe deserved better since he suffered enough since Silverstream died. Or that he may have had a better reason such as not 'causing' a war to happen between ThunderClan and RiverClan.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 28, 2019 12:57:33 GMT -5
Maybe b/c Graystripe is a likable character and Dovewing isn't
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 12:59:43 GMT -5
I think it might be because Graystripe is from the OG series, and he's like the first forbidden relationship that was canon, so people weren't sick of forbidden relationships at this point. Where as Dovewing and Tigerheart happened after 3958395383 forbidden relationships, and people were just tired of it. That's just my theory though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 13:04:45 GMT -5
Maybe b/c Graystripe is a likable character and Dovewing isn't That's just a personal opinion from a lot of people since some do like Dovewing as a character and I'm neutral/like on Graystripe now after rereading the OS a while back. There are traits that people do like from Dovewing. For example, I admire the sacrifices she makes for the sake of her own happiness. It means she's willing to do whatever she can to take care of herself and she won't let other cats stop her from doing that. She's also attached to Tigerheart, which is something I can relate to from my own friends, and I can also relate to her from feeling pressured easily (I used to be pressured a lot at my old school until my mom pulled me out of it). She does have some likable traits; she's just a victim of bad writing, which is honestly unfortunate because she was well written & turning into a strong character in Dovewing's Silence until the editors messed that up in AVoS.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 28, 2019 13:32:22 GMT -5
Maybe b/c Graystripe is a likable character and Dovewing isn't That's just a personal opinion from a lot of people since some do like Dovewing as a character and I'm neutral/like on Graystripe now after rereading the OS a while back. There are traits that people do like from Dovewing. For example, I admire the sacrifices she makes for the sake of her own happiness. It means she's willing to do whatever she can to take care of herself and she won't let other cats stop her from doing that. She's also attached to Tigerheart, which is something I can relate to from my own friends, and I can also relate to her from feeling pressured easily (I used to be pressured a lot at my old school until my mom pulled me out of it). She does have some likable traits; she's just a victim of bad writing, which is honestly unfortunate because she was well written & turning into a strong character in Dovewing's Silence until the editors messed that up in AVoS. I just mean for the fandom in general (I don't even like Graystripe lol) Tis too bad she could have been a good character :/
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Post by Featherwind on Sept 28, 2019 13:47:13 GMT -5
I'm quite the opposite, I adore Dovewing a lot while being neutral on Graystripe (I still ship GraySilver and like his loyalty to Firestar, but I really don't like how he pretty much ignored his duty as Bracken's mentor). For most part people are unreasonably hating Dove too much, period. And maybe when we read about Gray in TPB we were just too young to realize that Gray made a bunch of mistakes as well (considering that most people probably read TPB in their childhood, like me). I do think Gray can be forgiven for his mistakes however, he's pretty amazing after he got back to ThunderClan in TPB.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 28, 2019 14:35:43 GMT -5
I mean, Greystripe's romance wasn't as frustrating, and he moved to the other clan so that he wouldn't leave his kits, who were all he had left of Silverstream.
Remember that Riverclan demanded them. I don't know. Greystripe's move was out of tragedy, so I feel more for him.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Sept 28, 2019 14:38:24 GMT -5
i don't like either of them and i think they were both selfish, but I do agree with you that it's stupid that the fandom condemns one and not the other
I'd guess the reasons why are - greystripe's personality is more objectively likable (I know that liking someone is an opinion but greystripe is a lot more laid-back and humorous than dovewing) - greystripe was only really prominent in the og series so people have nostalgia towards his character, while most of the readers associate dovewing with the less well received latter books - greysilver was the first important forbidden romance so the concept was fresher - dovewing spent like an entire arc angsting over it while the the greysilver kits stuff only lasted for a few books
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Sept 28, 2019 14:52:53 GMT -5
To be honest I’m not really a fan of either but I can see where you’re coming from Aqua I think the reason why Dove gets more hate for doing the same thing as Greystripe is because the TigerDove ship has been shoved down everyone’s throats too many times. Dovewing got a bonus scene in AVoS and it was literally all based on the TigerDove couple. Her relationship with Tigerheart and the Bumblestripe Tigerheart Dovewing love triangle was tiring and a pathetic plot device. That being said, I adore Dovewing in TBC, she’s a great mom and seems happy with Tigerheart. (Also what Card against 2019 said above)
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Post by whiteflight on Sept 28, 2019 15:54:44 GMT -5
I agree with what Cappuccionkitty said. I'm sure everyone was tired of the TigerDove ship cause it kept going on forever and they kept breaking up and getting back together sooooooo many times that's probably why they called Dove selfish because of what happened in the past. While for GraySilver they stayed together I know the romance was bad but it was also tragic since Silver did leave him and the kits (plus it was the first forbidden romance we saw that ended in a tragic way). I'm fine with both cats leaving their clan to stay with their kits or to have the whole family together so I have no hate for that part.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Sept 29, 2019 6:41:04 GMT -5
Short but sweet, but I think they were both selfish. But they did it for their kits which has a selfless aspect to it.
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