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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 9:13:58 GMT -5
Does ThunderClan seem to have the least close families?
It's weird, because, even though we've seen their POV the most, it seems like, the only time you realize someone is related, is when it's mentioned. Like, I constantly forget that Poppyfrost and Cinderheart are sisters.
However, in ShadowClan, Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, Dawnpelt, Tigerheart, and Flametail seemed like a very close and realistic family. Like, there's no question that they're related. Also, Juniperclaw sneaking around to help his deranged sister. Snowbird and Scorchfur always appearing in scenes together in Tigerheart's Shadow, and them defending their kit in that one book. There are some families that aren't close in ShadowClan, like Puddleshine and Slatefur, but all in all, they do seem close.
Or it might just be ShadowClan with the close families, with a few exceptions, like Hawkwing and his kits, and Sandynose and his kits, and Onestar and Heathertail.
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Post by Brindlefern on Sept 15, 2019 9:18:08 GMT -5
The Erins are just really bad at writing close familial relations with a lot of these cats tbh, that's all I can gather out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 9:29:07 GMT -5
The Erins are just really bad at writing close familial relations with a lot of these cats tbh, that's all I can gather out of it. That makes sense Sometimes, I wonder if they remember who is even related who. I remember when Ivypool and Dovewing were born, Dustpelt was teasing Cloudtail about them being his kin, when they're his as well lol
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Post by Haze on Sept 15, 2019 9:37:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Shadowclan have closer familiar ties, but to be fair around half of the clan came from Scorchfur and Snowbird so it's easy to remember.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Sept 15, 2019 9:42:40 GMT -5
honestly, I think one major way to improve the series would be to focus more on family relationships and less on romantic ones
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 9:45:16 GMT -5
HazeHaha, that's true XD I still love how ShadowClan used to be known for the dark pelts, and then you have a white cat over there, having all the kits Card against HumanityI agree completely! I'd rather read about Rootpaw's relationship with his sister, rather than his crush on Bristlefrost.
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Post by Hawkflower on Sept 15, 2019 10:41:53 GMT -5
The Erins are just really bad at writing close familial relations with a lot of these cats tbh, that's all I can gather out of it. That makes sense Sometimes, I wonder if they remember who is even related who. I remember when Ivypool and Dovewing were born, Dustpelt was teasing Cloudtail about them being his kin, when they're his as well lol That’s a funny example. Now I want to find it lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 10:57:54 GMT -5
That makes sense Sometimes, I wonder if they remember who is even related who. I remember when Ivypool and Dovewing were born, Dustpelt was teasing Cloudtail about them being his kin, when they're his as well lol That’s a funny example. Now I want to find it lol Good luck! I would tell you myself, but I don't pay attention to book titles, so I have no idea what book they were born in tbh lol
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Post by Hawkflower on Sept 15, 2019 11:59:37 GMT -5
That’s a funny example. Now I want to find it lol Good luck! I would tell you myself, but I don't pay attention to book titles, so I have no idea what book they were born in tbh lol lmao! I think they were born in Sunrise so it can’t be too far off
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 12:05:01 GMT -5
Good luck! I would tell you myself, but I don't pay attention to book titles, so I have no idea what book they were born in tbh lol lmao! I think they were born in Sunrise so it can’t be too far off I actually have the Power of Three books on my hockey table XD I'll try to find that scene, it might take awhile though lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -5
Good luck! I would tell you myself, but I don't pay attention to book titles, so I have no idea what book they were born in tbh lol lmao! I think they were born in Sunrise so it can’t be too far off I found it! It's on page 290 of Sunrise It says.. "We'll all have to watch our tails when these kits are old enough to leave the nursery." Dustpelt's voice held a hint of amusement. "They have your blood, Cloudtail, and we all know the hard time you gave Firestar when you were a kit." Cloudtail snorted. "They'll be fine warriors, Dustpelt, and I'll claw any cat who says different."
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 15, 2019 13:53:56 GMT -5
I think they're getting better about it? I see a lot more focus on family relationships in some of the newer books.
The Fernsong/Ivypool family is seen to be very close, and we got a good shot of Firestar/Sandstorm family in SqH. On top of that, Dustpelt/Ferncloud family is close, as is Cloudtail/Brightheart and Birchfall/Whitewing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 14:01:46 GMT -5
I think they're getting better about it? I see a lot more focus on family relationships in some of the newer books. The Fernsong/Ivypool family is seen to be very close, and we got a good shot of Firestar/Sandstorm family in SqH. On top of that, Dustpelt/Ferncloud family is close, as is Cloudtail/Brightheart and Birchfall/Whitewing. I know, I love it, except when Snowbush died, Cloudtail, Brightheart, and Snowbush's littermates were no where to be seen, and only Lilyheart showed any signs of grief, which was really sad.
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Post by Hawkflower on Sept 15, 2019 16:33:31 GMT -5
lmao! I think they were born in Sunrise so it can’t be too far off I found it! It's on page 290 of Sunrise It says.. "We'll all have to watch our tails when these kits are old enough to leave the nursery." Dustpelt's voice held a hint of amusement. "They have your blood, Cloudtail, and we all know the hard time you gave Firestar when you were a kit." Cloudtail snorted. "They'll be fine warriors, Dustpelt, and I'll claw any cat who says different." Thanks! That’s hilarious
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 16:36:48 GMT -5
I found it! It's on page 290 of Sunrise It says.. "We'll all have to watch our tails when these kits are old enough to leave the nursery." Dustpelt's voice held a hint of amusement. "They have your blood, Cloudtail, and we all know the hard time you gave Firestar when you were a kit." Cloudtail snorted. "They'll be fine warriors, Dustpelt, and I'll claw any cat who says different." Thanks! That’s hilarious You're welcome I know right? All I could think of was..."Uh, they share your blood too, you know that, right?" I wonder if Birchfall is Dustpelt's least favorite kit
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 15, 2019 21:29:32 GMT -5
You're welcome I know right? All I could think of was..."Uh, they share your blood too, you know that, right?" I wonder if Birchfall is Dustpelt's least favorite kit Well, considering he trained in the same Dark Forest that killed his beloved mate AND one of his sons....probably.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 21:39:39 GMT -5
You're welcome I know right? All I could think of was..."Uh, they share your blood too, you know that, right?" I wonder if Birchfall is Dustpelt's least favorite kit Well, considering he trained in the same Dark Forest that killed his beloved mate AND one of his sons....probably. Yeah, that's true I also feel like he didn't grow as close to Birchfall as he did to his other kits, because he was probably afraid of losing him too, like he did his sisters. That's just a theory that probably isn't true. I wonder who his favorite kit was
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Post by sylveon on Sept 16, 2019 0:50:13 GMT -5
I feel like some books/arcs will highlight a few families and then never again, so it's just enough who we have an idea of who's related. Like we know Sorreltail mothered Cinderheart, Poppyfrost, and Honeyfern but after PoT their relationship isn't really mentioned outside of Poppy's drama with Honey/Berry. We have a brief mention of Lilykit(heart) being their sister when she's born but we never see any closeness considering Sorrel dies. Also Bracken has kind of disappeared these last two arcs and I keep thinking the poor dude is dead. It's really disappointing because we get a glimpse that these cats do really love and care for their families but then poof! Suddenly Snowbush is dead and Brightheart and Cloudtail are no where to be found. I don't even remember if his kits grieved. I forgot he even HAD kits until it's mentioned in SH. It makes the characters seem shallow at times or even dumb, and it really loses so many chances to be emotional and powerful. If we had so many more scenes like we did Leafpool and Squirrelflight, can you imagine how much more connected ThunderClan would seem? It doesn't even sound as if half of them are even friends.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 7:22:15 GMT -5
I feel like some books/arcs will highlight a few families and then never again, so it's just enough who we have an idea of who's related. Like we know Sorreltail mothered Cinderheart, Poppyfrost, and Honeyfern but after PoT their relationship isn't really mentioned outside of Poppy's drama with Honey/Berry. We have a brief mention of Lilykit(heart) being their sister when she's born but we never see any closeness considering Sorrel dies. Also Bracken has kind of disappeared these last two arcs and I keep thinking the poor dude is dead. It's really disappointing because we get a glimpse that these cats do really love and care for their families but then poof! Suddenly Snowbush is dead and Brightheart and Cloudtail are no where to be found. I don't even remember if his kits grieved. I forgot he even HAD kits until it's mentioned in SH. It makes the characters seem shallow at times or even dumb, and it really loses so many chances to be emotional and powerful. If we had so many more scenes like we did Leafpool and Squirrelflight, can you imagine how much more connected ThunderClan would seem? It doesn't even sound as if half of them are even friends. That is so true! Lol, I kept forgetting if Lionblaze was still alive in AVOS, I actually had to go and check the allegiances to see if he was still there. I still can't get over the fact that when Shrewpaw died, Whitewing was the one who sat vigil for him, and there was no response from his own littermate.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 17, 2019 18:33:35 GMT -5
I think they're getting better about it? I see a lot more focus on family relationships in some of the newer books. The Fernsong/Ivypool family is seen to be very close, and we got a good shot of Firestar/Sandstorm family in SqH. On top of that, Dustpelt/Ferncloud family is close, as is Cloudtail/Brightheart and Birchfall/Whitewing. I know, I love it, except when Snowbush died, Cloudtail, Brightheart, and Snowbush's littermates were no where to be seen, and only Lilyheart showed any signs of grief, which was really sad. That annoyed me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 18:36:36 GMT -5
I know, I love it, except when Snowbush died, Cloudtail, Brightheart, and Snowbush's littermates were no where to be seen, and only Lilyheart showed any signs of grief, which was really sad. That annoyed me. Me too Also, when Spiderleg NEVER mentioned his dead littermate, Whitewing held vigil for him. Brackenfur also didn't have much reaction when Cinderpelt died, but his case is a little more understandable, because his kits were being born like, right at that moment
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 17, 2019 19:03:01 GMT -5
Me too Also, when Spiderleg NEVER mentioned his dead littermate, Whitewing held vigil for him. Brackenfur also didn't have much reaction when Cinderpelt died, but his case is a little more understandable, because his kits were being born like, right at that moment Yeah with Spiderleg annoyed me also. Brackenfur it made sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 19:10:22 GMT -5
Me too Also, when Spiderleg NEVER mentioned his dead littermate, Whitewing held vigil for him. Brackenfur also didn't have much reaction when Cinderpelt died, but his case is a little more understandable, because his kits were being born like, right at that moment Yeah with Spiderleg annoyed me also. Brackenfur it made sense. Didn't he also show like no concerns for Icecloud when she fell down the hole? At least Foxleap was tried to jump in after her. Foxleap was too pure for this series, it's a shame he got killed off so fast. I really liked Icecloud too, these two siblings, you could tell they were littermates, like, Foxleap wanting to jump in after Icecloud, and Icecloud getting mad at Lionblaze for being mean to Foxleap.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 18, 2019 8:34:44 GMT -5
Yeah with Spiderleg annoyed me also. Brackenfur it made sense. Didn't he also show like no concerns for Icecloud when she fell down the hole? At least Foxleap was tried to jump in after her. Foxleap was too pure for this series, it's a shame he got killed off so fast. I really liked Icecloud too, these two siblings, you could tell they were littermates, like, Foxleap wanting to jump in after Icecloud, and Icecloud getting mad at Lionblaze for being mean to Foxleap. Agreed. We need more stuff like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 9:13:19 GMT -5
Didn't he also show like no concerns for Icecloud when she fell down the hole? At least Foxleap was tried to jump in after her. Foxleap was too pure for this series, it's a shame he got killed off so fast. I really liked Icecloud too, these two siblings, you could tell they were littermates, like, Foxleap wanting to jump in after Icecloud, and Icecloud getting mad at Lionblaze for being mean to Foxleap. Agreed. We need more stuff like that. I know I loved how in Dawn of the Clans, Gray Wing was constantly calling I forgot his name his brother, and Jagged Peak his little brother, I thought it was adorable
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Post by Brindlefern on Sept 18, 2019 10:45:59 GMT -5
Agreed. We need more stuff like that. I know :) I loved how in Dawn of the Clans, Gray Wing was constantly calling I forgot his name his brother, and Jagged Peak his little brother, I thought it was adorable His brother is Clear Sky
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 10:54:22 GMT -5
I know I loved how in Dawn of the Clans, Gray Wing was constantly calling I forgot his name his brother, and Jagged Peak his little brother, I thought it was adorable His brother is Clear Sky Thank you I don't know why I completely blanked out on his name, especially since he's kind of a big deal
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