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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 4, 2019 18:36:17 GMT -5
Because everyone focuses on solely what Squirrelflight has done wrong to Brambleclaw when Brambleclaw's little secret is far more treasonous and could have more drastic consequences than hers if he simply gave in to that urge, which by the way was deflected by Brambleclaw passively saying that Firestar was still needed. Protecting yourself because you would be considered a traitor for good reasons < Protecting your sister with the manipulation and lies from holy dead ancestors and trying to ensure that kits that technically shouldn't have been born due to the code have a normal life and save the Clans because of StarClan's urgency for Squirrelflight to take them on. Squirrelflight lied for the better of things, Brambleclaw lied because he's a coward. Who is this nebulous "everyone" you refer to? I certainly don't like Brambleclaw, I think he should never have been leader and he's awful at being leader. I think he's worse than Squirrelflight too, but that hardly matters. I'm discussing Squirrelflight, not Brambleclaw. None of what Brambleclaw did affected Squirrelflight's own horrible decisions. Try to understand that there's room to say that both are bad and that such a statement does not name them as equally bad either. He's toxic because he lied to her, correct? Interesting how you defend Squirrelflight's lies in the very same breath. Why can't both of them lying be bad? What kind of a strawman is this? No one in the thread mentioned Brambleclaw being excused, just that Squirrelflight did bad things. You think he's worse yet hound on Squirrelflight for a lie that was overall for the better and literally took Brambleclaw an arc and a super edition to understand why she did what she did. You're refusing to really address my arguments to a statement you made bringing in Brambleclaw and instead are coming off in a common condescending matter when you attempted to do the same debate tactics that doesn't hold much water compared to mine because your tactics used incomparable situations that make no sense to this argument while my argument is based on valid interpretations on the material I'm attempting to discuss with you. You also try to invalidate my arguments by trying to center the argument solely on the thread instead of broadening the subject to a very common opinion, especially ones I've seen in various servers on discord. With that, Imma go because I've brought up repeated points and brought up new information and possibilities and I'm just dumbfounded with the attempts to derail the conversation with serial killers being hit and Thrushpelt comparisons that don't apply.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 4, 2019 18:48:11 GMT -5
Who is this nebulous "everyone" you refer to? I certainly don't like Brambleclaw, I think he should never have been leader and he's awful at being leader. I think he's worse than Squirrelflight too, but that hardly matters. I'm discussing Squirrelflight, not Brambleclaw. None of what Brambleclaw did affected Squirrelflight's own horrible decisions. Try to understand that there's room to say that both are bad and that such a statement does not name them as equally bad either. He's toxic because he lied to her, correct? Interesting how you defend Squirrelflight's lies in the very same breath. Why can't both of them lying be bad? What kind of a strawman is this? No one in the thread mentioned Brambleclaw being excused, just that Squirrelflight did bad things. You think he's worse yet hound on Squirrelflight for a lie that was overall for the better and literally took Brambleclaw an arc and a super edition to understand why she did what she did. You're refusing to really address my arguments to a statement you made bringing in Brambleclaw and instead are coming off in a common condescending matter when you attempted to do the same debate tactics that doesn't hold much water compared to mine because your tactics used incomparable situations that make no sense to this argument while my argument is based on valid interpretations on the material I'm attempting to discuss with you. You also try to invalidate my arguments by trying to center the argument solely on the thread instead of broadening the subject to a very common opinion, especially ones I've seen in various servers on discord. With that, Imma go because I've brought up repeated points and brought up new information and possibilities and I'm just dumbfounded with the attempts to derail the conversation with serial killers being hit and Thrushpelt comparisons that don't apply. This isn't a thread about Brambleclaw and I would hound on him in his own thread if there was one. This is one focused on Squirrelflight, ergo, I focus on her issues and not Brambleclaw's. None of your arguments are saying anything besides Brambleclaw being bad, a position that I already agree with. What I fundamentally disagree with is the idea that Brambleclaw being worse somehow means that it's impossible to rag on Squirrelflight, which you haven't countered in any way besides saying things that are plainly incorrect like Brambleclaw being excused(he was not mentioned in any positive light in the thread). The more common opinion favors Squirrelflight by far. Every other person loves Squirrelflight, but I can barely think of fans Brambleclaw has, and even then they almost universally agree that what he does was worse than Squirrelflight. The simple truth is that the world is wide enough to dislike both of them.
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