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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 17:10:17 GMT -5
Okay, so it's pretty much a given that Ashfur is the voice, but why is he going after all these cats, including his own foster brother? I thought his beef was with Squirrelflight, and only Squirrelflight.
If there's one cat I can see being ticked off at the code-breakers, it's Mudclaw, apparently him losing his position was breaking the code, I'm not sure how it broke the code, but it did. Anyway, after the whole drama with Onestar and Darktail, and all that, I can see him getting a bit miffed that his position was given to someone like that.
I know it's not Mudclaw, and it's probably not anyone else except Ashfur.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 8, 2019 18:49:05 GMT -5
It's Ashfur, or at least someone associated with him. As for why he's attacking anyone else at all (if it is him), easy: it's a cover. His main target is Squirrelflight, but he's going after other cats seemingly at random so it doesn't seem too suspicious.
As for Cloudtail, I doubt he cares about them being foster brothers. They didn't even seem to be that close after they became warriors, anyway. As for Mudclaw being involved, that's highly unlikely as well since there's really no evidence to support it unlike with Ashfur (the dream with the fire and ash, how the cat seems to know Squirrelflight personally, etc...)
On that note, this better not turn into a case of "subverting expectations" and the Erin Team getting "clever" and just choosing some other cat completely at random without any evidence to support it. I'm fine with Ashfur somehow being a red herring, but there better be implications that it is indeed another cat doing this as well, otherwise it'll just look out of the blue.
The only thing I don't get is how he (or any other StarClan cat for that matter) is able to do this if he's in StarClan if they're apparently not able to communicate with the living at all, unless he's actually not there by the time he talks to Shadowpaw and/or he's not working alone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 18:55:47 GMT -5
It's Ashfur, or at least someone associated with him. As for why he's attacking anyone else at all (if it is him), easy: it's a cover. His main target is Squirrelflight, but he's going after other cats seemingly at random so it doesn't seem too suspicious. As for Cloudtail, I doubt he cares about them being foster brothers. They didn't even seem to be that close after they became warriors, anyway. As for Mudclaw being involved, that's highly unlikely as well since there's really no evidence to support it unlike with Ashfur (the dream with the fire and ash, how the cat seems to know Squirrelflight personally, etc...) On that note, this better not turn into a case of "subverting expectations" and the Erin Team getting "clever" and just choosing some other cat completely at random without any evidence to support it. I'm fine with Ashfur somehow being a red herring, but there better be implications that it is indeed another cat doing this as well, otherwise it'll just look out of the blue. The only thing I don't get is how he (or other StarClan cat for that matter) is able to do this if he's in StarClan if they're apparently not able to communicate with the living at all, unless he's actually not there by the time he talks to Shadowpaw and/or he's not working alone. Ohh, I didn't think about the other cats being a cover! It's like a person who will like vandalize their own car, or something, to throw the scent off of themselves, when other cars in the neighborhood are being vandalized, or something like that. Yeah, it's weird, it'd be like he has more power or something than all the other StarClan cats
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Post by mymerlincat on Aug 8, 2019 19:02:06 GMT -5
Because he’s insane. Not capable of using logic to make decisions.
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Aug 8, 2019 19:16:28 GMT -5
Maybe it is Scourge and not Ashfur. Scourge never got to Starclan or the Dark Forest so be is a shadow wandering the world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 19:25:01 GMT -5
Maybe it is Scourge and not Ashfur. Scourge never got to Starclan or the Dark Forest so be is a shadow wandering the world. Would Scourge even know about code-breakers and all that stuff?
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Post by UnsightlyHeretic831 on Aug 8, 2019 19:32:45 GMT -5
I also agree that it might be Scourge. He's been trapped up between StarClan and The Dark Forest, and I bet there is nothing to do up there. The best thing he can do is watch the clan cats, right? I'm guessing he wants to get some revenge on ThunderClan. All that's in his power is to speak to the cats, but not being able to make himself visible. So, since he's a piece of crap, he's gonna manipulate all these cats because he wants to and get revenge for Firestar sending him to this place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 20:22:23 GMT -5
I also agree that it might be Scourge. He's been trapped up between StarClan and The Dark Forest, and I bet there is nothing to do up there. The best thing he can do is watch the clan cats, right? I'm guessing he wants to get some revenge on ThunderClan. All that's in his power is to speak to the cats, but not being able to make himself visible. So, since he's a piece of crap, he's gonna manipulate all these cats because he wants to and get revenge for Firestar sending him to this place. Or could also be Sol, the master manipulator (if he's dead), or Darktail, who recently died, and it could still be fresh in his mind. They would both be in the in between
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Post by UnsightlyHeretic831 on Aug 8, 2019 20:49:31 GMT -5
Maybe it's all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 20:52:57 GMT -5
It's all the kittypets coming back for revenge, for all the clans talking so bad about them, it's like Revenge of the Nerds, but Revenge of the Kittypets
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Post by UnsightlyHeretic831 on Aug 8, 2019 20:53:46 GMT -5
Aww yes, that would be good but I don't think kittypets are that evil
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 20:58:09 GMT -5
Aww yes, that would be good but I don't think kittypets are that evil What about Smoke and Darktail?
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Post by alphayamergo on Aug 8, 2019 21:48:56 GMT -5
Look, in Warriors, every plot twist is either foreshadowed to death (eg most parentage plot twists, Ashfur's murderer) or comes completely out of left field (eg BloodClan, Darktail's parentage), so it's going to be Ashfur or it'll be someone none of us have thought of. I don't think we necessarily need to take the Code into account when guessing the suspect, because they could easily be using it as a cover for their real motivation.
For the "out of left field" possibility, I nominate Whitestorm. I have no reason to suspect him, therefore he's a suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 21:50:55 GMT -5
Look, in Warriors, every plot twist is either foreshadowed to death (eg most parentage plot twists, Ashfur's murderer) or comes completely out of left field (eg BloodClan, Darktail's parentage), so it's going to be Ashfur or it'll be someone none of us have thought of. I don't think we necessarily need to take the Code into account when guessing the suspect, because they could easily be using it as a cover for their real motivation. For the "out of left field" possibility, I nominate Whitestorm. I have no reason to suspect him, therefore he's a suspect. I'd love that
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 8, 2019 22:00:08 GMT -5
Look, in Warriors, every plot twist is either foreshadowed to death (eg most parentage plot twists, Ashfur's murderer) or comes completely out of left field (eg BloodClan, Darktail's parentage), so it's going to be Ashfur or it'll be someone none of us have thought of. I don't think we necessarily need to take the Code into account when guessing the suspect, because they could easily be using it as a cover for their real motivation. For the "out of left field" possibility, I nominate Whitestorm. I have no reason to suspect him, therefore he's a suspect. God, it better not be someone completely random. I wouldn't be surprised, but I can still hope. But if it is random, watch it be a cat we've either never heard of before or someone who hasn't appeared in the series since their death. I seriously wouldn't put it past them to do something like this. Maybe Ferncloud is somehow in on this plot too, getting revenge for not being appreciated enough.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 9, 2019 2:03:40 GMT -5
I mentioned this on a thread a couple months ago, but I really want it to be an ancient StarClan warrior, from like Mapleshade's time. Someone who got fed up with Bluestar&Co taking charge of StarClan and just decided to do a purge of all the codebreakers, perhaps even including Bluestar&Co themselves (they are codebreakers, after all). Perhaps once this cat took care of their opposition in StarClan, they recruited Ashfur to help them manipulate the living. He doesn't strike me as someone who's very good at putting his own plans into action, so maybe he's just playing pawn for someone much older and more sinister. It being someone we've never heard of before wouldn't really bother me too much, as long as it's not like a kittypet or rogue with only semi-relation to the Clans (hello Scourge, Darktail). And in a way, it would be foreshadowed, perhaps the longest foreshadowing of them all: Since the first series, we've heard "StarClan will be angry if you break the code" but then whenever we see StarClan warriors, they're not angry at all and usually actively encouraging the behavior. Perhaps old StarClan is angry and finally got fed up. Ideally, it'd be a couple cats of each Clan from Mapleshade's time or just after, all pureblooded and "noble" warriors. This is what I want. This is in no way what I think it will be. I think it will be Ashfur trying to get revenge on Squirrelflight and all cats involved in half-Clan relationships (being either the perps or the products of one). Since this is about Lost Stars theories, I'll also point out that the ending, I didn't see it as Bramblestar's entire spirit. I honestly thought the snow killed one of his lives, and then because of magic healing the sickness was gone (when leaders lose lives they heal the injury that caused the death). Then Bramblestar still had X amount of lives left, and the imposter can only influence him minorly, since he's only in the space of one life. The spirit that Rootpaw sees; well, since StarClan is cut off from the Clans right now, how would Bramble's life get to StarClan? Firestar's lives in Fading Echoes were said to be shades, with more vivid colors meaning more lives. One of Bramble's "shades" is wandering the earth, unable to get to StarClan, but the rest are still in his body, fighting the imposter.
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Post by UnsightlyHeretic831 on Aug 9, 2019 9:38:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Darktail a kittypet
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 10, 2019 12:13:15 GMT -5
Since this is about Lost Stars theories, I'll also point out that the ending, I didn't see it as Bramblestar's entire spirit. I honestly thought the snow killed one of his lives, and then because of magic healing the sickness was gone (when leaders lose lives they heal the injury that caused the death). Then Bramblestar still had X amount of lives left, and the imposter can only influence him minorly, since he's only in the space of one life. The spirit that Rootpaw sees; well, since StarClan is cut off from the Clans right now, how would Bramble's life get to StarClan? Firestar's lives in Fading Echoes were said to be shades, with more vivid colors meaning more lives. One of Bramble's "shades" is wandering the earth, unable to get to StarClan, but the rest are still in his body, fighting the imposter. That would be interesting!
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