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Post by 𝒯𝓌𝒾𝓈𝓉𝑒𝒹𝒽𝑒𝒶𝓇𝓉 † on Jun 16, 2019 3:07:30 GMT -5
Hey guys, I know some of us lately have been seeing on the News and Announcements Board and that our beloved site is dying quickly. It broke my heart seeing that and reading the comments on that thread. I've been on the forums since the opening of the original one in '09 when I was 9 years old, and well until now and I'm in college now. The forums have become a sort of home away from home. I've met SO many lovely people who I have been lucky enough to roleplay with and become friends with. I'm not active as much now, and I poof a lot, but I was just wondering is there anyway that anyone knows of how we could possibly boost the forums back up? Get some new rpers/ active people. I hate to admit it but it is so hard to find people to roleplay on this forum anymore because there is just so little amount of active people. myself included. But, I guess what I am saying is, guys lets come together to try and boost back up the forums, whether that be by being more active, or by lowkey advertising it on other forum sites.
{ Sorry if this isn't allowed/isn't posted in the right spot mods ♡ }
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 8, 2019 17:31:24 GMT -5
I think that's a good idea to have maybe a plotting thread or something. Maybe if we possibly scheduled some user run activities of some sort to boost the activity of the users here?
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Post by 𝚌𝚑𝚒𝚖𝚎𝚛𝚊 on Jul 9, 2019 7:24:53 GMT -5
Along those sorts of lines, sort of user run official forum-wide competition could be really cool? Kind of like the Tournament thing they had back on the old forums once, where everyone choose to be part of Team Warriors or Team Seekers and competed in a bunch of rounds to see which team was the winner. We could do something like that again here - there could be rounds based on creating fanart, comics, fanfiction and all of that sort of stuff, and then maybe more general rounds that you could enter without being skilled in that sort of thing, like Warriors trivia maybe?
I don’t think the teams should be based on Warriors vs Seekers (vs Survivors vs Bravelands) again - Warriors won by a landslide last time just because it had so many more people, and if anything the Seekers/Survivors fanbases on here are smaller than they were on the old forums, proportionally to Warriors. We could do Thunderclan vs Riverclan vs Shadowclan vs Windclan, which would hopefully be more balanced. Or we could create our own teams, sort of like Hogwarts houses or Pokemon Go teams? There could even be little icons you could put in your profile to show your allegiance. The winning team could all get forum money, and users could maybe contribute prizes to give to the forumers who contributed most to their teams? Stuff like artists promising to do a commission or a writer promising you a one-shot.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 9, 2019 14:31:32 GMT -5
That sounds like a really good idea! I can see that going on! Being both an artist and an author I can contribute as well. There could also be some sort of other trivia of some sort since I know a lot of our user base is in OTD. Maybe some forum trivia, just to keep it forum centered instead of going off into other fandoms. Sorting into teams based on clan sounds really cool. If it's user run, how would that go about? I'm sure I know a couple people who might be willing to help out. Perhaps the teams are sorted out and then there's a topic which hosts the trivia of some sort, like the event winners were done. Also, I know that puzzles had marginal success before. Like 'find the hidden object'. Where there's a topic in some board that holds a secret, and then users have to find it to receive some reward.
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Post by 𝚌𝚑𝚒𝚖𝚎𝚛𝚊 on Jul 9, 2019 19:14:35 GMT -5
Yeah, forum trivia sounds like a good idea!
One way would just be for people to choose themselves? If we could get mod permission and someone who knows their way around coding, we could get an option to choose when you edit your profile, with an accompanying little icon that displays in your mini-profile. Otherwise, we could just post the icons on whatever thread we’d announce the competition on, and people could declare their team themselves by putting an icon from one of the clans in their signature. (I’d be happy to make the icons! I’m already getting ideas for what they could look like, and little pixel icons shouldn’t take too long to do) We could also have some sort of randomised allocation, but that’d require potentially hundreds of allocations done by hand or the coding of some sort of randomiser to sort them, and considering that the teams should be even enough without that, I think it’d be more efficient to let people pick themselves? Plus people would be more inclined to be loyal to/contribute to a team they chose. And yeah, we could have a thread hosting each round. Maybe one posted every one or two weeks? Although all the art/writing/comic/etc rounds could be all posted at the start of the Tournament, to give everyone time to get their submissions done.
Yeah, a treasure hunt puzzle could be a round too! We could have riddles and stuff to lead people to the secrets - maybe each riddle could lead to another hidden riddle until you finally got to the prize? And it’d be awesome if we could do something roleplay related too, since so much of the forum’s activity is roleplay, and is it the Warrior Cats Roleplay Forums after all. Maybe some sort of create-a-clan competition, for Fan Clans Roleplay? I’m at a loss for what do for Off Topic Roleplay though.
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Post by Sand on Jul 9, 2019 22:54:39 GMT -5
Going to read through this thread since I just noticed it. Sorry for not seeing it sooner!
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 9, 2019 23:47:40 GMT -5
Yeah! Little icons sound great! Whether there's an option for a code or not for profiles, I think an icon would be really cool just as an extra. Like a way to show a bit of pride or friendly rivalry. And having them in signatures shouldn't be that hard to do either. You're right I think about picking yourself. From what I've seen of my friend groups the allocation would probably be even without a stagger. I know from a bit of experience that people like the different clans. Myself? I might like a different one on a different day, but usually default ThunderClan. A friend of mine does River and another Shadow and so forth. It would probably be an even split. Yep, yep! That sounds like a good plan. If it gets big enough, then there could be specific clan face offs. (Like alternating clans per week or two hosted at the same time.) But that's jumping the gun a bit about size. For the sorts of competitions, I see trivia being a big thing. A combination of Warrior perhaps as well as the forums themselves. Maybe some questions that don't usually get asked about the forums, some obscurer Warriors' trivia, but also some fairly easy Warriors for the older fans who might be falling a bit behind or favor the older or bolder series. Other than trivia, is there anything else that might be incorporated? You mentioned art and fan fictions and so forth? Only thing I can think of for those is maybe having some board exclusive clan face-offs that might be sort of like 'mini' clan battles or something? Like in the Art Forum there be a Clan vs. Clan art contest or in the WFF a large writing sprint/word war between clans - whichever clan produces the most words at the end wins the round. Actually ... this is starting to sound like a fun plan. I can at least confirm that the WFF would be interested in something like that. Warriors General would love the trivia or truly any sort of debate, I know they like to do that. I wonder if there's a way to make that some sort of activity to get them talking more ... Warriors Fan Clans ... I'm stuck on that one. But I can see some mini clans popping up if there was something like everyone picking a clan to be 'sorted' into. XD I'll come back to that. I was just throwing out any idea I could think of. I'm not even saying the board exclusive contests would do much or be a good idea, but it's a fun brainstorming thing.
I'm trying to remember what puzzles usually did, but what I'm currently thinking for OTRP is the choose-your-own-adventure style of thing? Finding some way to make that into a puzzle game of some sort? Maybe if it involved specific RPs? Like ... okay, this might take a bit of other users getting in on it, but what if the RPs got together and created a sort of mini-page attached to their main RPs? I'll use a handful of examples. The Paradox House (long running crossover RP featuring a House of many random rooms), that Marvel RP that's pretty large (in the MCU after Infinity War happened and everyone is taking care of the after effects), Hybrid (is that still running? it's an RP where hybrids of animals are basically trying to live a normal life last I checked), and whatever current Camp Half Blood RP is up and running. Say all of those got under this idea. They'd all make a mini-thread individually. Then the regulars of those RPs would have a side situation where new members would come through and RP their characters finding whatever clues were placed. This actually wouldn't be that hard to incorporate into the existing theme of said RPs. The Paradox House would just have it be one of those random rooms, the MCU one would have it as anything from another planet to some side pocket of mutent city or really just any location these characters would pass through, Hybrid would have it be either the labs the Hybrids came from or something in the normal understanding of their world, and Camp Half Blood would just have it as some side quest. Each RP given a small piece of the puzzle. As new RPs enter that ring, then the riddle is finally revealed. When the riddle is solved and the RP characters return to the main thread after finding all these clues in the other RPs, then they turn the answer in for a prize. From there, a new riddle is handed out to the RPs. Rinse and repeat. This would 1) encourage new RPs to form to get in on the puzzle, 2) boost activity in the existing RPs, and 3) encourage new people to join those pre-existing RPs to get on the fun they just got a taste of. It's an idea at any rate, and I hope it makes sense. The same could apply to Fan Clans.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 9, 2019 23:48:17 GMT -5
You're all good Sand! We're just brain storming right now!
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Post by Sand on Jul 10, 2019 0:00:43 GMT -5
I do like these ideas, but there might be an issue (or multiple) when it comes to the coding and PB sides of things. @roswell and Felix know more than I will ever know about this platform, so that part is definitely up to them. PB is also going through some changes as they want to roll out v6 in 2050 some time, but there's also limitations when it comes to this platform. Again, I don't know much if anything about how PB's coding works. I'm also the least creative person around. I just moderate and move on.Speaking of teams, I think it would be interesting to break it up into the four (or even five) original clans, but this would depend on how many users we have participating. To make it on a smaller board (can't find the word for what I want to explain here), it could be broken up by boards. For example, the boards would be: Warriors, General Discussions, and Creative Corner. Or there could be a vote for what clans (teams) make it to the forum-wide competition. Obviously there would need to be an equal amount of members to a team. As for people "showing off" their team, it would work in signatures or maybe in the mini profile-- this, of course, is not something I know enough about. I did do a trivia contest a year or two ago, if I remember correctly? It wasn't the best, but it wasn't that good either. However, having like puzzles and whatnot would be really cool-- but this, again, depends on Roswell and Felix's opinions and what can be done with PB. In theory, if this is possible, I would probably start the art/writing/comics/etc. submissions & announcement before the other announcements (not including the team selection). Art related submissions need more time in my opinion.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 10, 2019 1:42:30 GMT -5
I hear you on the coding side of things. Coding of some sort would certainly make it easier and probably more user friendly, but worst comes to worst it would still be possible to run it all via a topic and/or possibly a Google Document (though the latter isn't even necessary, it just might be easier for recording who is on what team). If things like coding can be implemented to smooth the edges (of course that being Roswell and Felix's field that's all up to their knowledge) then that's a really good bonus. As for the teams, I like the idea of voting in which teams would and would not make it considering current size of the interest in it. With the possibility that things might get larger, more teams which didn't get voted in could be added and there should of course be some fluidity between teams in case someone decides that ShadowClan really wasn't for them and that they aren't stuck there and unhappy. In which case, if the voted in teams get too large and a new team is added, it can be filled out by anyone who wanted to be in that team (or clan) originally which would open up space in the original team (clan) for new blood. If that was what you were getting at. I might have missed the whole point due to the word you couldn't think of. XD Splitting things up where the boards are the teams (the other interpretation I had of that paragraph???) would also probably be a good idea because each board contains a very active subboard which could help carry the team. So I don't see how that would be a problem either, other than perhaps losing the cool team names purposes. Once again, a coding thing, but there's options for things like 'other website' and 'birthday' and 'location' and such on the user profile, so a team could possibly be displayed there. I couldn't doctor a screenshot to save my life, or I'd show a better idea for what I was thinking, but putting something else here: PB updating is/would probably going to toss that idea out of the water, but still brain storming and a lot of that involves a lot of clouds but nothing coming of them. XD Asking user opinions about what they might like to see from trivia could always be possible. Or there could be other things as supplements to the trivia so it isn't just that. Other small games or interesting activities. Hence the puzzle suggestion, which I'm interested to see feedback on from anyone interested. You are very correct. Creative anything takes time, he heh. *awkwardly eyes the pile of writing I need to do*
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Post by 𝚌𝚑𝚒𝚖𝚎𝚛𝚊 on Jul 10, 2019 5:50:21 GMT -5
I’m not going to pretend to know anything about coding! But voting which teams would make it in or having different teams for each board could be a good idea. We could maybe run a poll beforehand about how many people would participate, maybe asking them to say what team they’d choose too, to get an idea of how big the teams would be and whether we’d need to have fewer teams or have all 4 or 5.
And yeah, having other rounds that don’t require creative skill but aren’t just trivia would be good. The roleplay/choose your own adventure thing would be really fun! A puzzle/treasure hunt thing could be run another way too - there could be a riddle that lead you to someone’s old post edited to contain another riddle, which lead you to a different edited post with another riddle, and so on until you reach one with a message saying ‘hey, you found it!’. It wouldn’t have to involve anything at all in the way of coding, although potentially some sort of coded link at the end you could click that would affirm that you actually found it or count the first 20 people to find it or something would be great, but I’m not even sure if that’s possible on Proboards? Again, not exactly my area of expertise! Anyway, both of the different puzzle types, the roleplay one and the thread search one, could potentially be held as seperate rounds.
Maybe also some kind of debate round for Warriors General? It could be held kind of like a formal debate, with each team having a day or so to pose their argument and rebuttals, maybe with a couple of days planning time after the debate topic was announced? Going off that line of thought, there could also be a character essay competition, maybe limited to the characters in your team clan to keep everything a little more themed.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 10, 2019 13:16:12 GMT -5
Agreed! Getting feedback would be a good idea. ^^ I wonder if Forum Games has any ideas we could steal get inspiration from. Like, something which would be fun, but isn't so common that Forums Games would have, but also doesn't need you to be a Warriors/forum expert. The puzzle games are certainly one way. Currently my brain is fried after getting up and I can't think of another. Something short, sweet, and possibly doesn't need too much attention to be judged. I know that Turin not Torino had a face off using the different teams (football???) to face off and people had to guess which team (which were also assigned to a Warrior cat) would make it to the end. It was pretty fun. Maybe some sort of elimination round of ... something ... but based on something the users have to do to get their particular favorite to advance. I don't know, as I said, brain fried. XD The edited post type of puzzle I've seen done with some success! The pitfall I noticed with it was that it grew hard for players to find that post. And for players who randomly stumbled across it, it didn't make sense. There'd have to be a way to work out some of the bugs which make that way a little bit user unfriendly. Perhaps having more revealing hints on the main thread or the hints have to be on newer posts which might possibly have their own thread as well. Perhaps thread themed where they turn up (if each user refers someone else to another user, like say you posted a hint, which led to a hint I posted) then things like a piece of art created by you could have a key word in the thread title which basically told people this was part of the puzzle set and then in the piece of art there was the hidden clue, and under the art there'd be something like 'next hint is with mintedstar/fur, look for the fan fiction' which could then lead to a short story I'd written which was themed for the WFF or Off Topic Writing which held the next clue and so forth. But that's just an example. If it's a whole thread that's the hint, it can still make it tricky to find, but not so tricky that users will just drop out once they can't find the post which was edited after 15 minutes. Either that, or the main thread could release a hint to where one of the clues were every ... oh, twice a day or something? just to keep people from stagnating in their search. A debate actually sounds like a lot of fun! Enough so that me, not being into the general theme of Warriors General, would actually be interested in seeing where that went or participating. o.o That's not a bad idea. Character essay competition as well. They sound right up that areas' alley. Though getting feedback from a regular there might be a good idea, since I'm just speaking about what they like from experience. But playing into there love of discussion about the different series and characters would be ideal. Also, since they always get hyped about new book releases, maybe something which could increase that hype (perhaps some larger themed debate or something else along what they like) would be good. I'm still fairly convinced that a team against team word wars (where people try to produce more written words than another person, the most words produced is the winning person) for WFF and Off-Topic Writing would be a good start. Those usually work really well on writing websites. There are also things called Word Crawls (kind of like a choose-your-own-adventure, but it makes you write a different number of words, complete a prompt, and so forth after you make your choice), but those are usually for single user use only. Word sprints are roughly the same as word wars. But there could be a tier. Like 'most words written in a sprint is ______' and then there's a reward of some sort every time a user beats that cap. For a different line of thought, I know a couple thrown around ideas for other things to do was a newsletter. Something really short and sweet, but which could talk about latest forum happenings and maybe a promotion or two. Might be something else to consider.
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Post by Sand on Jul 10, 2019 15:45:41 GMT -5
Definitely not doing the debate thing with WG. There’s been countless issues with it, so I feel that a contest would make it worse.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 10, 2019 17:22:32 GMT -5
Gotcha. No debate. But maybe character themed essays? Or some other sort of character or clan related discussion which might suit that area?
I know that you can change around different things in settings, so maybe just having that be a way to change teams/add yourself to a team might be easier. I'm not sure. As for scores ... If there was a way to visually display a player's position in a team, then it might just be adding up how many people participated. But I think it might depend what sort of contests were implemented. For trivia, if groups were color-coded, then it might just be a matter of scrolling through a topic to see the different colors/symbols/other identifier. But that's just me trying to think of ways to keep track. I'm not too sure, but I'll think about it.
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Post by Sand on Jul 10, 2019 19:32:52 GMT -5
I like the idea of getting feedback first— that’s obviously the number 1 step here. If we don’t have feedback, it’s pointless to do this entire plan that’s sort of in the works.
I can’t answer anything based on finding the clues in like puzzle games and whatnot.
Turin’s was for March Madness, a college basketball tournament. It turned out fine, just not enough people who ended up participating in the end. We could always find an opportunity with a game in Forum Games and make it like a “main” game for this contest idea.
Word wars wouldn’t be too bad of an idea either. Obviously we need feedback and the same goes for the newsletter. It really depends on all of our users wants and needs.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 11, 2019 1:34:28 GMT -5
True, true. A lot of this - really all of it - is based on user attention and wants. I know that WFF is, for a large part, okay with me doing the whole summoning by mass ping, so I could get them over here for feedback about the world wars or something. The rest is about people looking at the ideas or showing interest in them. I can work on thinking up some more ideas otherwise, but it's about the user attention in the long run.
Also, having it be like a main game in Forum Games isn't a half bad idea. ^^ But that depends some on what the idea would be. There are a lot of games in Forum Games which are fun, but if it's a 'main' game then it would probably have to be just a bit more unusual than count to 1,000000.
I've run a newsletter before, successfully, within the forums. It's a lot of work, but possible. It's difficult for a single person to do, but can be done. The interest, however, is more on whether it would be helpful or interesting for users. In the case of the newsletter I ran, it was manageable as well as fairly large because it was one board specific. There were puzzles - in this case a word search and I think crossword puzzles if memory serves - fan art, reviews, and local board news. Something which can be created by a single person, but it very hard to do so. I had a planning page where different people could submit things to the newsletter, but otherwise filled out whatever else. However, it took a long time, and was only released bi-monthly. But it is possible. It's just if someone was interested - and the more users the better to smooth things over and make the newsletter more often then bi-monthly. *insert a tired thinking face*
My fried brain has yet to recover. My commute home was rough. Ah well.
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Post by Sand on Jul 11, 2019 18:09:33 GMT -5
I'll put a poll up today, I'm thinking just to see what the numbers of members would possibly be.
Yeah, that's true, I completely agree with you there!
Newsletters take a lot of time to put together and I definitely understand that from your explanation of exeperience and also my own. I did similar things in middle school and high school (it was like a school newspaper if I remember correctly?) and it took us quite some time to get things out. Nonetheless, it's a lot of had work and requires enoguh people to view it or participate in it.
I hope you feel better soon, Mint!
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 11, 2019 20:10:30 GMT -5
Well, the test is done, and that's the important thing. I lost at least 20 points, since it was confirmed I got the major question wrong. But I have enough extra credit to pad the loss. In that case ... freeeeeeeee time! So I'm feeling better, yes. ^^
Cool! I'll go hope over and vote if that's the case. ^^
I would be willing to pitch in with a newsletter of course, but I have no desire to do the whole bulk of it again. XD I'm willing to work hard on it, not into oblivion. But it's something at any rate. So if some other users wanted to pitch together than that would be cool. I know that there was a topic in OTW, but ... it's in OTW ... so not a lot of people go there. I'm not sure what the difference in interest level would be if it was proposed somewhere else with a pre-existing handful of people interested in putting it forward.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 15, 2019 12:41:07 GMT -5
I've been thinking about making a button which can go in signatures and things off-site to advertise this site. I mean, I'm not sure if anyone would use it, but I think I would. How I'm currently doing it looks a bit messy.
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Post by Sand on Jul 15, 2019 16:55:33 GMT -5
A logo button might be a nice idea.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 15, 2019 20:40:15 GMT -5
I'll try and work on one today. I'm trying to think of what the usual diameters of a signature usually is ...
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Post by Sand on Jul 16, 2019 17:57:38 GMT -5
Last I checked, the diameters were 500 x 250?
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 16, 2019 21:09:41 GMT -5
Cool thanks! I'll probably want to make it a bit smaller then, just so it's a bit more accommodating for other forums.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 18, 2019 15:18:09 GMT -5
Here's what I got: 250x250 100x100 50x50 (doesn't really work this small, truthfully) 250x250 100x100 50x50 i'm still playing around, but I tried to get different sizes so they can be supported on different platforms (and included the URL in the top one if there's a stingy character limit. )
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 18, 2019 15:21:08 GMT -5
This ends Mint's 'give me two seconds with paint.net and I'll make lazy graphics'. I can do better than this, but I wanted to show some results from my statements. ^^ Also, now I actually have something to put in my dA. I'm almost off school and I've been thinking up formatting for some things which were suggested up there. ^^^^ So I can get to putting it down on paper soon.
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Post by Sand on Jul 18, 2019 15:31:34 GMT -5
I might take a shot at it if I have time today or at least in the coming days. But I agree 50x50 is too tiny to see, let alone read. 100x100 looks decent to me.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Jul 18, 2019 15:54:34 GMT -5
Cool!
Yeah, 100x100 seems pretty classic. I also know that's the width/height of several places I'm on.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Aug 2, 2019 12:55:55 GMT -5
So, been thinking about activities. In the fact that a lot of them can be user run. Art contests, word sprints or word wars and etc, that puzzle game (though a more in-depth one might be helpful with other resources), and so forth. I miss the larger poll games, where there was a story you could make out of them. I wonder if there's still a way to do those with the one poll limit. I'd be interested in trying, since those were pretty popular. I think they usually went in Misc.
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Post by mintedstar/fur on Aug 7, 2019 17:37:00 GMT -5
You mentioned something about pulling up a poll, Sand. Just checking up on that? ^^
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Post by Sand on Aug 7, 2019 17:41:33 GMT -5
Shiiiiit. I’ll quickly put a reminder on my phone and do it within an hour or two.
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