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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Mar 31, 2019 15:39:46 GMT -5
Personally I vote no. I liked them when they were in their own territory and did their own thing- in fact if they wanted to they could've had a second clan form out of SkyClan or in response to SkyClan, because I think it'd be cool to see how that would play out with the almighty ancestors who rule them all. I don't like them at the lake- though I guess you could say that the reason the lake territories are so big is because they intended for them to move there (though a more true statement would be that they expanded the lake territories once they decided to move them there). For one five is an odd number and I don't like odd numbers.
Also we grew up with four clans and StarClan saying that the clans can't be whole without SkyClan was a load of crap considering they were doing just fine without knowing they existed for years (decades maybe?) and even after Firestar rebuilt them, the clans didn't seem to be missing anything. And they haven't really contributed anything worth while to the clans now that they're here.
And I'm just gonna say it- the mediator position is a little...trite. Between the clan leader, deputy and medicine cat do you really need one? Now if they were supposed to work with the other clans to settle issues between them (a good place to introduce this would be after the Dark Forest battle when they were deciding what to do with the trainees and they each elected one cat from each clan who they thought would be able to work together to make a decision) then maybe, maybe I could see it...but again clan leader, deputy and medicine cat should be able to cover that. At the most it should be a side gig, not a full time position. I mean as clan leader if you and your deputy can't settle disputes between your warriors, are you really in charge?
If I were a clan leader I absolutely wouldn't have given up my territory for them. But again they do have a seemingly endless expanse of territory (able to support clan sizes twice that from the old forest) and they each have a border that isn't shared with any clans if they really needed to expand.
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Post by kinkajou on Mar 31, 2019 15:54:38 GMT -5
They should be allowed but they shouldn't have come in the first place
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 31, 2019 16:42:04 GMT -5
I agree that they should have stayed in the gorge...I already don't like their mere existence, so just get them away from the other clans again please lol
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Post by sylveon on Mar 31, 2019 16:44:00 GMT -5
they have a right to be at the lake, but I am just not the biggest fan of how they got there. I like having them around because they're one of my favorite Clans, and we get to see more Leafstar, but I do think that their home in the gorge was ideal. I personally really enjoyed their gorge territory and the way they were friendlier to outsiders than the other Clans. And I do love the idea of another Clan forming in response to them, inspired but not quite wanting to live in SkyClan.
Either way, i have no real complaints about them going to the lake. It's fine, I guess, but if they had stayed at the gorge I wouldn't have cared either.
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Post by Owl on Mar 31, 2019 16:49:26 GMT -5
it was 10 year old's me dream to have skyclan reunite with the other four, so, if i'm being honest, i don't really have a problem with it
i often see skyclan being called "another thunderclan", and i've always kind of found the connection between the two clans fascinating. especially considering thunderclan (thunder) was, in a way, born from skyclan (clear sky). even in the old forest the two of them lived in very close quarters, and thunderclan probably held the biggest role in skyclan leaving the forest. i'd like it if the broken code touched on their recurring connection, somehow
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 31, 2019 17:27:04 GMT -5
On one hand, I find it interesting that SkyClan's at the lake now. I also liked when they were at the gorge. So I guess it doesn't matter to me if they stayed at the lake or not.
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Post by Tas on Mar 31, 2019 17:45:08 GMT -5
They were never healthy at the gorge. Literally every time we saw them they were about to be extinct again. Clans need other Clans to survive, that's been the entire premise of the entire Warriors series. No Clan deserves to be alone, no matter how long they've been like that.
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Post by Mayflower on Mar 31, 2019 18:00:26 GMT -5
Ever since SkC was introduced, I'd hoped that they'd one day reunite with the other Clans haha. I thought that was how FiQ would end, and I was a bit bummed that they stayed in the gorge -- especially since no living cats initially knew about them afterward except Sandstorm and Firestar -- but I accepted it. The Erins kept writing about them, though, so I read the SEs...and boy, do they suck at the gorge, but especially Leafstar's leadership skills. Now I enjoy her as a leader more as she interacts with her fellow leaders. She's grown a lot since the SkC SEs and learned from her mistakes, and I love that. She's badass and takes no crap, and makes it clear she has no time for petty shenanigans, including when the ShC cats joined her Clan and started trouble. Her conversations with the other cats are gold and she always seems to say what I'm thinking about their treatment of SkC and how they act so holier-than-thou. Like, she essentially called them selfish, self-centered, back-stabbing savages, which I thought was hilarious and pretty accurate when you compare them to SkC. I like that SkC is basically putting them back in their places. SkC isn't perfect, but they are a damn far cry more open and nonjudgmental than the other Clans, which is both good and bad (see: Sol, Darktail, etc.) At the same time, however, the other Clans being judge-y and closed off and defensive is good for SkC, since they need a little of that, imo. I couldn't help feeling they pretty much have no backbone when they're on their own. They always seemed to be right on the edge of ending up like the original SkC. The Clans also just feel more...complete now, I guess? So this is an aspect AVOS that I'm pretty happy with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 18:40:32 GMT -5
I liked SkyClan being a distant cousin of the four Clans, and I had thought that they'd probably stop by the four Clans at the lake or forest for a brief visit. While I don't mind SkyClan at the lake, I just see them more in the gorge.
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Post by stormfall on Mar 31, 2019 18:59:19 GMT -5
I think Skyclan deserves to be back with the other Clans, but I also think that leaving the gorge removes a lot of their personality. I agree that Skyclan seems like a watered down version of Thunderclan, they need to show that they are different from the other clans. At the same time, the Erins could have done a better job at coming up with a reason for Skyclan to come to the lake, like maybe the twolegs doing something to the gorge. If I was the leader of another clan I also wouldn't have given up land even if I have a vast expanse of it, Skyclan should have fought for their place against ShadowClan while Rowanstar was in power to carve out their own spot and start a new rivalry.
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Post by Sea Drops by a Bird on Mar 31, 2019 19:09:10 GMT -5
I never read any of the SkyClan super editions; it kind of sucks that they weren't able to really thrive on their own. I liked the idea that SkyClan were independent and what I would have really wanted was for the other clans to have to beg them to come because StarClan saying they needed to be reunited versus them basically not having a better option since they couldn't quite pull it off on their own. I really would have preferred a different sect of warriors to open up near the gorge, I think that would have been more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 19:25:49 GMT -5
I totally agree that SkyClan "always having been apart of the forest" was a load of fox-dung.
StarClan didn't even give the original Clans a real reason why SkyClan should stay with them, in AVoS. All they did was say, "Find SkyClan, and if they can't stay with you, we'll wreck your homes with this great big storm." I find it hard to believe StarClan would threaten the Clans like this, knowing what they had went through back in TNP, when the Twolegs destroyed their home and they had to find a new one. The point is, that prophecy had a lot of holes in it, and I can't blame the leaders for sitting around and doing nothing about it, for most of books #4 and #5.
So, no, I don't think they should have stayed at the lake; they were fine on their own in the gorge, especially with both the rats, along with Darktail and his rogues gone.
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