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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 23:27:43 GMT -5
these were on the website, i dont think anyone's made a thread about these yet? "I’ve got a horrible feeling that nothing we remember can prepare us for whatever is going on here."
-unknown about the clans future
"Hasn’t StarClan told us before? The Clans are strongest when we stand together. Our experience with Darktail taught us that."
-unknown about the clans
"You have no more sense than a kit before its eyes open. StarClan holds all the Clans together. If they desert us, we’re nothing but rogues."
-unknown about starclan
"The way of the warrior is not the only way, and you should be grateful for the chance to see that. There’s more to life than fighting and showing yourself off as a strong cat."
-unknown about being a warrior
wdyt? the last one worries me a bit, I think its someone pressuring Rootpaw to become a mediator, which would be... pretty annoying. My theory is that he's too aggressive (from what we've seen in the preview) and they want to give him a different role to cool him down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 23:35:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the last comment is from Needletail.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 29, 2019 23:36:13 GMT -5
I'm wondering if that last quote is from Tree. Considering how he is in the preview atm.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 29, 2019 23:37:15 GMT -5
I remember seeing these earlier, and I don't think I have much of an opinion on them, tbh.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 29, 2019 23:37:55 GMT -5
pretty dumb that they think they're not still warriors without starclan. they can still be warriors and true to their code without starclan :\
i thought it was the CODES that made them warriors, not starclan. starclan's not some group of actual gods who control anything, they're literally just dead people who lived in the past.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 29, 2019 23:52:20 GMT -5
pretty dumb that they think they're not still warriors without starclan. they can still be warriors and true to their code without starclan :\ i thought it was the CODES that made them warriors, not starclan. starclan's not some group of actual gods who control anything, they're literally just dead people who lived in the past. It's been like this since the first arc, though I suppose that doesn't make it any less annoying. To the Clans, destiny is everything and StarClan are all-powerful who have shown themselves to be very much real, so it's not really that surprising to me why they'd developed this dependency of sorts. That said, it seems to have gotten to the point where it looks like the cats can't do anything without StarClan's approval, so I do hope this mindset gets challenged in this arc in a significant way rather than just painting the challenger as being in the wrong.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 29, 2019 23:57:48 GMT -5
pretty dumb that they think they're not still warriors without starclan. they can still be warriors and true to their code without starclan :\ i thought it was the CODES that made them warriors, not starclan. starclan's not some group of actual gods who control anything, they're literally just dead people who lived in the past. It's been like this since the first arc, though I suppose that doesn't make it any less annoying. To the Clans, destiny is everything and StarClan are all-powerful who have shown themselves to be very much real, so it's not really that surprising to me why they'd developed this dependency of sorts. That said, it seems to have gotten to the point where it looks like the cats can't do anything without StarClan's approval, so I do hope this mindset gets challenged in this arc in a significant way rather than just painting the challenger as being in the wrong. i feel like the way starclan has changed over the years makes me think they aren't as "mystical" and "wise" as they used to be...? idk if that's just me. i can only hope that shadowpaw gets fed up with being told he's special and goes against starclan, causing something big to happen. that'd actually make me like him.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 30, 2019 0:07:25 GMT -5
It's been like this since the first arc, though I suppose that doesn't make it any less annoying. To the Clans, destiny is everything and StarClan are all-powerful who have shown themselves to be very much real, so it's not really that surprising to me why they'd developed this dependency of sorts. That said, it seems to have gotten to the point where it looks like the cats can't do anything without StarClan's approval, so I do hope this mindset gets challenged in this arc in a significant way rather than just painting the challenger as being in the wrong. i feel like the way starclan has changed over the years makes me think they aren't as "mystical" and "wise" as they used to be...? idk if that's just me. i can only hope that shadowpaw gets fed up with being told he's special and goes against starclan, causing something big to happen. that'd actually make me like him. It's not just you. That's kinda what I was trying to say, actually. StarClan has shown to be flawed (at times to the point of stupidity), yet most cats are loyal to them no matter what. This appears to get ridiculous as the series on, so I'm hoping that if StarClan is challenged (especially now, given the circumstances), it'll be by a cat who isn't portrayed in a negative light or conforms to the Clans' ways at the end.
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Post by Pyropelt on Mar 30, 2019 0:36:56 GMT -5
I wonder if the cat who said the third quote will have to eat their words or feel guilty later on, if the Clans figure out that they don't need to be so reliant on StarClan? And speaking of kits not having sense, I wonder if the parents will then start teaching their kits about how it's fine not to believe in StarClan? Since it's only Mothwing and Cloudtail who currently don't believe in StarClan, I wonder if more cats will start seeing things from their point of view.
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Post by lollycat on Mar 30, 2019 7:28:34 GMT -5
I have always believed that Starclan is like a parent. The parent always tries to guide the child in the right direction and that is all that Starclan has tried to do with the prophesies. The cats should use these as guides to what is coming and be prepared. Kits are helpless at birth and have no understanding of the world around them, they have to be taught right from wrong. The parents are the center of the kit(s) life. StarClan is the center of the cats belief system and when you remove that center there is a void. Just look what happens there is no belief system: Darktail happens, he becomes their guide. Tigerstar 1 happens and the mound of bones. The cats loose the respect for their clans mates and become selfish. They do not care about others or about themselves. Without Starclan there is no glue that hold the Clans together unless you want to use fear as with the two examples I have given.
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Post by halogen on Mar 30, 2019 11:19:05 GMT -5
I'm so scared that they will end up forcing Rootpaw to be a mediator or a medicine cat... sure, the way his first chapter is written, it seems like they are setting him up to be the warrior he wants to be even though some bullies are mean to him because of his father, but this is the Erins we are talking about, so naturally he will probably be forced to be something else.
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foxstep
loves squirrelflight way too much
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Post by foxstep on Mar 30, 2019 11:47:25 GMT -5
Yeah, the last one sounds a lot like tree. I'm pissed that they're still whining about StarClan and how they're nothing without them. They need to learn to live without guidance. Seriously, what's the point of trying if all the answers are within reach, confusing prophecies or not. StarClan's interfering ruined Warriors potential so much.
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Post by *Faith* on Mar 30, 2019 15:31:47 GMT -5
All those quotes are quite interesting and I am so excited for this book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 15:35:28 GMT -5
Yeah, the last one sounds a lot like tree. I'm pissed that they're still whining about StarClan and how they're nothing without them. They need to learn to live without guidance. Seriously, what's the point of trying if all the answers are within reach, confusing prophecies or not. StarClan's interfering ruined Warriors potential so much. It's not like StarClan even helps much, anyways. These days they seem to be causing more trouble than handing out "helpful advice". The only time they ever seemed helpful was when they fought for the Dark Forest, and Silverstream isn't a half-bad guardian member. Everyone else is pointless.
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Lesbian
Owl
always writing, never finishing
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Post by Owl on Mar 30, 2019 16:25:30 GMT -5
interesting. i'm really thinking that last quote is from tree i really hope the arc doesn't end with a completely unchanged warrior code, and i'm hoping the characters don't spend the entire time cowering without starclan. it would be nice for the living cats to have a bit of independence from them
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foxstep
loves squirrelflight way too much
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Post by foxstep on Mar 30, 2019 18:11:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the last one sounds a lot like tree. I'm pissed that they're still whining about StarClan and how they're nothing without them. They need to learn to live without guidance. Seriously, what's the point of trying if all the answers are within reach, confusing prophecies or not. StarClan's interfering ruined Warriors potential so much. It's not like StarClan even helps much, anyways. These days they seem to be causing more trouble than handing out "helpful advice". The only time they ever seemed helpful was when they fought for the Dark Forest, and Silverstream isn't a half-bad guardian member. Everyone else is pointless.
Still, the way the Clan cats refuse to do anything without StarClan's guidance (even when the help is very small) when conflict arises, is very annoying and unnecessary. They're like little toddlers who need help every step of the way. That is strange because they have Clan leaders who were elected to lead the way and instead they choose to wait for StarClan's leadership? I'm probably exaggerating, but it's still there and still annoying.
(Btw, I'm not directing the aggressiveness at you, I'm just annoyed at the characters)
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