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Post by Haze on Feb 28, 2019 16:00:00 GMT -5
My only problem with warriors religion is the destiny bullshit and self fulfilling prophecies that will happen no matter what.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 28, 2019 16:02:56 GMT -5
I totally agree with that. It was fine in OS, but it gradually got worse. It was just written in poorly.
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Post by Pixie on Feb 28, 2019 16:03:48 GMT -5
My only problem with warriors religion is the destiny bullshit and self fulfilling prophecies that will happen no matter what. Oh yeah, there’s that too. It really is dumb. I don’t see the point of life if you’re given multiple choices, but end up getting the same result no matter what you choose.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 28, 2019 17:09:25 GMT -5
Seekers is infinitely worse than Warriors in this regard, IMO. For all that people got bothered by Starclan descending from the heavens in The Last Hope, Seekers has a literal angel shape shifter traveling with them for the entirety of the first series. If we ever got that in Warriors, people's heads would explode. I'm personally thankful that we have Starclan instead of an Ujurak.
The biggest problem Starclan causes in Warriors is being utterly inept and harmful to the point that the series almost seems anti-religion(a relative of mine actually asked me about that after I recommended them). I don't mind it so much though, since you can just skip the dreams.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 17:14:01 GMT -5
I can agree. The later series have turned StarClan into the Pirates Who Won't Do Anything.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 28, 2019 17:17:57 GMT -5
My biggest issue with the series is that it has atheists still Which, at this point, make 0 sense considering everything that has happened If you're going to make it to where religion is so clear and true, and that these dead cats regularly show themselves to living cats and have even fought a war, you can't have realistically atheist clan cats
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 28, 2019 17:44:15 GMT -5
I agree
I rank StarClan through the arcs as OS>TNP=DotC>Po3>OotS
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Post by foxstep on Feb 28, 2019 17:48:46 GMT -5
Trying out new font yeeee.
Okay, I just hate how StarClan treats the Clan cats like their puppets. I hate how they're mentioned all the time. MOST IMPORTANTLY, how when anyone is faced with a problem, they choose to wait for an omen rather than taking matters into their own hands (or paws...you know what I mean). I'd love to see how they'd deal if they lost their connection to StarClan (The Broken Code *squeals*).
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Post by Hawkeyes258 on Feb 28, 2019 17:53:56 GMT -5
Makes you wonder who is the actual bad guys. Starclan or the Dark Forest.
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Post by Pixie on Feb 28, 2019 17:57:33 GMT -5
Seekers is infinitely worse than Warriors in this regard, IMO. For all that people got bothered by Starclan descending from the heavens in The Last Hope, Seekers has a literal angel shape shifter traveling with them for the entirety of the first series. If we ever got that in Warriors, people's heads would explode. I'm personally thankful that we have Starclan instead of an Ujurak. The biggest problem Starclan causes in Warriors is being utterly inept and harmful to the point that the series almost seems anti-religion(a relative of mine actually asked me about that after I recommended them). I don't mind it so much though, since you can just skip the dreams. I like that bear angel Ujurak, though, lol, and since he's there since the beginning, I think it adds an interesting twist I have yet to see in any other book series ever.
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Post by なんで私 on Feb 28, 2019 18:26:57 GMT -5
Makes you wonder who is the actual bad guys. Starclan or the Dark Forest. At least the Dark Forest doesn’t go around deciding who lives and who dies in a Sucyworld esk way.
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Post by Seven on Feb 28, 2019 22:05:17 GMT -5
starclan can't decide if they want to be vague or not
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 0:50:46 GMT -5
The series could be improved if StarClan was just involved less often. Maybe the medicine cats meet with StarClan every 2 seasons instead of 2 weeks. It could be a very special ceremony after greenleaf and after winter, to check in with the clans and see how they're doing and offer advice, like "this leaf bare will be hard, gather lots of catnip and fatten up while you can" or "there will be more twolegs than normal this greenleaf, establish good hiding places all over the territory just in case of an emergency"
I'd honestly prefer if there was no religion in warriors because they could create better, more realistic conflicts that way, but unfortunately starclan is so ingrained in their society that it wouldn't really be warriors without it.
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Mar 1, 2019 1:45:58 GMT -5
I don't mind how StarClan operates too much, but the number of prophecies and bureaucracy (especially in OotS) is irritating.
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From the mist, I return...
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Post by Moonfoot on Mar 3, 2019 10:41:53 GMT -5
Honestly, the butchering of StarClan is one of the many things that kinda dragged the series down for me. As already stated above, in the OS and part of TNP, StarClan was not directly active in the lives of the Clan cats. They sent vague omens by manipulating nature rather than appearing themselves. Those omens allowed for us, the readers, to solve the mystery along with the Clan cats, rather than be blatantly told by Yellowfang or Bluestar. It also allowed for these omens to be misinterpreted, like in the case of Cinderpelt and the fire in TNP, which if done correctly could yield a thicker plot as the Clan tries to figure out what on earth StarClan is telling them. This would also be a parallel to the real world, as if one is religious, they might perceive something to be a sign whether or not it really is. In the OS, these omens weren't commonplace, either, which illustrated how these dead cats didn't interfere with the living unless it was important enough. That's a very important aspect of StarClan to me, how it was an afterlife rather than a 'I know stuff now so I'll tell my Clan even though I'm not corporeal'. They let the Clans take care of themselves. Not to mention, I felt that many characters seemed different after they went to StarClan, Bluestar especially. I understand there are no borders in StarClan so there is very little hostility, but I felt that many key characteristics of the cats that died were ignored for the sake of the plot. Also, while I do feel the all inclusive final battle in OOTS was an excellent finale to Firestar's reign, it does remove the prospect of atheism at least for this generation. I'm not sure if Cloudtail and Mothwing are still without faith (not sure how they could be, either, though) but it was so interesting to have non-religious characters especially Mothwing, who was meant to be in a generally religious position, especially since we see no harmful consequences for their lack of faith. In fact, the only 'Hell' we see is for religious Clan cats.
Anyways, sorry for the ramble. This is just something that's been upsetting me since TPOT...
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Mar 3, 2019 11:37:05 GMT -5
The problem with Starclan is that thier behavior and powers are not consistent throughout the series. Not to mention there's no explanation for that inconsistency. I'd be fine with Starclan if it was consistent what they could and could not do. Or if there was some explanation for the inconsistencies in later books ( E.g. the cats misinterpret the falling tree that killed Mudclaw as a sign, when it's not, becoming more active in the world of the living is actually a lead up to the Dark Forest battle, as both sides realize they can pierce the mortal veil more and more so to speak and not caring about the consequences). But unfortunately there's no explanation, so everything just seems like it comes out of nowhere.
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