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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 17:05:44 GMT -5
I don't know how many of you remember, but on the original forums, there was a thread about Snowkit that gained quite a bit of traction. Basically, people were discussing whether or not Snowkit should have lived and if he should have had the chance to become a warrior. This thread happened a loooong time ago, maybe 2012 - 2013 if I had to place it? Maybe a little later.
Anyways, the reason it stuck with me was because the overwhelming response was "No" to both questions. A lot of users went into detail, most justifying their answer by saying Snowkit would have been a burden on the clan and wouldn't have been able to fulfill warrior responsibilities. Some said that Snowkit's quality of life would have been poor and that it would be a mercy to just kill them before they got older.
I remember being really furious with these responses, but I don't think I responded in fear of getting caught up in a heated argument.
I still think about that thread sometimes and now that I'm older I'm more shocked about it than anything? Granted a lot of those users at the time were PROBABLY children, but they were children applying what they thought was rational and realistic thought; which entailed a lot of ableism. I wonder how many of them grew out of that mindset and how many still think that logic is justified. That worries me.
I just wanted to know if anyone else knew about that thread or what you guys think about it now.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 27, 2019 17:14:22 GMT -5
I don't remember the thread itself, but I get what you're talking about as a whole. I feel this towards seeing any negativity towards disabled cats in terms of their place in the clan tbh. Nobody had faith that a deaf cat could be anything in the clans, they one would just be nothing but a burden or useless or some shit like that, that he wouldn't be a "full warrior" just because he wouldn't be able to do certain things just because he's deaf (Even though a Warrior is a Warrior regardless, there's no "Half a Warrior" shit, if one's a Warrior then they are one and that's that). Yet... he would've patrolled and hunted just fine, he could get around just fine, cats can develop a fricking sign language for these sorta cats, hell THEY ALREADY HAVE! All they had to do was simply GIVE HIM A FRICKING CHANCE. The same goes for how people say Jayfeather could never be a capable competent Warrior just because he's a blind feral cat. Even though cats have shown to be hella adaptable with disabilities IRL, regardless if they're born with it or induced in some way. Folks seem to either forget that cats are super adaptable, or ignore that fact completely just to give their ""Realism"" argument.
I don't wanna say albeism because I try not to throw that around, but that's all I feel when I see threads about disabled cats potential to live/be warriors/anything other than a healer and it gets nothing but negativity about it and it's honestly very disheartening (And even anger inducing for me tbh) in the end. It's honestly why I tend to make disabled WC OCs that are Warriors out of spite of this.
Anyone who tries to throw the "realistic" excuse can miss me with the literal 9 lives, ghost cats coming from the dead to fight in the living, a cat with SUPERSONIC POWERS and one who can LITERALLY LIFT A TREE, and so much more, but oh noes we can't have disabled characters living long happy lives that'd be too UNREALISTIC!!!
Don't @ me if anyone's gonna try to change my mind on this because you're absolutely not with this. I'm not even physically disabled myself and yet this genuinely upsets me, so apologies for the rant.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 27, 2019 18:11:45 GMT -5
Anyone saying Snowkit didn't deserve to live is obviously wrong.
That being said, him not being a warrior is more complicated. Someone that's deaf can definitely still fight and is a thousand times better off than Jayfeather in terms of physical activity, no question. He might even be good on patrols. However, hunting and guarding a place will be difficult to say the least. A crucial part of a cat's arsenal when hunting is being able to hear their prey in order to find it. Without that, Snowkit would basically just be tramping around hoping to run into something that's out of cover.
One can argue that warriors are too purist with skill to allow someone with problems to be a warrior. Alderheart, for instance, was perfectly able but just lacked raw talent and he was still basically blackballed from the role. Snowkit is in a similar boat to Alderheart where he would undoubtedly be able to add his weight in muscle to a battle patrol or just to a regular patrol, but he'd also have enough trouble that the rest of them would probably roll their eyes because anything less than competence in all disciplines seems to be scoffed at.
All that being said, despite Snowkit's difficulties, I'd say he'd be good enough. Nothing exceptional but sometimes just having a body on the field will suffice. He'll probably be better off to Alderheart in fighting, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 18:46:34 GMT -5
About sign language, considering Clan cats haven't even written a language, I doubt they have the knowledge, time or patience to develop an entirely new form of new communication for one cat. Especially since there's no living memory of how to train a deaf cat in the Clans. Thunderclan will probably need to do it completely blind. Though there are a tail signal, without the 10 separate figures, the number of extra tail signs they can make for Snowkit.
Lip-reading doesn't seem likely either. As cat's face ain't as flexible as humans, including the lips. There's a reason the books have a habit of using phrases like "flatten ears" or their obsession with disco eyeballs. Without complex communication, Snowkit would probably be limited to reading plain emotions and basic intrusation like "Follow me" or "Hunt here". Maybe with enough time it can be put into a short sentence, for example, a sigher could say: "Snowpaw. You are going with your mentor on a hunting patrol. Follow him. Back in camp by Sunhigh.". However, he couldn't develop more complex things like: political options, equal friendships, make comments at Clan meetings etc.
Teaching Snowkit the complicated battle tactics/moves might too hard with only able to give him basic word instructions. Hunting a possibility though. His deafness could come with some advantages, that he'd probably be a better tracker.
BUT since this is a fantasy series, we can throw realism out the window. The best serultion I'd say, is to have Snowkit saved by a kittypet who has knowledge of disabilities because of they help raise more challenging kittens. Which would explain why they have the knowledge and make Snowkit lip-read, ignoring the fact cats don't really move their lips much.
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Post by なんで私 on Feb 27, 2019 19:11:51 GMT -5
I know someone who's disabled and lives her life fine, even though she's not deaf. Anyways I like Mellowix's idea of the kittypet thing. Maybe the kittypet's owners raise disabled animals for a living (including cats) and their cat helps Snowkit learn everything they know. Snowkit could come back to the clans and be like "a kittypet is more useful then all of you." Okay the last part is just me joking but everything else would be awesome.
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 27, 2019 19:44:53 GMT -5
Dude wtf?? I don't think I ever saw that thread, if I did I don't remember, but OOF Brackenfur was willing and even eager to give Snowkit a chance and I know he could have helped Snowkit become a great warrior
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Post by Cheetahstar on Feb 27, 2019 20:08:07 GMT -5
I like to headcanon the hawk dropped him and hes now living a happy life as a kittypet, and his sibling (was it lynxkit i think?) went looking found him, and joined him in kittypetness
Could he have been a warrior? Possible.... Would it have been a hindrance? Yes.
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Post by Viperstrike on Feb 27, 2019 20:11:07 GMT -5
As someone who remembers that thread (or at least something similar) and probably participated, I still stand by my opinion that Snowkit couldn't have been a warrior or a medicine cat. I don't think Snowkit deserved to die or anything like that, but I don't think he could ever fit into the "typical" role of a Clan cat. I think ThunderClan is understanding and would have worked with Snowkit in whatever way was possible. If he had lived, he probably would have been like Briarlight. A warrior in name, but without the hunting and patrolling. He probably would have helped do chores aroud camp, help care and play for the kits, and whatever else. Do I think he could hunt and fight if needed? Yeah. I just don't think the typical wake up and hunt/patrol/fight all day lifestyle would be suited for him. Honestly he would probably be allowed to do whatever he wanted, not like in a spoiled way just... different. Like if he decided he wanted to go hunt, he could go with his own little patrol instead of being assigned a mandatory one that is expected or else. Or if he wanted to chill in camp all day, he can. I just think if Snowkit lived he would have his own thing going on for him like Briarlight, Daisy, or Purdy. They don't fit into what's traditional, but they're treated the same as the rest of their Clanmates and have their own role that works for them and the Clan that helps.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 27, 2019 21:43:36 GMT -5
I remember *a* snowkit thread, but not sure if it's the same exact one you're talking about. i was always on the side of he can't be a warrior OR medicine cat. he can't do anything or have a role, but i don't think i've ever said he didn't have a right to live? he could have done something, but since being deaf leaves him with ZERO knowledge on what clans or warriors even are, he couldn't have had a role in the society.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 22:01:11 GMT -5
I remember *a* snowkit thread, but not sure if it's the same exact one you're talking about. i was always on the side of he can't be a warrior OR medicine cat. he can't do anything or have a role, but i don't think i've ever said he didn't have a right to live? he could have done something, but since being deaf leaves him with ZERO knowledge on what clans or warriors even are, he couldn't have had a role in the society. I disagree. He was obviously capable of verbal communication and even lip reading. It's not as though deaf people are incapable of understanding anything about their environment or their society. As people above have stated, even with limited communication, he still could have learned a lot.
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Post by Haze on Feb 27, 2019 22:21:18 GMT -5
I can think in some things that a deaf cat could do to help the clan without doing exactly all the warrior duties.
- Plant and maintain a herb garden for medicinal use, just bring him together when a medicine cat is taking care of that and eventually he would learn by observing and do that alone. - In Riverclan the fishing technique is 100% visual, he would eventually learn by observing. - Help the medicine cat just like a Nurse. - Keep the Warrior den clean and in good conditions of use for a more comfortable living.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 27, 2019 22:30:38 GMT -5
I remember *a* snowkit thread, but not sure if it's the same exact one you're talking about. i was always on the side of he can't be a warrior OR medicine cat. he can't do anything or have a role, but i don't think i've ever said he didn't have a right to live? he could have done something, but since being deaf leaves him with ZERO knowledge on what clans or warriors even are, he couldn't have had a role in the society. I disagree. He was obviously capable of verbal communication and even lip reading. It's not as though deaf people are incapable of understanding anything about their environment or their society. As people above have stated, even with limited communication, he still could have learned a lot.
nah, i don't agree that cats in this fantasy series have lip reading. being deaf means no one cant explain what clans or warriors are, etc.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 27, 2019 22:36:59 GMT -5
I don't think I remember that thread, but wow, that's insane! But I don't think he would be a warrior like most cats. Like another person said, he could have been a warrior in name only and just helped with things around camp. He probably would do okay fighting and hunting if he needed to.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 27, 2019 22:40:13 GMT -5
I can think in some things that a deaf cat could do to help the clan without doing exactly all the warrior duties. - Plant and maintain a herb garden for medicinal use, just bring him together when a medicine cat is taking care of that and eventually he would learn by observing and do that alone. - In Riverclan the fishing technique is 100% visual, he would eventually learn by observing. - Help the medicine cat just like a Nurse. - Keep the Warrior den clean and in good conditions of use for a more comfortable living. Planting herbs could be done but he wouldn't know how. Jayfeather coming up with crops was a very recent discovery and was only possible thanks to the spark of inspiration he got from their problems with herb shortages. It's possible Snowkit could come to the same conclusion but unlikely. Helping the medicine cat like a nurse is probably not going to work out so well because he'd be in a rather dark, cramped environment where the medicine cat will be quickly barking out the names of herbs and so on that they need while examining the patient. That's not a good situation for a deaf cat to be in. The medicine cat could turn around and speak as slowly as possible so he can see their gestures clearly, but at that rate the medicine cat might as well just do the nursing themselves.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 27, 2019 22:43:20 GMT -5
Briarlight is completely different. She can hear and comprehend what her society is. She knows what being a warrior means. She knows about herbs because she can hear and therefore learn. Deaf cats, born deaf, still will have no knowledge of anything and reading lips for cats makes no sense. yes, it's fantasy, but cats are still cats to the root of all this controversy. snowkit would only help out if mimicking other cat's movements and actions, but he wouldnt understand WHAT he is doing or WHY. there is a clear difference there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 22:46:32 GMT -5
Briarlight is completely different. She can hear and comprehend what her society is. She knows what being a warrior means. She knows about herbs because she can hear and therefore learn. Deaf cats, born deaf, still will have no knowledge of anything and reading lips for cats makes no sense. yes, it's fantasy, but cats are still cats to the root of all this controversy. snowkit would only help out if mimicking other cat's movements and actions, but he wouldnt understand WHAT he is doing or WHY. there is a clear difference there. ... i mean, its not a matter of CAN he read lips. He does. He canonically does. He canonically responds to Fireheart with verbal speech. He slurs his words yeah but he CAN speak and understand others.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 27, 2019 22:53:20 GMT -5
Briarlight is completely different. She can hear and comprehend what her society is. She knows what being a warrior means. She knows about herbs because she can hear and therefore learn. Deaf cats, born deaf, still will have no knowledge of anything and reading lips for cats makes no sense. yes, it's fantasy, but cats are still cats to the root of all this controversy. snowkit would only help out if mimicking other cat's movements and actions, but he wouldnt understand WHAT he is doing or WHY. there is a clear difference there. ... i mean, its not a matter of CAN he read lips. He does. He canonically does. He canonically responds to Fireheart with verbal speech. He slurs his words yeah but he CAN speak and understand others. huh....well, i apologize then. i do not remember that specific detail.
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Post by Viperstrike on Feb 27, 2019 23:16:56 GMT -5
I just overlooked Snowkit's scenes, and I honestly think he would have a lot of trouble.
- He doesn't respond when anyone interacts with him, excluding Speckletail - He doesn't play or interact with others like normal - When Bramblekit pounces on him, Snowkit shows no reaction and instead lays there and squeals. - Speckletail tries showing him how to hunt, but Snowkit pays no attention and doesn't react or comprehend. He just rolls around on the ground - When Firestar tries calling him, he just stares at him. If he could read lips, he would have came. Speckletail has to nudge him in Firestar's direction - When Firestar talks to him, Snowkit stares at him and gives a response that doesn't really have to do with what Firestar said. He mumbles out a barely coherent "S'all right."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 23:28:00 GMT -5
I just overlooked Snowkit's scenes, and I honestly think he would have a lot of trouble. - He doesn't respond when anyone interacts with him, excluding Speckletail - He doesn't play or interact with others like normal - When Bramblekit pounces on him, Snowkit shows no reaction and instead lays there and squeals. - Speckletail tries showing him how to hunt, but Snowkit pays no attention and doesn't react or comprehend. He just rolls around on the ground - When Firestar tries calling him, he just stares at him. If he could read lips, he would have came. Speckletail has to nudge him in Firestar's direction - When Firestar talks to him, Snowkit stares at him and gives a response that doesn't really have to do with what Firestar said. He mumbles out a barely coherent "S'all right." Hmm. That does change things. Though i do think him speaking at all shows he might have been able to learn how to communicate better, it might be a moot point. I misremembered him being able to lip read which is my bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 23:40:23 GMT -5
Looking at this from another angle, I think the question of whether or not Snowkit /could/ have been able to function as a member of the clan might be a moot point because in the eyes of the Erin's the answer is a clear: no. He died because they believed he couldn't survive and them's the breaks as far as they're concerned. Given that they haven't explored deaf cats in the series again (as far as I know?) it seems like they're uninterested in figuring out how a deaf warrior could exist in a clan.
I think that's how a lot of readers in the originally mentioned thread got that callous takeaway from the whole experience: if a disabled cat can't function the same as every other warriors then they're a burden and a waste of resources.
I think an imaginative mind could come up with no shortage of ways for Snowkit to learn to be a warrior or to learn how to function within a clan in his own way. I think that a clan that's willing to make the effort to accommodate a disabled warrior would definitely figure something out. But I guess the Erins' weren't and maybe still aren't interested in exploring that unless it ends with the cat dying or getting shuffled off to the medicine cat den.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 28, 2019 0:01:50 GMT -5
Looking at this from another angle, I think the question of whether or not Snowkit /could/ have been able to function as a member of the clan might be a moot point because in the eyes of the Erin's the answer is a clear: no. He died because they believed he couldn't survive and them's the breaks as far as they're concerned. Given that they haven't explored deaf cats in the series again (as far as I know?) it seems like they're uninterested in figuring out how a deaf warrior could exist in a clan. I think that's how a lot of readers in the originally mentioned thread got that callous takeaway from the whole experience: if a disabled cat can't function the same as every other warriors then they're a burden and a waste of resources. I think an imaginative mind could come up with no shortage of ways for Snowkit to learn to be a warrior or to learn how to function within a clan in his own way. I think that a clan that's willing to make the effort to accommodate a disabled warrior would definitely figure something out. But I guess the Erins' weren't and maybe still aren't interested in exploring that unless it ends with the cat dying or getting shuffled off to the medicine cat den. A lot of this does have to do with the Erins' propensity to exaggerate things for the sake of drama. Just as claws and bites are exponentially more lethal in the books than in real life, some crippling is treated as far worse than it ought to be. This is basically for drama's sake along with the fact that the books want to appear to be realistic if nothing else(the fact that special powers exist does not change the fact that these are special things and that the ordinary rank and file cat doesn't have much different). I do think if you want to look at it from an in-universe perspective, it's purely because the clans are basically a warrior culture that value strength in battle and cleverness in hunting as the chief traits that someone should have. They gain honor and respect by doing these things. True, someone planting herbs or building dens is incredibly useful, but it's not viewed as a desirable or honorable task. It's viewed kind of like how we'd view janitorial work; necessary but rather lowly as well. So there's some reason to believe that a disabled warrior might be dissuaded from a warrior path, given that they'd always be a step behind their peers. There's a bit of an honor before reason sort of look going there.
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Post by tigersdoroar on Mar 1, 2019 0:27:12 GMT -5
EEEEeeeee... I don't remember that thread, however I have mixed feelings about Snowkit. I loved reading about him and I was absolutely crushed when he was carried away (disturbed is probably a better word). I just imagined that he was dropped off somewhere rather than being torn apart by a bird of prey. However now that I'm older, and a Wildlife major at that, I think his death was rather inevitable. And I'm not saying that because I think the books should be realistic, but just realistic in the consistency of their setting. The forest was filled with predators, weather that be foxes, badgers, owls, hawks, or rogues, and the odds of him actually surviving to adulthood with that disability would've been slim. Snowkit probably would've been able to adapt and grow and live as a warrior; however, he would have never been able to properly defend himself unless he was ultra-sensitive to ground vibrations, and the chances of that in a feline, soft trodden world is unlikely. Snowkit was a disabled animal, and nature would have eventually caught up to him. It's survival of the fittest in the wild world, and Snowkit would've had slim chances at life unless he was watched 24/7. But knowing the cats of Thunderclan at the time, who would of had the time or the desire to do that? Snowkit/paw/whatever would've been left alone eventually, and he would have been killed.
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I do with the series would revisit the concept of a deaf cat or kittypet. It would be nice to see a character try to overcome something other than shadowy night terrors or whiny star-clan power prophecies.
To ease everyone's mind though, Snowkit was more than likely instantly killed upon being picked up. Talons on Birds of Prey make quick work of catches so that the prey cannot injure them or fight back.
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 1, 2019 0:54:12 GMT -5
EEEEeeeee... I don't remember that thread, however I have mixed feelings about Snowkit. I loved reading about him and I was absolutely crushed when he was carried away (disturbed is probably a better word). I just imagined that he was dropped off somewhere rather than being torn apart by a bird of prey. However now that I'm older, and a Wildlife major at that, I think his death was rather inevitable. And I'm not saying that because I think the books should be realistic, but just realistic in the consistency of their setting. The forest was filled with predators, weather that be foxes, badgers, owls, hawks, or rogues, and the odds of him actually surviving to adulthood with that disability would've been slim. Snowkit probably would've been able to adapt and grow and live as a warrior; however, he would have never been able to properly defend himself unless he was ultra-sensitive to ground vibrations, and the chances of that in a feline, soft trodden world is unlikely. Snowkit was a disabled animal, and nature would have eventually caught up to him. It's survival of the fittest in the wild world, and Snowkit would've had slim chances at life unless he was watched 24/7. But knowing the cats of Thunderclan at the time, who would of had the time or the desire to do that? Snowkit/paw/whatever would've been left alone eventually, and he would have been killed. HOWEVER I do with the series would revisit the concept of a deaf cat or kittypet. It would be nice to see a character try to overcome something other than shadowy night terrors or whiny star-clan power prophecies. To ease everyone's mind though, Snowkit was more than likely instantly killed upon being picked up. Talons on Birds of Prey make quick work of catches so that the prey cannot injure them or fight back. So long as he can get eyes on a threat, there's no reason that he couldn't defend himself. Sight is what's most important in a fight after all. The problem, as you said, lies in sneak attacks. Talons on birds of prey are pretty powerful, but Snowkit was also several months old when the bird grabbed him and that makes him hefty size for hawk prey. This isn't some powerful eagle, this is a much smaller hawk and that means the chances of him dying instantly are actually pretty low unless its talons pierced his spinal cord. No, more than likely he was killed by being ripped apart by the hawk's beak instead. That'd be quick, but it would be painful. And of course it's possible the hawk merely decided to screw around for a little bit too before finishing him off. There's some videos of hawks taking rabbits and while the rabbits do die instantly sometimes, it seems like more often than not the rabbits are alive for a while as the hawk tears them apart.
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Post by halogen on Mar 2, 2019 16:47:56 GMT -5
In the case of a warriors universe where the cats' communication is primarily nonverbal (closer to a much more complex version of real cat communication) as opposed to verbal/sound-based like a human's, how would Snowkit fare differently though?
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Post by なんで私 on Mar 2, 2019 17:46:03 GMT -5
I remember *a* snowkit thread, but not sure if it's the same exact one you're talking about. i was always on the side of he can't be a warrior OR medicine cat. he can't do anything or have a role, but i don't think i've ever said he didn't have a right to live? he could have done something, but since being deaf leaves him with ZERO knowledge on what clans or warriors even are, he couldn't have had a role in the society. I disagree. He was obviously capable of verbal communication and even lip reading. It's not as though deaf people are incapable of understanding anything about their environment or their society. As people above have stated, even with limited communication, he still could have learned a lot.
yeah I remember reading A Dangerous Path and all he can say were jumbled words but he can speak like any other cat. Heck here's a quote of him speaking!!
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 2, 2019 20:21:33 GMT -5
In the case of a warriors universe where the cats' communication is primarily nonverbal (closer to a much more complex version of real cat communication) as opposed to verbal/sound-based like a human's, how would Snowkit fare differently though? <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.6000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 19.120000000000005px; height: 3.6000000000000085px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_53762967" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.6000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 3.6px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_29066324" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.6000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 3.6px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 121px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_25301939" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="3.6000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 3.6px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: 121px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_48409538" scrolling="no"></iframe> Because it is still very clearly verbal for the most part. Snowkit's "s'alright" is noted to be barely understandable and Bluestar mentions that commands are given in battle verbally.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 2, 2019 21:03:48 GMT -5
I really don't think Snowkit could have been a normal warrior for all the reasons listed. Really, he would have been best off being found by a twoleg and becoming a kittypet. Did he deserve to die? Absolutely not, but he wasn't set for clan life.
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Post by Moonfoot on Mar 3, 2019 13:20:29 GMT -5
Life would have been difficult for Snowkit, that's for sure. However, while I wasn't on the forums at that time, from a survivalist standpoint alone, Snowkit would have been a burden as he could not have functioned as well as a standard Clan cat. That is likely why so many people felt Snowkit's death was a deserved/mercy kill. However, Warriors is not a purely survivalist setting. The cats are granted conscious/morals/etc. Thus, I feel like they would have at least tried to integrate Snowkit into their hierarchy. I do like the tail motion/sign language idea, though I also do agree that the communication here is limited at best. Even if Snowkit didn't know why he was doing certain things, from observing his clanmates and mulling over it, he could come up with his own ideas for why. Also, I'm not an expert so please forgive me if I'm incorrect, but that fact that Snowkit can form semi-understandable fragments (i.e. 'S'alright') could suggest that he is not completely deaf, or did could hear a little before his ears fully developed? Anyways, Snowkit would have a hard time fitting in, but I hope the Erins explore this concept again in the future, because especially with the more tolerant ThunderClan I feel like a deaf cat could fit in the Clan in a way no one else could (or at least, I hope they could)
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