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Post by scint on Feb 25, 2019 3:13:41 GMT -5
Judging by the TST (The Silent Thaw) blurb, what do you think is causing Bramblestar's madness? Lately it's between rabies and possession that's the cause. Personally, I don't really care which they choose to do as long as they do it properly. Thoughts?
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Post by streamflower on Feb 25, 2019 3:43:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure, but I'd be pretty surprised if it was possession or rabies. If anything, I think Bramblestar may be acting oddly because when he dies there are no Starclan cats to greet him. Maybe he just enters a pitch-black endless void and then revives after his first death. I feel like that would be incredibly jarring, especially if you are expecting to receive some comfort and love from past ancestors and loved ones.
Adding on to that, it's likely that a lot of TC cats will die--if that's so and Bramblestar doesn't see any past loved ones it's possible that he believes those cats who have died are simply floating in this void, this purgatory.
While possession/rabies could be interesting, I just don't really see it happening. The theme of this arc seems to be a disconnect from Starclan--and an endless void where death is cold and dark with no guidance or loved ones--that seems like a pretty big disconnect that would cause more than slight concern from the leader of a clan.
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 25, 2019 7:12:22 GMT -5
Possession!!
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Post by Tas on Feb 25, 2019 8:19:45 GMT -5
It seems clear to me that it's possession. To have a leader get rabies seems awfully dark, even for Warriors, and even for TBC. For about a year now, Kate has been teasing about a controversial character, and it seemed pretty obvious that that character would be Ashfur.
Although I personally am not a fan of any possession plotlines, it would make the most sense for Ashfur, a complex cat whose arc was never really wrapped up, to return after 3 arcs of silence as a kind of catalyst to whatever climax TBC will take (I don't think he will be the main villain of the arc, but I doubt it'll be Sleekwhisker either). He brings back a simpler character structure, someone with motive and means but without all this OotS spirit-y business.
All this is pure speculation of course. It hasn't been confirmed that it'll be Ashfur, and it hasn't been confirmed that it'll be possession. But it's a whole lot more likely than rabies, and the pieces fit together. Who knows, Sol might even make his return.
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Post by Tas on Feb 25, 2019 8:22:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure, but I'd be pretty surprised if it was possession or rabies. If anything, I think Bramblestar may be acting oddly because when he dies there are no Starclan cats to greet him. Maybe he just enters a pitch-black endless void and then revives after his first death. I feel like that would be incredibly jarring, especially if you are expecting to receive some comfort and love from past ancestors and loved ones. Adding on to that, it's likely that a lot of TC cats will die--if that's so and Bramblestar doesn't see any past loved ones it's possible that he believes those cats who have died are simply floating in this void, this purgatory. While possession/rabies could be interesting, I just don't really see it happening. The theme of this arc seems to be a disconnect from Starclan--and an endless void where death is cold and dark with no guidance or loved ones--that seems like a pretty big disconnect that would cause more than slight concern from the leader of a clan. I think I'm feeling a bit of a disconnect here. I haven't been around much lately- was there something mentioned that Bramblestar is and will feel insecurities? I feel like when leaders have lost lives before, cats have been there to say hi and push them back. Or is this poetic liberty? I like your post, but I don't fully understand the emphasis on a dark void.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 25, 2019 8:33:31 GMT -5
Possession is more likely than rabies given leaders get cured of illness if it kills them. Plus rabies in the UK setting they're in are super less likely. Streamflower's theory is interesting though, and is an interesting take on Starclan suddenly going silent, but I wish time would pass by faster so that we can get TST and know exactly what we're dealing with. (Ofc I'm content to wait but AUGH WAITING)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 8:48:37 GMT -5
I honestly think he’s just gunna go a bit senile somehow in relation to losing connection to StarClan. I know warriors is a fantasy series and we’ve seen possession before- but it just seems pretty out there for me. Rabies would be more likely in my opinion, but even then animals with rabies don’t just “act strange”, it’s a lot more horrible than that and so I would think the blurb would be a bit more descriptive than just “acting strange”, especially since they’re known to exaggerate things a lot.
If the massive, horrible storm they mentioned only killed like one or two cats, then I wouldn’t be surprised if Bramblestar acting strange was just being moody or unreasonable.
But I guess we’ll see.
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Post by Phoenix1410 on Feb 25, 2019 10:20:01 GMT -5
Well, I find both options very interesting. With rabies, it often takes a while for cats to show symptoms. Classic signs of rabies in cats are changes in behavior (including aggression, restlessness and lethargy), increased vocalization, loss of appetite, weakness, disorientation, paralysis, seizures and even sudden death. It would be possible and it would be a good storyline. Then there would be the possession. As with rabies, it is likely and I would die for such a story, but unfortunately I prefer rabies for the story. Nonetheless the blurb of TST has confirmed the appearance of a ghost cat. The word "apparition" often means a ghost or ghostlike image of a person. But I don't think Ashfur will be that ghost. Because ... First of all, Ashfur is in StarClan. The blurb seems to imply that this spirit will cause a conflict between ShadowClan and SkyClan. And a StarClan cat probably would not do that. Second, what motives would he have? Although Ashur was a big jerk, he never wanted to take revenge on the Clans or destroy the Warrior Code. So what does he have from it? Third, why exactly ShadowClan and SkyClan? Okay, that he wants to see ShadowClan suffer, I could understand, since now a second Tigerstar leads ShadowClan and this probably brings back some unpleasant memories. But SkyClan? Would ThunderClan not make more sense? By the way, SkyClan doesn't even know who Ashfur is. So it would be rather meaningless for them.
On this occasion Sol would be more likely because of his past with ShadowClan and SkyClan.
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Post by halogen on Feb 25, 2019 10:30:21 GMT -5
Maybe if there's a possession it will turn out that Bramblestar was already dead because without StarClan he couldn't revive, and the possession is making it look like he's still alive.
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Post by Tas on Feb 25, 2019 11:14:16 GMT -5
Well, I find both options very interesting. With rabies, it often takes a while for cats to show symptoms. Classic signs of rabies in cats are changes in behavior (including aggression, restlessness and lethargy), increased vocalization, loss of appetite, weakness, disorientation, paralysis, seizures and even sudden death. It would be possible and it would be a good storyline. Then there would be the possession. As with rabies, it is likely and I would die for such a story, but unfortunately I prefer rabies for the story. Nonetheless the blurb of TST has confirmed the appearance of a ghost cat. The word "apparition" often means a ghost or ghostlike image of a person. But I don't think Ashfur will be that ghost. Because ... First of all, Ashfur is in StarClan. The blurb seems to imply that this spirit will cause a conflict between ShadowClan and SkyClan. And a StarClan cat probably would not do that. Second, what motives would he have? Although Ashur was a big jerk, he never wanted to take revenge on the Clans or destroy the Warrior Code. So what does he have from it? Third, why exactly ShadowClan and SkyClan? Okay, that he wants to see ShadowClan suffer, I could understand, since now a second Tigerstar leads ShadowClan and this probably brings back some unpleasant memories. But SkyClan? Would ThunderClan not make more sense? By the way, SkyClan doesn't even know who Ashfur is. So it would be rather meaningless for them.
On this occasion Sol would be more likely because of his past with ShadowClan and SkyClan. I would agree with you about the possession thing but for two facts: one, we know he will be a controversial character from the books, and two he has beef with Bramblestar. Sol has nothing against Bramblestar specifically.
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Post by Phoenix1410 on Feb 25, 2019 11:50:02 GMT -5
I would agree with you about the possession thing but for two facts: one, we know he will be a controversial character from the books, and two he has beef with Bramblestar. Sol has nothing against Bramblestar specifically. Sorry, I worded myself vague. I think Sol will likely be this apparition and he will throw ShadowClan and SkyClan into conflict, but that he has nothing to do with Bramblestar's strange behavior.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 25, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -5
Possession. It makes too much sense.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 25, 2019 12:48:38 GMT -5
Senile or possession I don't think rabies works well in the Warriors world, plus it's a lot more than just acting a little strangely
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Post by streamflower on Feb 25, 2019 13:57:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure, but I'd be pretty surprised if it was possession or rabies. If anything, I think Bramblestar may be acting oddly because when he dies there are no Starclan cats to greet him. Maybe he just enters a pitch-black endless void and then revives after his first death. I feel like that would be incredibly jarring, especially if you are expecting to receive some comfort and love from past ancestors and loved ones. Adding on to that, it's likely that a lot of TC cats will die--if that's so and Bramblestar doesn't see any past loved ones it's possible that he believes those cats who have died are simply floating in this void, this purgatory. While possession/rabies could be interesting, I just don't really see it happening. The theme of this arc seems to be a disconnect from Starclan--and an endless void where death is cold and dark with no guidance or loved ones--that seems like a pretty big disconnect that would cause more than slight concern from the leader of a clan. I think I'm feeling a bit of a disconnect here. I haven't been around much lately- was there something mentioned that Bramblestar is and will feel insecurities? I feel like when leaders have lost lives before, cats have been there to say hi and push them back. Or is this poetic liberty? I like your post, but I don't fully understand the emphasis on a dark void. No worries! I can see how my wording is confusing. What I'm saying is that, generally, when a leader dies they're met with they're loved ones in Starclan, given comfort, love, encouragement, etc. I'm saying that maybe in Bramblestar's case, when he dies, instead of being taken to Starclan he's taken, well, nowhere. As in, where the cats would normally "wake up" in Starclan surrounded by loved ones when they die, Bramblestar has none of that. No Starclan, no ancestors, just a deep dark nothing with no one when he dies the first time before reviving. Does that make more sense?
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Post by dnacat on Feb 25, 2019 15:03:40 GMT -5
I think rabies would be cool, it would be an interesting plot and would be a nice dark twist, but, it's warriors, and the editors try to keep the book teetering on the edge of being for kids, so that they can still get Easons/Barnes and Nobles/Wherever they sell it to stock it as a kids book. Plus, as someone else in the thread said, leader's are auto-immune to illnesses. So, it's probably not rabies, making it more likely to be just straight-up possession.
There was one theory I heard, that Bramblestar is just so. stunned. About what death is like. Which is really, really reasonable. I can't believe nobody talks about this. The leader dies. As in, goes to StarClan, sees their family members, before being sent down. For someone like Bramblestar, that's probably really emotionally damaging. He has two stillborn kits up there, his in-laws, his mother, a lot of his old friends. (Not to mention Hollyleaf, Firestar, his niece & nephew). Maybe he just wasn't ready to see all that, even when he's as mature as he is now.
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Post by Phoenix1410 on Feb 25, 2019 15:43:09 GMT -5
I think rabies would be cool, it would be an interesting plot and would be a nice dark twist, but, it's warriors, and the editors try to keep the book teetering on the edge of being for kids, so that they can still get Easons/Barnes and Nobles/Wherever they sell it to stock it as a kids book. Plus, as someone else in the thread said, leader's are auto-immune to illnesses. So, it's probably not rabies, making it more likely to be just straight-up possession.
There was one theory I heard, that Bramblestar is just so. stunned. About what death is like. Which is really, really reasonable. I can't believe nobody talks about this. The leader dies. As in, goes to StarClan, sees their family members, before being sent down. For someone like Bramblestar, that's probably really emotionally damaging. He has two stillborn kits up there, his in-laws, his mother, a lot of his old friends. (Not to mention Hollyleaf, Firestar, his niece & nephew). Maybe he just wasn't ready to see all that, even when he's as mature as he is now.
But wasn't one of the most asked questions about this arc, if StarClan could still heal the leaders considering the disconnection?
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Post by Tas on Feb 25, 2019 17:40:36 GMT -5
I think I'm feeling a bit of a disconnect here. I haven't been around much lately- was there something mentioned that Bramblestar is and will feel insecurities? I feel like when leaders have lost lives before, cats have been there to say hi and push them back. Or is this poetic liberty? I like your post, but I don't fully understand the emphasis on a dark void. No worries! I can see how my wording is confusing. What I'm saying is that, generally, when a leader dies they're met with they're loved ones in Starclan, given comfort, love, encouragement, etc. I'm saying that maybe in Bramblestar's case, when he dies, instead of being taken to Starclan he's taken, well, nowhere. As in, where the cats would normally "wake up" in Starclan surrounded by loved ones when they die, Bramblestar has none of that. No Starclan, no ancestors, just a deep dark nothing with no one when he dies the first time before reviving. Does that make more sense? Certainly! Thanks for clarifying. So it's a kind of irrational fear, based on the lack of StarClan we've had teased. Cool.
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Post by Sundance on Feb 25, 2019 19:06:26 GMT -5
Maybe if there's a possession it will turn out that Bramblestar was already dead because without StarClan he couldn't revive, and the possession is making it look like he's still alive. Wow!!! :-D Love that idea! Would make it so we don't have to wait for Bramblestar to lose all nine of his lives before someone else assumes leadership (which I'm all for)
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 26, 2019 4:38:47 GMT -5
As long as he dies, I'm down for either.
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Post by dashingshadows on Feb 26, 2019 8:25:10 GMT -5
Brambleboi is ancient, I can see him going senile and that being the cause of the madness
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 17:28:51 GMT -5
I'd honestly like to see how the Clan cats deal with rabies.
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Post by kells on Mar 4, 2019 17:45:00 GMT -5
Did Sol die of smth because I see him as a controversial character and no one's talking about him
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 4, 2019 20:38:58 GMT -5
I don't care about either theory. Possession in a children's book series? The closest we got to that was the Cinderpelt/Cinderheart thing. Rabies? Nah. Like a few people have already said, he probably would go senile.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who still likes Bramblestar. So many people want him dead. xD
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 4, 2019 21:38:49 GMT -5
I really don't think rabies makes much sense in the warriors world. I just can't imagine that being it. Possession seems to most likely.
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Post by なんで私 on Mar 4, 2019 21:44:27 GMT -5
Honestly we got a world with talking badgers, where cats from hell can kill you in your sleep if they wanted to, and your ancestors can summon a storm if you keep arguing with your neighbours over who should play as Boswer in Smash, so rabies isn't too far out of reach nor is possession.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 4, 2019 21:54:59 GMT -5
Honestly we got a world with talking badgers, where cats from hell can kill you in your sleep if they wanted to, and your ancestors can summon a storm if you keep arguing with your neighbours over who should play as Boswer in Smash, so rabies isn't too far out of reach nor is possession. It's not the case of realism that would be the issue, because rabies isn't an unrealistic thing compared to everything else we've seen in these books. It's a case of it making sense in the geographical location. Again, IK the books have said "Frick that" before, but making cats in a UK setting, where rabies are so rare they can be considered near nonexistent there, get rabies is kinda... yeah. It's just... come ON man. It'd just seem as though they aren't taking full consideration of the general setting anymore. And tbh, I'm nowadays betting Bramblestar won't get rabies and everyone's just getting their hopes up at this point. Even I thought it was rabies, but then I remembered leaders get healed of whatever kills them so alongside from a geography thing it would mess with the lore of how Leader cats revive. Whereas possession is still a "new" thing, and was only messed up because it seemed as if Vicky didn't know whether to have it be actual reincarnation or possession with Cinderheart in the end and went with the latter despite folks being led to believe it was reincarnation. Her changing her mind later messed the plot-line up, and I'm praying they don't mess it up again. Because Bramblestar being possessed would be a very good excuse to have him be OOC like the blurb states, add halogen's theory that he's only revived from said possession (Because Starclan possibly won't be there to revive him initially if they're losing connection with them, we dunno how it affects the 9 lives deal but again, an interesting theory), and you got something intriguing to play with with a storyline. Rabies plot would be fun yeah, but lol we all know the new editor team ain't that clever.
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Post by mymerlincat on Mar 5, 2019 2:48:15 GMT -5
reading all the dumb things ignoramuses say about him and having to put up with squirrelflight everyday
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Post by Tas on Mar 5, 2019 6:45:59 GMT -5
Did Sol die of smth because I see him as a controversial character and no one's talking about him Nothing was confirmed, but he is awfully old at this point. Older than Bramblestar, probably. And he did have a solid arc. As much as I'd love to see him return, it seems unlikely. (knock on wood)
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Post by scint on Mar 5, 2019 13:32:07 GMT -5
A mixture between rabies and possession would be cool if done well
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Post by wolfcry32 on Mar 5, 2019 16:29:23 GMT -5
I’m all for possession. That would be a pretty neat plot.
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