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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 23:55:59 GMT -5
I don't like him.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 23, 2019 0:42:41 GMT -5
Very neutral, but leaning slight like. I like him.
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Post by scint on Feb 23, 2019 1:59:11 GMT -5
Neutral, but sort of leaning towards eurgh because of his behavior. He really could've been better written imo.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 23, 2019 8:55:06 GMT -5
I love him. He’s very unfairly judged in my opinion and is not as bad as people are making him out to be. Bullcrap to him being a “bad father”. He’s a very minor character now. Story doesn’t revolve around him so of course we won’t see him with his kits 24/7.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 23, 2019 12:56:31 GMT -5
I don't like him at all. He was cute as an apprentice, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 13:30:06 GMT -5
I love him. He’s very unfairly judged in my opinion and is not as bad as people are making him out to be. Bullcrap to him being a “bad father”. He’s a very minor character now. Story doesn’t revolve around him so of course we won’t see him with his kits 24/7. You misjudge on what others Fans' expectations are of Greystripe. Dustpelt, Birchfall, Brackenfur, cloudtail etc. are all minor characters and not every appearance is an interaction with their kits - Yet still considered good fathers by the majority of the fandom. We don't want them around their kits 24/7 A.K.A helicopters parents like Nightcloud. However, Greystripe literally does nothing for his 2nd family when Briarlight crippled. Besides from, instantly after Briarpaw's accident and her death - There are no scenes of Greystripe caring for Briarlight or comforting his two others kits while Millie was busy.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 23, 2019 13:39:04 GMT -5
I love him. He’s very unfairly judged in my opinion and is not as bad as people are making him out to be. Bullcrap to him being a “bad father”. He’s a very minor character now. Story doesn’t revolve around him so of course we won’t see him with his kits 24/7. You misjudge on what others Fans' expectations are of Greystripe. Dustpelt, Birchfall, Brackenfur, cloudtail etc. are all minor characters and not every appearance is an interaction with their kits - Yet still considered good fathers by the majority of the fandom. We don't want them around their kits 24/7 A.K.A helicopters parents like Nightcloud. However, Greystripe literally does nothing for his 2nd family when Briarlight crippled. Besides instantly after Briarpaw's accident and her death - There are no scenes of Greystripe caring for Briarlight or comfort his two others kits while Millie was busy. Then where was Whitestorm with his kits? Where was Snowbush with his kits? Where was Lionheart with his kits? How many times was Thornclaw with his kits? Clearly Graystripe is not a bad father nor is he incapable of being a good father with how much he clearly loved Feathertail and Stormfur. Why would that possibly change? It’s obviously because he is not focused on. If Graystripe was so awful and neglectful, why have the 3 B’s said nothing about it? Why isn’t Briarlight moping that he father doesn’t care for her? Why isn’t Bumblestripe angry at his father if he supposedly didn’t care? Parents don’t have to be around their kits 24/7, just like you said. But some parents are also fantastic parents without being constantly affectionate and around their kits. Graystripe has a lazy personality, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care for his kits. It just means he may let Millie do most of the consoling and scolding while he provides as a figure if his kits want to come to him. I’m sorry but I can’t possibly fathom Graystripe ever not caring for any of his kits because that would be so blantantly out of character from entire arcs we’ve seen in the past where he was a main character. He’s just in the background now, more than most, that’s all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 14:06:26 GMT -5
You misjudge on what others Fans' expectations are of Greystripe. Dustpelt, Birchfall, Brackenfur, cloudtail etc. are all minor characters and not every appearance is an interaction with their kits - Yet still considered good fathers by the majority of the fandom. We don't want them around their kits 24/7 A.K.A helicopters parents like Nightcloud. However, Greystripe literally does nothing for his 2nd family when Briarlight crippled. Besides instantly after Briarpaw's accident and her death - There are no scenes of Greystripe caring for Briarlight or comfort his two others kits while Millie was busy. Then where was Whitestorm with his kits? Where was Snowbush with his kits? Where was Lionheart with his kits? How many times was Thornclaw with his kits? Clearly Graystripe is not a bad father nor is he incapable of being a good father with how much he clearly loved Feathertail and Stormfur. Why would that possibly change? It’s obviously because he is not focused on. If Graystripe was so awful and neglectful, why have the 3 B’s said nothing about it? Why isn’t Briarlight moping that he father doesn’t care for her? Why isn’t Bumblestripe angry at his father if he supposedly didn’t care? Parents don’t have to be around their kits 24/7, just like you said. But some parents are also fantastic parents without being constantly affectionate and around their kits. Graystripe has a lazy personality, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care for his kits. It just means he may let Millie do most of the consoling and scolding while he provides as a figure if his kits want to come to him. I’m sorry but I can’t possibly fathom Graystripe ever not caring for any of his kits because that would be so blantantly out of character from entire arcs we’ve seen in the past where he was a main character. He’s just in the background now, more than most, that’s all. Whitestorm, Snowbush etc. parenting skills can't be commented on, like you said, weren't put into focus. However, Greystripe is a prominent character, you're understating just how important he is, even beyond the first arc: Prophecy Begins: Fireheart's best friend and Forbidden romance. New Prophecy: Deputy, only cat kidnapped by twolegs and issues caused by Firestar grieving. Power of Three: Greystripe's grand return and not becoming Deputy. Omen of the Stars: highly focused on Family drama. Every single member of Greystripe's family has a detailed character arc: Millie, Briarlight, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe. Blossomfall was feeling neglected, Millie was paranoid/stressed, Briarlight was overwhelmed, Bumblestripe distanced himself. It makes the reader wonder where the heck Greystripe is in all of this. Prime example: He didn't step in when Blossomfall was scolded after returning from the Tunnels. Where am I implying I want Greystripe to be around his kits 24/7? If he did that, he'd be a bad parent. I said I consider: Dustpelt, Birchfall, etc. good fathers and still they do reasonabilities outside of their kits. All I'm asking for Greystripe is to have 1+ moment, where he does something, anything for his kits during the Briarlight situation. But there is absolutely nothing. Not a single paragraph or sentence. Millie is often considered neglectful towards Blossomfall and Bumblestripe. At least, she's using the extra time to care for Briarlight with a life-threatening disability. Greystripe doesn't even do that. He's not pulling his weight despite his other kits, specially Blossomfall obviously needing him. Briarlight was already having the full attention of Millie and the Medicine cats. She didn't fuse when Blossomfall never tried caring for her, so neither would she for her father. It wouldn't be in-character for Bumblestripe to get angry like that. He's softly spoken, he almost always just put his head down during trouble with either Millie or Dovewing. I would like to believe this, but it's just not true. There's nothing to confirm this. Because there is nothing. During the whole 2nd half of Omen of the Stars, Greystripe doesn't scold/comfort Blossomfall, Briarlight or Millie when there's high tensions over a long period of time. The whole Thunderclan know about it. Greystripe has no excuse. Also, how is out of character for Greystripe not to be neglectful? It's the opposite, it's in character. Greystripe neglects Brackenpaw when he's in a forbidden relationship. When Greystripe joins Riverclan with his 1st litter - he knowingly gets himself exiled despite them still being in the nursery, the whole reason he left in the first place.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 23, 2019 14:10:28 GMT -5
Then where was Whitestorm with his kits? Where was Snowbush with his kits? Where was Lionheart with his kits? How many times was Thornclaw with his kits? Clearly Graystripe is not a bad father nor is he incapable of being a good father with how much he clearly loved Feathertail and Stormfur. Why would that possibly change? It’s obviously because he is not focused on. If Graystripe was so awful and neglectful, why have the 3 B’s said nothing about it? Why isn’t Briarlight moping that he father doesn’t care for her? Why isn’t Bumblestripe angry at his father if he supposedly didn’t care? Parents don’t have to be around their kits 24/7, just like you said. But some parents are also fantastic parents without being constantly affectionate and around their kits. Graystripe has a lazy personality, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care for his kits. It just means he may let Millie do most of the consoling and scolding while he provides as a figure if his kits want to come to him. I’m sorry but I can’t possibly fathom Graystripe ever not caring for any of his kits because that would be so blantantly out of character from entire arcs we’ve seen in the past where he was a main character. He’s just in the background now, more than most, that’s all. Whitestorm, Snowbush etc. parenting skills can't be commented on, like you said, weren't put into focus. However, is a prominent character, you're understating just how important he is, even beyond the first arc: Prophecy Begins: Fireheart's best friend and Forbidden romance. New Prophecy: Deputy, only cat kidnapped by twolegs and issues caused by Firestar grieving. Power of Three: Greystripe's grand return and not becoming Deputy. Omen of the Stars: highly focused on Family drama. Every single member of Greystripe's family has a detailed character arc: Millie, Briarlight, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe. Blossomfall was feeling neglected, Millie was paranoid/stressed, Briarlight was overwhelmed, Bumblestripe distanced himself. It makes the reader wonder where the heck Greystripe is in all of this. Prime example: He didn't step in when Blossomfall was scolded after returning from the Tunnels. Where am I implying I want Greystripe to be around his kits 24/7? If he did that, he'd be a bad parent. I said I consider: Dustpelt, Birchfall, etc. good fathers and still they do reasonabilities outside from their kits. All I'm asking for Greystripe is to have 1+ moment, where he does something, anything for his kits during the Briarlight situation. But there is absolutely nothing. Not a single paragraph or sentence. I would like to believe this, but it's just not true. There's nothing to confirm this. Because there is nothing. During the whole 2nd half of Omen of the Stars, Greystripe doesn't scold/comfort Blossomfall, Briarlight or Millie when there's high tensions over a long period of time. The whole Thunderclan know about it. Greystripe has no excuse. Also, how is out of character for Greystripe not to be neglectful? It's the opposite, it's in character. Greystripe neglects Brackenpaw when he's in a forbidden relationship. When Greystripe joins Riverclan with his 1st litter - he knowingly gets himself exiled despite them still being in the nursery, the whole reason he left in the first place. There’s nothing to confirm he was a neglectful father either. We can desire more interactions but he is a background character and he’s not going to be given that much attention anymore. Until Millie and her kits come out and say that Graystripe is a bad father or neglectful cat, I’m not buying it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 14:16:22 GMT -5
Whitestorm, Snowbush etc. parenting skills can't be commented on, like you said, weren't put into focus. However, is a prominent character, you're understating just how important he is, even beyond the first arc: Prophecy Begins: Fireheart's best friend and Forbidden romance. New Prophecy: Deputy, only cat kidnapped by twolegs and issues caused by Firestar grieving. Power of Three: Greystripe's grand return and not becoming Deputy. Omen of the Stars: highly focused on Family drama. Every single member of Greystripe's family has a detailed character arc: Millie, Briarlight, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe. Blossomfall was feeling neglected, Millie was paranoid/stressed, Briarlight was overwhelmed, Bumblestripe distanced himself. It makes the reader wonder where the heck Greystripe is in all of this. Prime example: He didn't step in when Blossomfall was scolded after returning from the Tunnels. Where am I implying I want Greystripe to be around his kits 24/7? If he did that, he'd be a bad parent. I said I consider: Dustpelt, Birchfall, etc. good fathers and still they do reasonabilities outside from their kits. All I'm asking for Greystripe is to have 1+ moment, where he does something, anything for his kits during the Briarlight situation. But there is absolutely nothing. Not a single paragraph or sentence. I would like to believe this, but it's just not true. There's nothing to confirm this. Because there is nothing. During the whole 2nd half of Omen of the Stars, Greystripe doesn't scold/comfort Blossomfall, Briarlight or Millie when there's high tensions over a long period of time. The whole Thunderclan know about it. Greystripe has no excuse. Also, how is out of character for Greystripe not to be neglectful? It's the opposite, it's in character. Greystripe neglects Brackenpaw when he's in a forbidden relationship. When Greystripe joins Riverclan with his 1st litter - he knowingly gets himself exiled despite them still being in the nursery, the whole reason he left in the first place. There’s nothing to confirm he was a neglectful father either. We can desire more interactions but he is a background character and he’s not going to be given that much attention anymore. Until Millie and her kits come out and say that Graystripe is a bad father or neglectful cat, I’m not buying it. Considering Greystripe's previous track record like with the Brackenpaw example, there's much more evidence he was neglectful than the opposite. Greystripe was always important during the first 4 arcs - If he supported his 2nd litter, the Books would of shown it. If he did step up more, Blossomfall's reaction probably wouldn't of been so extreme as to go into the Dark Forest training.
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Post by Fireleap on Feb 23, 2019 17:25:06 GMT -5
I think he's adorable, and I don't understand why there's so much controversy around his and Millie's relationship and kits. Yeah, he's not a great father to Blossom, Briar, and Bumble from what we've seen, but I don't think he's a bad father. He's just average.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Feb 25, 2019 12:24:32 GMT -5
I love him. He’s very unfairly judged in my opinion and is not as bad as people are making him out to be. Bullcrap to him being a “bad father”. He’s a very minor character now. Story doesn’t revolve around him so of course we won’t see him with his kits 24/7. This!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 25, 2019 14:04:36 GMT -5
I don't mind him. He could have been much worse tbh.
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Post by tigersdoroar on Feb 25, 2019 20:36:17 GMT -5
I'm neutral on him. From what I can remember, he's stayed pretty consistent character wise, and I appreciate that. However, I cannot stand his relationship with Millie, and that's mostly because I can't stand Millie. She comes off as very helpless to me, and Graystripe just seems to feed into it. Other than that, I feel like Graystripe has made his fair share of mistakes and has his good points as well, but he should've never been made deputy. I'm sort of glad he disappeared for awhile there. He would've made a very lazy leader.
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Post by Protractor on Feb 25, 2019 20:40:04 GMT -5
ALL HAIL THE IMORTAL
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Post by なんで私 on Feb 25, 2019 20:40:49 GMT -5
Hate him
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Post by Smokyyy on Feb 25, 2019 23:12:19 GMT -5
He was the first character I ever liked starting the series. I still liked Fire, but Gray for some reason just hit home for me? I hope he’s comfy in the elders den. 🙂
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