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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 16:44:50 GMT -5
My opinion on her changes often. I used to love her, then disliked her for acting like a spoiled brat, then neutral because I admired her for standing up for herself, then to like for being one of the most tolerable and useful StarClan members, and now she's back to neutral because I don't really care about her anymore.
And this topic is about Silverstream as a character, not Silver x Gray. We need more topics about just her as her own character because liking her for Silver x Gray is overrated. She's more than a romantic plot device, but she's wasted potential, which is sad.
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Post by scint on Feb 22, 2019 16:58:51 GMT -5
Not too fond of her tbh. Not exactly hate, but I sure as hell ain't neutral.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 22, 2019 16:59:29 GMT -5
I like her quite a bit I also like that she's a decent StarClan guide. On top of helping cats, she's also shown to have great respect for Millie and Graystripe
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 22, 2019 16:59:57 GMT -5
I like her a lot but not love
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 22, 2019 17:37:02 GMT -5
Found her annoying when she was alive, she came off as a spoiled brat to me.
She was a lot more bearable when she was a Starclan guide though. She's certainly more useful as a guide than Spottedstalker. Plus I really liked how she let Millie live because she wants Graystripe to be happy and not be alone and heartbroken again, and very much approves of them being together. Which is rather sweet of her and it made me like her instead of disliking her because she wasn't selfish... ya know, until TLH ruined that, thanks Erins. :/
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 22, 2019 17:50:49 GMT -5
i hated her when she was alive. as a starclan spirit, she's ACTUALLY helpful. but the last hope ruined it by making it seem like was EAGERLY waiting for graystripe to DIE and chose her over millie (his better mate!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 19:30:06 GMT -5
Found her annoying when she was alive, she came off as a spoiled brat to me. She was a lot more bearable when she was a Starclan guide though. She's certainly more useful as a guide than Spottedstalker. Plus I really liked how she let Millie live because she wants Graystripe to be happy and not be alone and heartbroken again, and very much approves of them being together. Which is rather sweet of her and it made me like her instead of disliking her because she wasn't selfish... ya know, until TLH ruined that, thanks Erins. :/ I love the name you gave to Spottedleaf. My nickname for her is Spottedshit.
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Post by Haze on Feb 22, 2019 19:48:04 GMT -5
Well she at least one of the most useful Starclan cats, the other is her daughter. But as a living cat, she was a potato.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 22, 2019 21:51:40 GMT -5
With how well Millie and Silverstream take each other, I think they'll both be able to have Graystripe and there is no choosing Like Gray Wing and Turtle Tail/Slate
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Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 22, 2019 22:25:08 GMT -5
I wasn't that much of a fan of her in TPB.
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Post by Fireleap on Feb 22, 2019 23:22:28 GMT -5
Eh, she's okay. Best recurring StarClan cat though.
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Bisexual
신성하지 않은 모든 것의 어머니
なんで私
Kpop isn't a choice, it's a lifestyle
Pronouns: She/Her/Demon Mom
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Post by なんで私 on Feb 22, 2019 23:50:27 GMT -5
One of the most useful StarClan cats in existence
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Post by sylveon on Feb 22, 2019 23:58:53 GMT -5
Found her annoying when she was alive, she came off as a spoiled brat to me. She was a lot more bearable when she was a Starclan guide though. She's certainly more useful as a guide than Spottedstalker. Plus I really liked how she let Millie live because she wants Graystripe to be happy and not be alone and heartbroken again, and very much approves of them being together. Which is rather sweet of her and it made me like her instead of disliking her because she wasn't selfish... ya know, until TLH ruined that, thanks Erins. :/ Wait, what happened in TLH that made her selfish? All I remember is her telling Gray she'll be waiting for him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 0:06:17 GMT -5
Found her annoying when she was alive, she came off as a spoiled brat to me. She was a lot more bearable when she was a Starclan guide though. She's certainly more useful as a guide than Spottedstalker. Plus I really liked how she let Millie live because she wants Graystripe to be happy and not be alone and heartbroken again, and very much approves of them being together. Which is rather sweet of her and it made me like her instead of disliking her because she wasn't selfish... ya know, until TLH ruined that, thanks Erins. :/ Wait, what happened in TLH that made her selfish? All I remember is her telling Gray she'll be waiting for him I think what fans mean is that Silver approved of Gray x Millie, but during the battle while Gray and Millie are still together, Silver says she'll be waiting for him which pretty much confirmed that Gray still has feelings for Silver and likely will leave Millie for her in StarClan when he dies. Gray looked excited to see Silver again, when we thought he moved on from her, making Millie x Gray a waste.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 23, 2019 0:37:33 GMT -5
Wait, what happened in TLH that made her selfish? All I remember is her telling Gray she'll be waiting for him I think what fans mean is that Silver approved of Gray x Millie, but during the battle while Gray and Millie are still together, Silver says she'll be waiting for him which pretty much confirmed that Gray still has feelings for Silver and likely will leave Millie for her in StarClan when he dies. Gray looked excited to see Silver again, when we thought he moved on from her, making Millie x Gray a waste. This, pretty much. There was literally no reason to write that in TLH imo. It makes it as if Graystripe will just choose Silverstream over Millie period, over the cat he's been mates with and committed to longer, the cat who gave up her previous life for him, and the cat Silver APPROVED of him being with in the first place. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I really hope that changes in the future because otherwise that's just ://////
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 12:51:12 GMT -5
I think what fans mean is that Silver approved of Gray x Millie, but during the battle while Gray and Millie are still together, Silver says she'll be waiting for him which pretty much confirmed that Gray still has feelings for Silver and likely will leave Millie for her in StarClan when he dies. Gray looked excited to see Silver again, when we thought he moved on from her, making Millie x Gray a waste. This, pretty much. There was literally no reason to write that in TLH imo. It makes it as if Graystripe will just choose Silverstream over Millie period, over the cat he's been mates with and committed to longer, and the cat Silver APPROVED of him being with in the first place. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I really hope that changes in the future because otherwise that's just :////// I know people are gonna be happy because they're "The original" and that Millie didn't deserve a mate because she's a bad parent and blah blah but it's honestly a jerk move if he goes for Silver because Millie sacrificed everything for him. Fans can act passive-aggressive and debate this all they want, Gray will officially be a jerk if he ditches Millie for Silver. It's messed up. Gray x Silver fans, debate and act aggressive all y'all want, you're not changing my mind. Really don't care.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 23, 2019 12:57:29 GMT -5
Ya’ll are broke thinking it should be either Gray x Silver or Gray x Millie while I’m over here woke supporting GraySilverMillie, where Millie and Silver fall in love with eachother in Starclan because they both think the other is beautiful and amazing and Graystripe has two mates who love him and eachother.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 23, 2019 13:57:08 GMT -5
This, pretty much. There was literally no reason to write that in TLH imo. It makes it as if Graystripe will just choose Silverstream over Millie period, over the cat he's been mates with and committed to longer, and the cat Silver APPROVED of him being with in the first place. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I really hope that changes in the future because otherwise that's just :////// I know people are gonna be happy because they're "The original" and that Millie didn't deserve a mate because she's a bad parent and blah blah but it's honestly a jerk move if he goes for Silver because Millie sacrificed everything for him. Fans can act passive-aggressive and debate this all they want, Gray will officially be a jerk if he ditches Millie for Silver. It's messed up. Gray x Silver fans, debate and act aggressive all y'all want, you're not changing my mind. Really don't care. As I stated, since Silver clearly approves of Millie, I don't think she'll make him choose. Millie and her will probably get along, and he'll get both of his she cats. Of course she's excited to see Graystripe in Starclan because she loved him, but I don't think she'd push Millie out either
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Post by sylveon on Feb 23, 2019 16:36:32 GMT -5
I think what fans mean is that Silver approved of Gray x Millie, but during the battle while Gray and Millie are still together, Silver says she'll be waiting for him which pretty much confirmed that Gray still has feelings for Silver and likely will leave Millie for her in StarClan when he dies. Gray looked excited to see Silver again, when we thought he moved on from her, making Millie x Gray a waste. This, pretty much. There was literally no reason to write that in TLH imo. It makes it as if Graystripe will just choose Silverstream over Millie period, over the cat he's been mates with and committed to longer, and the cat Silver APPROVED of him being with in the first place. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I really hope that changes in the future because otherwise that's just :////// Hm. I guess I never thought of it that way. I always just imagined it being gray x silver x Millie once they both passed. I've never really understood the whole "choosing one mate over another" after death thing. I can definitely see how it leaves a bad feeling (especially since in Millie's situation I would be very bitter) I do however think it's a bit unfair to Silverstream to call her selfish, when Feathertail has essentially done the same thing with Crowfeather, and no one trashed her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 17:52:55 GMT -5
Ya’ll are broke thinking it should be either Gray x Silver or Gray x Millie while I’m over here woke supporting GraySilverMillie, where Millie and Silver fall in love with eachother in Starclan because they both think the other is beautiful and amazing and Graystripe has two mates who love him and eachother. Personally I ship Silver x Millie because they deserve each other than Graystripe.
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 23, 2019 17:53:48 GMT -5
This, pretty much. There was literally no reason to write that in TLH imo. It makes it as if Graystripe will just choose Silverstream over Millie period, over the cat he's been mates with and committed to longer, and the cat Silver APPROVED of him being with in the first place. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I really hope that changes in the future because otherwise that's just :////// Hm. I guess I never thought of it that way. I always just imagined it being gray x silver x Millie once they both passed. I've never really understood the whole "choosing one mate over another" after death thing. I can definitely see how it leaves a bad feeling (especially since in Millie's situation I would be very bitter) I do however think it's a bit unfair to Silverstream to call her selfish, when Feathertail has essentially done the same thing with Crowfeather, and no one trashed her. The thing is however, Kate stated back then Graystripe will choose Silver over Millie when he gets to Starclan and that's what bothers me so much. It goes off the "First love always wins" deal which is a bunch of bullshit in of itself and isn't true. Especially given we haven't heard of a change of opinion on that. So until I hear something about it, it's gonna forever leave a bad taste in my mouth. Crowfeather's a sorta different case as when it comes to it, him and Leafpool's relationship with the way it's written comes off as much less genuine and more forced than his relationship with Feathertail as a whole (Not to mention Leafpool should've known better than to get with him in the first place considering she's a Med Cat). Not only that, Crowfeather still shows to love Feathertail even long after her death, and he pretty much projected Feather onto Leaf anyways. He never really had a proper "relationship" with anyone after she died, and she was the one cat he had a developed relationship with to begin with. Which is why I can see him choosing Feather in the end, if you compare his relationship to that like Leafpool's, or Nightcloud's, which were just disastrous in comparison, her and Crow feel more genuine. Plus Feathertail doesn't especially pop up in the middle of a battle telling Crowfeather than she'll be waiting for him in the afterlife while he was in a relationship (As bad as Crow x Night is, it'd add double salt to Nightcloud's wounds given she was jealous and insecure about Leafpool possibly stealing her man as is). If I were Millie, and I saw Graystripe and Silverstream having that moment while I was still with him, we'd certainly be having some problems. With Graystripe it's literally a case of him choosing over a cat who gave up her previous life for him to be with him and everything, was with him longer, had a family with him, and there isn't anything really complicating their relationship either. This was the exact same sorta bullshit they forced FireSand to have even though you know damn well it wouldn't make sense for him to choose the highschool crush-esque cat over the one he was literally committed to for years (And it's why as much as I dislike Vicky, I'll take her reason for killing Spottedbitch (That being showing she was a better cat or something, Which hasn't changed my harsh opinion on the character given how it was written but either way) WAY over Kate's reason being "so he didn't have to choose" which was just... no. I have to bleach my mind clean every time I make myself remember that.). But no, apparently Gray still has feelings for Silver and was even stated by the writer of TLH herself to choose her over Millie when he dies because.... ????? And we haven't had any change of opinion about it otherwise. So yeah, I'm salty about it. Chances are Kate might've changed her mind since back then but until we get something saying he'll have both Silver and Millie in Starclan, or at the very least will choose the latter over the former for reasons that are super obvious, I'll forever be angry about this. (Sorry for ranting, I rant when I'm salty, and I probably didn't explain it the way I wanted to)
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 23, 2019 18:07:01 GMT -5
I like her as a cat, but much less as a character or love interest. I do have problems with her telling Graystripe that she was still waiting for him, though. Of course, it's possible to have more than one love at a time, but the scene still felt wrong to me somehow. That said, I don't really have any particular preference to what happens in the afterlife so long as all three cats find peace with one another.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 23, 2019 18:13:04 GMT -5
Brindlefern, the funny thing is, Kate said that in relation to who Crowfeather would be with in StarClan, not Graystripe. And even then, in both cases, she only said what she believed, so neither is necessarily confirmed. That said, she actually may have changed her mind since then, or was probably joking the first time. After all, she was also the same author who thought that Gray Wing was with both Slate and Turtle Tail in StarClan.
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Bisexual
dnacat
But courage need not be remembered, for it is never forgotten.
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Post by dnacat on Feb 23, 2019 18:39:30 GMT -5
I always found her a bit bland. She saved Greystripe once, they both got the hots for each-other, and bam she was a love interest. She was cute with him, sure, but she is a huge reason Greystripe became an a-hole for some of the first arc, and she had like. no character other than "Greystripe's hot RiverClan gf". But after she died she improved quite a bit, had actual time to reveal and work on her character, so I like afterlife her quite a bit.
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Asexual
#ca55a0
Name Colour
Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт
Rebel Queen
Art by Nicoletta Baldari
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Feb 24, 2019 2:17:11 GMT -5
I like her a little bit, but I really wish she had more personality than being Graystripe’s lost mate and Stormfur and Feathertail’s missing mom.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 24, 2019 3:22:07 GMT -5
Honestly, she was a cat ahead of her time. She knew the warrior code had flaws, but died quite early, before she could even voice her opinions over it to other clans. She's a good cat, with a good heart, very kind and sweet, but also spunky and fiery. I think she deserved better than what was handed to her, but she was as interesting as she was alive in StarClan as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:12:21 GMT -5
Hm. I guess I never thought of it that way. I always just imagined it being gray x silver x Millie once they both passed. I've never really understood the whole "choosing one mate over another" after death thing. I can definitely see how it leaves a bad feeling (especially since in Millie's situation I would be very bitter) I do however think it's a bit unfair to Silverstream to call her selfish, when Feathertail has essentially done the same thing with Crowfeather, and no one trashed her. The thing is however, Kate stated back then Graystripe will choose Silver over Millie when he gets to Starclan and that's what bothers me so much. It goes off the "First love always wins" deal which is a bunch of bullshit in of itself and isn't true. Especially given we haven't heard of a change of opinion on that. So until I hear something about it, it's gonna forever leave a bad taste in my mouth. Crowfeather's a sorta different case as when it comes to it, him and Leafpool's relationship with the way it's written comes off as much less genuine and more forced than his relationship with Feathertail as a whole (Not to mention Leafpool should've known better than to get with him in the first place considering she's a Med Cat). Not only that, Crowfeather still shows to love Feathertail even long after her death, and he pretty much projected Feather onto Leaf anyways. He never really had a proper "relationship" with anyone after she died, and she was the one cat he had a developed relationship with to begin with. Which is why I can see him choosing Feather in the end, if you compare his relationship to that like Leafpool's, or Nightcloud's, which were just disastrous in comparison, her and Crow feel more genuine. Plus Feathertail doesn't especially pop up in the middle of a battle telling Crowfeather than she'll be waiting for him in the afterlife while he was in a relationship (As bad as Crow x Night is, it'd add double salt to Nightcloud's wounds given she was jealous and insecure about Leafpool possibly stealing her man as is). If I were Millie, and I saw Graystripe and Silverstream having that moment while I was still with him, we'd certainly be having some problems. With Graystripe it's literally a case of him choosing over a cat who gave up her previous life for him to be with him and everything, was with him longer, had a family with him, and there isn't anything really complicating their relationship either. This was the exact same sorta bullshit they forced FireSand to have even though you know damn well it wouldn't make sense for him to choose the highschool crush-esque cat over the one he was literally committed to for years (And it's why as much as I dislike Vicky, I'll take her reason for killing Spottedbitch (That being showing she was a better cat or something, Which hasn't changed my harsh opinion on the character given how it was written but either way) WAY over Kate's reason being "so he didn't have to choose" which was just... no. I have to bleach my mind clean every time I make myself remember that.). But no, apparently Gray still has feelings for Silver and was even stated by the writer of TLH herself to choose her over Millie when he dies because.... ????? And we haven't had any change of opinion about it otherwise. So yeah, I'm salty about it. Chances are Kate might've changed her mind since back then but until we get something saying he'll have both Silver and Millie in Starclan, or at the very least will choose the latter over the former for reasons that are super obvious, I'll forever be angry about this. (Sorry for ranting, I rant when I'm salty, and I probably didn't explain it the way I wanted to)About the Fire x Sand thing, it really pissed me off when they killed off Spottedleaf just so "Firestar wouldn't have to choose between her and Sandstorm". And I know she was also killed to see the better side of her, but I am pretty certain I remember hearing the other reason somewhere too. It's like the Erins forgot that Firestar's Quest existed. Spottedleaf backed off after Firestar told her that he loved Sandstorm, and that he'd choose her over Spottedleaf. So yeah. "First love always wins" is bullshit. That's not a good enough of a reason for the first love to be picked first. And if they really loved them then I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem with it like how Silverstream didn't mind Graystripe being with Millie.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 24, 2019 11:48:24 GMT -5
About the Fire x Sand thing, it really pissed me off when they killed off Spottedleaf just so "Firestar wouldn't have to choose between her and Sandstorm". And I know she was also killed to see the better side of her, but I am pretty certain I remember hearing the other reason somewhere too. Kate was the one who said that on her blog, and while Vicky also said it in her confidential notes, Firestar not having to choose was more of a bonus, at least as far as the latter was concerned. That wasn't the main goal, but just something that came along with trying to make Spottedleaf look good (now, whether or not they succeeded is a different story entirely).
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 25, 2019 3:47:26 GMT -5
Graystripe is literally the one that calls after Silverstream, not wanting her to leave? And Silverstream is the one who says she'll be waiting for him. (It also wasn't in the middle of the battle, it was over at that point and Silver was helping cats move on. StarClan didn't show up just to play catch up, they were there to help fight against the Dark Forest, so her being there wasn't random or anything. Compared to how Spottedleaf willingly visited Firestar in his dreams.) This is why Gray x Millie shouldn't have been a thing and stayed as just friends, it doesn't make sense in the long run. Throughout Gray's saga, he literally talks about how much he loves Silver all the time. Then suddenly he has feelings for Millie, Silverstream was even the one who encouraged him to be with Millie. And then later she saves Millie and Briar when they get sick and almost die, so Gray doesn't have to go through that same trauma he did with her. She obviously loves and cares about him, even if he's with another she-cat, they were mates, after all, it makes sense. It's not the same as Spottedleaf and Firestar, considering they were never a thing and had little to no real interactions. Whereas GraySilver is mostly offscreen, makes sense cause they're both side characters, there was no excuse not to flesh out SpottedFire to make it more believable. FireCinder is literally more believable than SpottedFire.
I don't even care for SandFire either, but the fact that they killed off Spottedleaf just so Firestar wouldn't have to choose between Sand and Spotted honestly makes no sense. With Gray choosing Silver over Millie, sure, even if the later has more on-screen time, makes sense because Gray's arc obviously revolved around him. But it doesn't change that throughout his saga he still was very much in love with Silverstream, and obviously her death traumatized him, he's not going to easily move on from that willy nilly just because he's got a new mate and kits. Also, Silver and Gray were in it for the long run, Graystripe and her were committed to one another, they were planning to have kits, it's implied Silver would have even left RiverClan to be with Graystripe. And when she died, Graystripe left TC to be with his kits, and only came back because he was exiled for not attacking/killing his best friend.
Graystripe choosing Silver over Millie, imo makes sense. Being with someone longer =/= same type of emotional chemistry. Crowfeather was with Nightcloud longer than both Leafpool and Feathertail, they raised a child together, and nothing still came out of that.
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