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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 21:50:12 GMT -5
Besides the "I want Bumble x Rose because he deserves better and Dovewing sucks" reason, what other reason is there that people want this couple to happen? To me, Bumble clearly isn't ready for a mate, as he seemed obsessed with Dovewing and kept harassing her for kits. But is there any proper development between these two that made people ship them? The only time I can remember, is when Rosepetal snapped at Dovewing for being mean at him, but I can't remember any other hint of Bumble x Rose. It feels like it's similar to Ice x Lion, where it was hinted Ice had a crush but was never mentioned since. I never understood Bumble x Rose, and I feel Bumble needs to be single before he's ready to move onto another mate.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 13, 2019 21:54:23 GMT -5
Idk, I'm personally leaning more to Bumble x Cherry, because I'm not much of a fan of Rosepetal, but then again, anyone is better than manipulative Dovewing. *shrugs*
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 13, 2019 21:55:53 GMT -5
Quick question with this that you keep mentioning as a reason for him to not have a mate... Excluding the SS bonus scene which was clearly character butchering to make Tigerfart better in comparison, since when has Bumblestripe been written to actually pressure Dove for kits outside that?
Because as I can remember, it was characters like Ivypool pushing the idea of kits with Bumble on her sister, and Cinderheart has hinted to setting them up ala matchmaker too. It's Dovewing's fault for not openly telling him to back off to begin with (This is coming from me and I LOVE Dovewing!), but as soon as she was seen carrying another cats' kits he backed off and didn't do anything else, he didn't guilt trip her or nothing, despite being upset, but it makes damn well lot of sense for him to be and that's Okay. Bumblestripe isn't some obsessive clingy monster like you're making him out to be, he's not even close to Ashfur or even Finleap level so it's best you didn't exaggerate it to seem that way.
Dovewing isn't innocent here. She strung Bumblestripe along despite loving Tigerfart. My reasoning for him deserving someone who truly loves him is because HE DOES. Bumble's a good cat and he got used, I genuinely felt bad for the guy and yes He fricking deserved better.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 13, 2019 22:01:22 GMT -5
I feel like people overexhaggerate Bumble’s actions to make him seem like some obsessive monster when Dovewing literally could have opened her mouth and told him she wasn’t interested in him anymore. Bumblestripe does easily end up backing off from Dovewing when he realizes she clearly wants nothing to do with him. Then she comes trotting along with the Shadowclan leader and strolls into Thunderclan camp with their kits, when the entire time with Bumblestripe she acts like kits are the last thing she’ll ever want.
So honestly it’s understandable why he’d be just the slightest bit upset. I’d be pissed too. But even then, he still accepts her decisions and wants her to be happy. He still tells her that he hopes she is happy with the tom she mooned after while she literally strung him along.
Usually I do not side with the cat asking for kits like this, but in this case I honestly saw it as Bumblestripe believing Dovewing felt as deeply for him as he felt for her, and he hoped for kits and tried to see if she would want them too. But Dovewing doesn’t communicate for crap, and clearly was not capable of literally telling him that she did not want him or kits. She hardly says anything in these books and blocks him out. I honestly feel bad for Bumblestripe.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 13, 2019 22:02:37 GMT -5
If anyone shouldn't have been given a another mate so soon, it should have been Dovewing, I'm honestly tired of people thinking Dovewing was the innocent one in all of this. When she's he one who used Bumble to get over Tiger, then dumped him like a hot potato with no explanation as to why. And then suddenly shows up after running away with another tom's kits. Not to mention she literally flirted with Tigerheart in front of everyone while he was with them in TC, it was so obvious it wasn't even funny. And then later forced Tiger to choose between his dying clan and her, while putting her unborn kits in danger. Dovewing shouldn't have been thrown into another relationship considering how selfish and manipulative she is still, she's not mature enough for a relationship.
On the other hand Bumble, and even Tiger, deserve better, and I don't even care nor like them either.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2019 22:06:35 GMT -5
I never understood this pairing, either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 22:07:52 GMT -5
Quick question with this that you keep mentioning as a reason for him to not have a mate... Excluding the SS bonus scene which was clearly character butchering to make Tigerfart better in comparison, since when has Bumblestripe been written to actually pressure Dove for kits outside that? Because as I can remember, it was characters like Ivypool pushing the idea of kits with Bumble on her sister, and Cinderheart has hinted to setting them up ala matchmaker too. Bumblestripe isn't some obsessive clingy monster like you're making him out to be, he's not even close to Ashfur level so it's best you didn't exaggerate it to seem that way. Bumblestripe wouldn't shut up about having kits in the Shattered Sky bonus scene. I know he was mostly ruined just to make Tiger x Dove look good, but it still doesn't excuse the fact that he asked for kits at the wrong time and kept telling her to just "think about it" if I remember correctly.
And yeah, Bumblestripe is obsessive and clearly not ready for a mate. Have you forgotten how clingy and weird he was in BrS? While I can understand his concern for Dovewing, he acted REALLY weird at times when he whispered into her ear or something about having kits and she backed away.
There's also times when he ALWAYS wanted Dovewing with him, even when Graystripe was grieving over his best friend in Dovewing's Silence.
I understand him wanting to spend time with her during a dinner hang out or something but there's a fine line when it comes to something personal like Gray grieving over his best friend and needing his son's support.
The only times I do understand and support his actions is when he's concerned about Dovewing after losing her powers in BrS, and I even get why he's mad at her for leaving ThunderClan. But it's harassment when you're constantly asking for kits when YOU'RE NOT EVEN TOGETHER ANYMORE (I'm not mad, just making a point)
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 13, 2019 22:07:55 GMT -5
As for why I like BumbleRose, I just do I guess. Seems fitting.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 13, 2019 22:11:18 GMT -5
Quick question with this that you keep mentioning as a reason for him to not have a mate... Excluding the SS bonus scene which was clearly character butchering to make Tigerfart better in comparison, since when has Bumblestripe been written to actually pressure Dove for kits outside that? Because as I can remember, it was characters like Ivypool pushing the idea of kits with Bumble on her sister, and Cinderheart has hinted to setting them up ala matchmaker too. Bumblestripe isn't some obsessive clingy monster like you're making him out to be, he's not even close to Ashfur level so it's best you didn't exaggerate it to seem that way. Ivypool supporting the idea of Dove being with Bumble isn't even farfetched though. She and Bumble surprisingly have a lot of scenes together, the two of them are good friends, better friends than she ever was with Blossomfall. So it makes sense that Ivypool would support her friend being with her sister. Especially considering that like Bumble, Dove led her to believe she was into him too. Bumble also came to her about his insecurities and feelings toward her sister, and Ivy thought logically he was the better choice because it was less of a hassle than her shacking up with Tigerheart. She was aware of their on and off forbidden romance and never approved of it, because she also worried about her sister, especially considering Tiger was also a DF trainee. And when it comes to the bonus scene, Ivypool was basically telling her sister if shes so desperate for love, that she should look for it in her own clan and not constantly running off to see Tigerheart and breaking the warrior code. Unlike Dovewing, Ivypool was shown to be very loyal to TC in her warrior years, so it makes sense.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 13, 2019 22:19:13 GMT -5
As for Bumblestripe wanting to be with Dovewing, he genuinely did love her. It wasn't obsessive like some are making it out to be, he just honestly thought he still had a chance with her. Because unlike Ivypool, Bumble and the rest of the clan didn't know about Dovewing being with Tigerheart. This is why the rest of the clan always encouraged them to be a thing, or approved of them being together. Bumble wasn't aware there was even other competition, period. He already admitted to being unsure and insecure about winning Dovewing's heart, but he was encouraged by others to not give up. Dovewing however, was pretty horrible about it. When Bumble is just being genuinely nice or trying to help her, she uses him like a scratching post, and when he gets sick of it, she thinks it's fine until she's called out for it. The only reasons some people think he comes off as "obsessive" is because we're seeing him from Dovewing's POV, and we're aware that she's into Tigerheart, but Bumble doesn't. But what happens when Bumble sees her with another tom and kits with him too?? She is upset, understandably, he and Dovewing used to be mates, he used to think that she felt as deeply for him as he did for her, but she didn't, and was just using him. But in the end he wishes her happiness anyways, he really does deserve better.
And I may prefer CherryBumble, but Rose and Bumble do have another implied scene at the end of BrS, where Blossomfall and Rosepetal are talking about him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 22:20:25 GMT -5
We're all just gonna have to agree to disagree. I never said Dovewing was innocent, but Bumblestripe wasn't, either.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2019 22:21:02 GMT -5
Quick question with this that you keep mentioning as a reason for him to not have a mate... Excluding the SS bonus scene which was clearly character butchering to make Tigerfart better in comparison, since when has Bumblestripe been written to actually pressure Dove for kits outside that? Because as I can remember, it was characters like Ivypool pushing the idea of kits with Bumble on her sister, and Cinderheart has hinted to setting them up ala matchmaker too. It's Dovewing's fault for not openly telling him to back off to begin with (This is coming from me and I LOVE Dovewing!), but as soon as she was seen carrying another cats' kits he backed off and didn't do anything else, he didn't guilt trip her or nothing. Bumblestripe isn't some obsessive clingy monster like you're making him out to be, he's not even close to Ashfur level so it's best you didn't exaggerate it to seem that way. This is just my opinion, but just because it's clearly character butchering doesn't make it any less invalid as a reason to hold it against a certain character. It's incredibly annoying and I hate it when authors do this, but I can see where Gray is coming from. As for Bumblestripe being clingy, I think it has to with him padding too close to Dovewing in TLH and whispering that she'd make a great mother in BrS. Bumblestripe is in general a nice tom, but I can see why some would be turned off by this. He's nowhere near as bad as Ashfur, true, but that's about it. He's shown to be clingy to the point of being creepy and it's important to acknowledge this, regardless of what you thought of the scene because it still happened. Dovewing had her own faults in the relationship and Cinderheart and Ivypool and the other she-cats should've just stayed out of it if I'm being perfectly honest, but let's face it, even if Bumblestripe wasn't occasionally clingy, the relationship was never going to last long anyway and I'm glad it didn't. Not only did Dovewing use him to try to get over Tigerheart, but she very well could've felt pressured into becoming his mate well. It's a shame Foxleap's crush on her never actually went anywhere. Out of Dovewing's three love interests, I think I prefer him the most. And because we saw so little of it, it leads to alot of fanfic potential as an AU.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 13, 2019 22:24:28 GMT -5
Considering Bumble and Dove were mates, it makes sense that he'd want kits, and thought that Dove was in love with him as much as he was in love with her, considering she agreed to be his mate in the first place. How is Bumble supposed to know she was in love with another cat from another clan, and was only just using him to get over the other said tom, like?
No one forced her to be Bumble's mate, peer-pressure or not.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2019 22:39:01 GMT -5
Considering Bumble and Dove were mates, it makes sense that he'd want kits, and thought that Dove was in love with him as much as he was in love with her, considering she agreed to be his mate in the first place. How is Bumble supposed to know she was in love with another cat from another clan, and was only just using him to get over the other said tom, like? No one forced her to be Bumble's mate, peer-pressure or not. And you're completely missing my point here. Am I saying that Bumblestripe should've known? No. It's most certainly not his fault that he didn't know the true extent of Dovewing breaking up with him. And you're right, her becoming his mate was her choice, but this doesn't change what she might've felt. Ivypool teased her about them having kits, Whitewing's clearly thought he'd be a good match for her, Blossomfall teased that she had stolen his heart, Cinderheart suggested that she go on a walk with him, and Rosepetal scolded her for hurting his feelings. How do you expect her to react when so many cats around her at least implied that they them wanted to be together? And considering this is Dovewing we're talking about and that she was a young cat at the time, her actions make sense from her PoV. Let me be clear that this does NOT mean I am excusing her leading Bumblestripe on. I like her, but I acknowledge what she did was wrong. Just like how I acknowledge what probably led her to becoming Bumblestripe's mate in the first place. As I've said before on some other topics, it's important to acknowledge both the action and what led to it, regardless of what you think of the character.
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 13, 2019 22:46:46 GMT -5
I like Bumblestripe, but I'm not, like, raving for him (and as many know, I'm mostly neutral/lightly dislike when it comes to Dovewing). However, these misconceptions about his and Dovewing's behavior drives me crazy sometimes lol It's the same case with Hollyleaf's mental decline and announcement at the Gathering. Events blur together and people confuse important information.
In this case, I don't really wanna type it all up, so I'mma just quote past stuff I've said that debunks this "Bumblestripe was obsessed and Dovewing was always uncomfortable/never saw him as a mate/wasn't intentionally thinking multiple times how she felt more relaxed and happy with him opposed to her stressed time spent with Tigerheart" notion. People say Bumblestripe was obsessed with Dovewing, but if so, then you can say the return for Dovewing toward him, if that's your definition of "obsessed." They sought each other out equally, despite what many think.
(Not ragging on anyone specific here, by the way! ;p Just in general)
I can provide quotes for the stuff I mentioned, since I do still vaguely remember where they were in the books and can search them up.
Basically: Dovewing and Bumblestripe are at fault here, and blame being placed so much more squarely on his shoulders than hers is odd. I mean, many do agree they're equally to blame here, but those same many then teeter things out to blame him a little more than her.
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Post by kinkajou on Feb 13, 2019 22:51:49 GMT -5
Rosepetal seems to care about Bumblestripe a lot imo and it's not like we get much relationship development in background characters anyway, they could be hanging out a lot more behind the scenes
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2019 23:02:47 GMT -5
As for this pairing, by the way...I can't really imagine Bumblestripe with anyone, really. That's only because I just want him to be happy, so whoever makes him happy is fine by me. The only idea I can come up with for why the pairing sprang up was the end of Bramblestar's Storm, when I think Bramblestar overheard Blossomfall telling Rosepetal that she'd put in a good word for her with Bumblestripe, when Blossomfall (?) mentioned Dovewing and Bumblestripe were no longer together. I've seen a few people on tumblr/youtube say they thought it was cute, and perhaps that was why Rosepetal was upset with how Dovewing treated Bumblestripe. Oof. Unless I'm confusing Rosepetal with another she-cat. No, you're right, it was Rosepetal. It was only two scenes where she showed concern for Bumblestripe though, and the second time it was just Blossomfall teasing her in jest it seems. When it comes to scenes like this, I never take them seriously and it doesn't seem like anything has come out of it either. They went on patrol together at least once in TAQ, but that's about it. Until more is shown, I personally think people are looking too deep into it. And even if she did like him, Bumblestripe only seems to be interested in Dovewing. But who knows, this could very well change in the next arc. After all, the only suggestion of Thornclaw and Blossomfall liking each other was a single throwaway line in TLH and even then, they were just training together. Now they're mates. Maybe something similar will happen to Bumblestripe and Rosepetal.
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 13, 2019 23:34:28 GMT -5
As for this pairing, by the way...I can't really imagine Bumblestripe with anyone, really. That's only because I just want him to be happy, so whoever makes him happy is fine by me. The only idea I can come up with for why the pairing sprang up was the end of Bramblestar's Storm, when I think Bramblestar overheard Blossomfall telling Rosepetal that she'd put in a good word for her with Bumblestripe, when Blossomfall (?) mentioned Dovewing and Bumblestripe were no longer together. I've seen a few people on tumblr/youtube say they thought it was cute, and perhaps that was why Rosepetal was upset with how Dovewing treated Bumblestripe. Oof. Unless I'm confusing Rosepetal with another she-cat. No, you're right, it was Rosepetal. It was only two scenes where she showed concern for Bumblestripe though, and the second time it was just Blossomfall teasing her in jest it seems. When it comes to scenes like this, I never take them seriously and it doesn't seem like anything has come out of it either. They went on patrol together at least once in TAQ, but that's about it. Until more is shown, I personally think people are looking too deep into it. And even if she did like him, Bumblestripe only seems to be interested in Dovewing. But who knows, this could very well change in the next arc. After all, the only suggestion of Thornclaw and Blossomfall liking each other was a single throwaway line in TLH and even then, they were just training together. Now they're mates. Maybe something similar will happen to Bumblestripe and Rosepetal. I always think the same as you -- that scenes like that are throwaway lines, with friends and family teasing each other about crushes and stuff that don't amount to anything. One example that comes to mind was an apprentice scene in Fading Echoes. It was back when the three Bs were apprentices, and Briarlight teasingly said that she and Bumblestripe decided to head out hunting without Blossomfall, because she was too busy mooning over Toadstep. Along those lines, later in the Forgotten Warrior when Blossomfall gets upset with Bumblestripe for pairing with Dovewing during training, she angrily goes over to Toadstep and partners with him. Lastly, she and Toadstep escort Jayfeather to the Moonpool. Not much interaction in any of the scenes, even in the last one, iirc. So in this case, I figured Briarlight was just messing with her sister. But then like you said, they paired Thornclaw with Blossomfall, and I definitely did not see that coming. I don't mind it like some do, because they were both full grown, and (...not that we saw) it wasn't like he was creeping on her when she was a kit or even apprentice. So it wasn't the worst thing to happen, but it was certainly out of left field. I can't even recall them patrolling together except that one scene. If they do put Bumblestripe with Rosepetal, more power to them, I guess. In a way, those three perceived hints for BumbleRose in the past two arcs would be more hints toward a romantic relationship than we've had for some background mates in a while :'D
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Post by sylveon on Feb 14, 2019 0:16:34 GMT -5
I personally think Bumble deserves a better mate than Dovewing, and I actually like Dovewing. Bumble kinda had a soft spot in my heart because of the fact that he seemed a little more...I don't know, less aggressively masculine than a lot of other toms in the series. Their relationship was never my favorite and I don't think they would have ever worked out, Tiger or no Tiger.
I also don't think she used Bumble, I think she honestly tried to move on and had some feelings for him but realized they just weren't as strong as they should have been so she ended it. I personally just think Tiger was a better fit for Dove, even if their romance first felt like a high school first-love thing (fading echoes/Night whispers). She tried to move on and do the right thing, but you can't fault her for following her own heart in the end.
As for Bumble x Rose, i think it just makes sense to me. It seems like it would be kind of cute, but Bumble x any background character would be cute and a chance for a she-cat to get some character development. (Ambermoon, Hollytuft, Sorrelstripe, Honeyfur...) I don't think he was a monster, especially not close to Ashfur or even Finleap. I think he was rightfully insecure, I'm sure he had some idea of Dove being in love with someone, maybe not necessarily Tiger. His hurt and anger is justified, and i don't blame him for a second.
TDLR; Dove was never the right mate for him and he could do way better, and deserves a mate who is truly and 100% faithful to him.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Feb 14, 2019 2:28:28 GMT -5
Rosepetal seems to care about Bumblestripe a lot imo and it's not like we get much relationship development in background characters anyway, they could be hanging out a lot more behind the scenes took the words right out of my mouth! rosepetal did seem to care about him, and the fact she wanted to defend him against dovewing would be basis for any shipping to happen. fans ship anything with a smidge of interaction tbh. but yes, bumblestripe always did deserve better...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 6:15:19 GMT -5
After reading the Thread, I've just seen a sad irony when it comes to certain fans expectations. Which I'm specifically referring to Ashfur and Squirrelflight. On this forum, People are frustrated at Dovewing for 'stringing Bumblestripe along' and rightfully so. All this, due to lack of communication on her part. However, the main difference when it comes to AshXSquirrel, she actually took initiative/right thing by explaining her feelings to Ashfur before ever becoming official mates with him. However, Ashfur fans are angry at her for "not trying him out". However, if Squirrelflight did do this, people would be accusing her of the exact same thing Dovewing did - Pretending to love their official mates while wanting to be with someone else. It's a lose-lose situation. No matter what Squirrelflight does: Distance herself from him, be honest with him while remaining friends, trying him out, etc. Fans will still accuse her of manipulating Ashfur, despite having no control that he ever had romantic feelings for her. Wow- That's pretty bad.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Feb 14, 2019 8:16:22 GMT -5
Quick question with this that you keep mentioning as a reason for him to not have a mate... Excluding the SS bonus scene which was clearly character butchering to make Tigerfart better in comparison, since when has Bumblestripe been written to actually pressure Dove for kits outside that? Because as I can remember, it was characters like Ivypool pushing the idea of kits with Bumble on her sister, and Cinderheart has hinted to setting them up ala matchmaker too. It's Dovewing's fault for not openly telling him to back off to begin with (This is coming from me and I LOVE Dovewing!), but as soon as she was seen carrying another cats' kits he backed off and didn't do anything else, he didn't guilt trip her or nothing. Bumblestripe isn't some obsessive clingy monster like you're making him out to be, he's not even close to Ashfur level so it's best you didn't exaggerate it to seem that way. Dovewing isn't innocent here. She strung Bumblestripe along despite loving Tigerfart. My reasoning for him deserving someone who truly loves him is because HE DOES. Bumble's a good cat and he got used, I genuinely felt bad for the guy and yes He fricking deserved better.If I could marry this comment I would.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Feb 14, 2019 9:25:46 GMT -5
After reading the Thread, I've just seen a sad irony when it comes to certain fans expectations. Which I'm specifically referring to Ashfur and Squirrelflight. On this forum, People are frustrated at Dovewing for 'stringing Bumblestripe along' and rightfully so. All this, due to lack of communication on her part. However, the main difference when it comes to AshXSquirrel, she actually took initiative/right thing by explaining her feelings to Ashfur before ever becoming official mates with him. However, Ashfur fans are angry at her for "not trying him out". However, if Squirrelflight did do this, people would be accusing her of the exact same thing Dovewing did - Pretending to love their official mates while wanting to be with someone else. It's a lose-lose situation. No matter what Squirrelflight does: Distance herself from him, be honest with him while remaining friends, trying him out, etc. Fans will still accuse her of manipulating Ashfur, despite having no control that he ever had romantic feelings for her. Wow- That's pretty bad. Okay, but Dovewing is still pretty fricking wrong here. If she had done what Squirrelflight did, I wouldn't blame her. And if it was reversed, I would have been mad at Squirrelflight. Squirrelflight was in the right and Dovewing is in the wrong. Squirrelflight also didn't get wishy washy somewhat romantic like Dovewing did. But then again, Dovewing has been shown to be a manipulator and quite selfish, so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:52:20 GMT -5
After reading the Thread, I've just seen a sad irony when it comes to certain fans expectations. Which I'm specifically referring to Ashfur and Squirrelflight. On this forum, People are frustrated at Dovewing for 'stringing Bumblestripe along' and rightfully so. All this, due to lack of communication on her part. However, the main difference when it comes to AshXSquirrel, she actually took initiative/right thing by explaining her feelings to Ashfur before ever becoming official mates with him. However, Ashfur fans are angry at her for "not trying him out". However, if Squirrelflight did do this, people would be accusing her of the exact same thing Dovewing did - Pretending to love their official mates while wanting to be with someone else. It's a lose-lose situation. No matter what Squirrelflight does: Distance herself from him, be honest with him while remaining friends, trying him out, etc. Fans will still accuse her of manipulating Ashfur, despite having no control that he ever had romantic feelings for her. Wow- That's pretty bad. Okay, but Dovewing is still pretty fricking wrong here. If she had done what Squirrelflight did, I wouldn't blame her. And if it was reversed, I would have been mad at Squirrelflight. Squirrelflight was in the right and Dovewing is in the wrong. Squirrelflight also didn't get wishy washy somewhat romantic like Dovewing did. But then again, Dovewing has been shown to be a manipulator and quite selfish, so. Ashfur Fangirls' demands of Squirrelflight is just confusing. No matter Squirrelflight does, it will never please Ashfur's fan. Because it requires Squirrelflight and Ashfur to be a happy romantic couple. Which is impossible. Considering Squirrelflight can't control her feelings and Ashfur shown to have abusive characteristics. In canon, Squirrelflight hated for rejecting Ashfur's advances since she's not in love with him. And the Dovewing example showed, if she did the exact opposite, Squirrelflight also get hated by Fangirls for lying to Ashfur. It's just unfair expectations of her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:47:30 GMT -5
Ashfur Fangirls' demands of Squirrelflight is just confusing. No matter Squirrelflight does, it will never please Ashfur's fan. Because it requires Squirrelflight and Ashfur to be a happy romantic couple. Which is impossible. Considering Squirrelflight can't control her feelings and Ashfur shown to have abusive characteristics. In canon, Squirrelflight hated for rejecting Ashfur's advances since she's not in love with him. And the Dovewing example showed, if she did the exact opposite, Squirrelflight also get hated by Fangirls for lying to Ashfur. It's just unfair expectations of her. I've noticed the situations about Dove x Bumble/ Squirrel x Ash are rather similar. Glad I wasn't the only one to see that. Not saying Bumble is similar to Ashfur, but fans' reactions are similar. Dove and Bumble both aren't innocent and I never said she was but it seems people ignored that. If someone compares Bumblestripe, who could be deemed clingy at worst, to Ashfur, an attempted mass murderers, would a massive exaggeration.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:50:09 GMT -5
Okay, but Dovewing is still pretty fricking wrong here. If she had done what Squirrelflight did, I wouldn't blame her. And if it was reversed, I would have been mad at Squirrelflight. Squirrelflight was in the right and Dovewing is in the wrong. Squirrelflight also didn't get wishy washy somewhat romantic like Dovewing did. But then again, Dovewing has been shown to be a manipulator and quite selfish, so. Ashfur Fangirls' demands of Squirrelflight is just confusing. No matter Squirrelflight does, it will never please Ashfur's fan. Because it requires Squirrelflight and Ashfur to be a happy romantic couple. Which is impossible. Considering Squirrelflight can't control her feelings and Ashfur shown to have abusive characteristics. In canon, Squirrelflight hated for rejecting Ashfur's advances since she's not in love with him. And the Dovewing example showed, if she did the exact opposite, Squirrelflight also get hated by Fangirls for lying to Ashfur. It's just unfair expectations of her. Honestly it's lack of communication on both ends of Squirrelflight and Dovewing. Neither cats manipulated Ash/Bumble; they both thought they liked him but it never turned out that way. The only difference is that Dovewing truly used Bumblestripe while Squirrelflight never did. Bumble is rightfully angry at her about everything but this doesn't excuse his own behavior. Dovewing should have just tried to move on her own. I think somewhere in the wiki it even said she broke up with him because it wasn't fair to string him along or something? She ain't perfect by any means but I don't see her as a manipulator. She just doesn't handle shit right.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 14, 2019 14:51:35 GMT -5
I agree with most everyone else here Bumblestripe was no where near Ashfur level bad. And he's been shown to respectfully back off when he realizes Dovewing is with another tom, even though he's disappointed (WHICH IS OKAY)
Bumblestripe was only butchered for Tigerheat, and isn't a bad cat at all. He definitely deserves a good mate. Dovewing is the one who needed to be single for awhile to mature.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:51:42 GMT -5
I've noticed the situations about Dove x Bumble/ Squirrel x Ash are rather similar. Glad I wasn't the only one to see that. Not saying Bumble is similar to Ashfur, but fans' reactions are similar. Dove and Bumble both aren't innocent and I never said she was but it seems people ignored that. If someone compares Bumblestripe, who could be deemed clingy at worst, to Ashfur, an attempted mass murderers, would a massive exaggeration. Bumblestripe's just clingy at the worst, and doesn't really think of others' feelings. If anything he's just as selfish as Dovewing for constantly asking her about kits when they're not even together anymore, but he wouldn't go as far as acting the way as Ashfur did. Also if anyone tries to debate this, just don't. Not in the mood.
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