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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:02:54 GMT -5
if you're cat scratches you 99.9% of the time it's you're fault for making them angry like ?? it's like a kid hits somebody "oh I better cut off his fingers" because that's reasonable. Totally !!! and so many people don't even care, it's like, don't own a cat if you don't care for it's health SERIOUSLY THATS SUCH A GOOD POINT THE SAME FOR DOGS. Like "oh my dog growled at me" yeah and i bet before then you saw the whites of his eyes, he was baring his teeth, he was avoiding your gaze, his tail was between his legs or wagging tensely, and he was backing away? try and blame your dog again i dare you >:(
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Aug 19, 2016 13:04:41 GMT -5
I'm speaking in my experience, both personally and proffesionally And while they can get use to it there's still risk of health concerns Well, so am I. Yes, indeed. There's health concerns with ANY medical procedure as well. Of course, there's a lot more with declawing and I definitely don't support it but it's really not as extreme as people make it out to be. you work with cats as well? Pretty sure you're only speaking personally And I'm aware all procedures have risk, but I just think its immoral to amputate something that doesn't need to be because you don't know how to accomedate it is my point
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Post by Suspicious Toast on Aug 19, 2016 13:06:38 GMT -5
if you're cat scratches you 99.9% of the time it's you're fault for making them angry like ?? it's like a kid hits somebody "oh I better cut off his fingers" because that's reasonable. Totally !!! and so many people don't even care, it's like, don't own a cat if you don't care for it's health SERIOUSLY THATS SUCH A GOOD POINT THE SAME FOR DOGS. Like "oh my dog growled at me" yeah and i bet before then you saw the whites of his eyes, he was baring his teeth, he was avoiding your gaze, his tail was between his legs or wagging tensely, and he was backing away? try and blame your dog again i dare you Yeah. Animals usually get pretty obviously pissed off before they actually attack you, especially domestic animals like cats or dogs. Cats are a fair bit easier to anger than dogs, but I mean. You can see them back away, their tail low or lashing usually is a sign, and they'll quite often hiss or something before they actually try to claw somebody. And even if they're just like playfighting, usually even a fairly rough player of a cat will be gentle enough not to legitimately hurt you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:08:06 GMT -5
Well, so am I. Yes, indeed. There's health concerns with ANY medical procedure as well. Of course, there's a lot more with declawing and I definitely don't support it but it's really not as extreme as people make it out to be. you work with cats as well? Pretty sure you're only speaking personally And I'm aware all procedures have risk, but I just think its immoral to amputate something that doesn't need to be because you don't know how to accomedate it is my point I've done volunteer work at shelters before. Definitely not 'professional' but my opinion is still valid. Yes, it is cruel. I never said it wasn't. Once again, there's a lot worse things to do (like throw your cat outside and never interact with it lol)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:08:35 GMT -5
SERIOUSLY THATS SUCH A GOOD POINT THE SAME FOR DOGS. Like "oh my dog growled at me" yeah and i bet before then you saw the whites of his eyes, he was baring his teeth, he was avoiding your gaze, his tail was between his legs or wagging tensely, and he was backing away? try and blame your dog again i dare you Yeah. Animals usually get pretty obviously pissed off before they actually attack you, especially domestic animals like cats or dogs. Cats are a fair bit easier to anger than dogs, but I mean. You can see them back away, their tail low or lashing usually is a sign, and they'll quite often hiss or something before they actually try to claw somebody. And even if they're just like playfighting, usually even a fairly rough player of a cat will be gentle enough not to legitimately hurt you. my brother purposefully makes our youngest cat attack him? it upsets me to no end, because the kitten lashes out at anyone and any other animal nearby, which gets him hurt a lot of the time. my brother just won't stop tho idk how to fix it
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Post by Bleak on Aug 19, 2016 13:09:00 GMT -5
ok yes declawing is awful but does anyone else understand why unsupervised outdoor cats are a bad thing? pls i'm so alone I don't own cats, but one of my friends has several. There are too many dangers for a domestic animal to be alone in the big world.
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Post by Suspicious Toast on Aug 19, 2016 13:10:29 GMT -5
Yeah. Animals usually get pretty obviously pissed off before they actually attack you, especially domestic animals like cats or dogs. Cats are a fair bit easier to anger than dogs, but I mean. You can see them back away, their tail low or lashing usually is a sign, and they'll quite often hiss or something before they actually try to claw somebody. And even if they're just like playfighting, usually even a fairly rough player of a cat will be gentle enough not to legitimately hurt you. my brother purposefully makes our youngest cat attack him? it upsets me to no end, because the kitten lashes out at anyone and any other animal nearby, which gets him hurt a lot of the time. my brother just won't stop tho idk how to fix it Wow, that's terrible. Does he know that what he's doing is wrong?? Like he might be under the impression that the cat is just "playing" with the cat and it's okay ?? I don't know, that's really frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:14:35 GMT -5
my brother purposefully makes our youngest cat attack him? it upsets me to no end, because the kitten lashes out at anyone and any other animal nearby, which gets him hurt a lot of the time. my brother just won't stop tho idk how to fix it Wow, that's terrible. Does he know that what he's doing is wrong?? Like he might be under the impression that the cat is just "playing" with the cat and it's okay ?? I don't know, that's really frustrating. h*ck no I've explained it to him in excruciating detail why it's wrong, so has my mother, so has my adopted sister, basically the entire family. and he's 16 so it's not like he's too young to know what he's doing ???? i guess he just likes being scratched up or something ??????? i hate it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 21:35:23 GMT -5
My cat is outside, but she cannot live inside, so she is basically a friendly and disease free feral
I'm the only one who can touch her
She runs from everyone else
She is extremely street smart, like seriously that cat is better with cars than I am
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 21:49:47 GMT -5
My cat is outside, but she cannot live inside, so she is basically a friendly and disease free feral Why can't she live inside?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 21:53:26 GMT -5
My cat is outside, but she cannot live inside, so she is basically a friendly and disease free feral Why can't she live inside?
I really don't know. She just hates the inside. When I open the door, she doesn't even attempt to come in.I think she was abused as a kitten or something, because she doesn't let anyone pet her on the head, or touch her on the head, and dislikes most everyone. We also found her in the gutter, and even when we have to take her inside, in the dead of winter, she doesn't really seem comfortable Also the trees in our backyard are stripped bare I'm taking that as a warning sign Edit: Oh and we found her in the gutter
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 22:09:11 GMT -5
My cats are part indoor and part outdoor cats. They go outside, do their thing, and come inside for dinner. No big deal, they can defend themselves well. My cat Diablo, who is now 8 years old, has been a partially outdoor cat since he was about a year old, when he was old enough to be able to defend himself. Yes, there are dangers. No, we will not make him become an indoor cat. Wanna know why? Because when our house burned to the ground in November, which was located in the country (We will only allow them outside while we're living there, because of vehicles and such) we moved into an apartment in town. We didn't let him or our other cat Chatter outside since we live near a busy road. Now, he was fine at first, but progressively started getting really stir crazy. He kept trying to escape when we let our dog outside (In a fenced in yard) and he started to not eat because he was so depressed. One day we decided to let him run free on our property, where our house is being rebuilt, intending to only let him out for a few hours then take him back. Well, he ran into the woods and didn't come out for a few days. We came back a few days later, and he came to us, though he was slightly wary. We sat with him and eventually allowed us to pick him up. He was purring and happy to see us, but we tried taking him to the car and he jumped out of our arms. He didn't want to go back, clearly. He was happy being an outside cat, and we still bring him food every day so he isn't hungry. He also has shelter (He's been running free for about 7 years now and knows all the spots to hide) so he's perfectly fine. Not all cats have to be indoors. If you don't want your cat being indoors, that's your decision. But I find it more cruel keeping a cat caged, when it wants outside. Now, if I were to move out into a city, and bring my cat Chatter, I'd make her stay inside because vehicles are a main killer for cats. But I'd still take her to my parents to be able to run around happily in the country.
This is just my thoughts. Agree or disagree, we all have our own beliefs on this subject.
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Post by snow on Aug 19, 2016 22:14:33 GMT -5
My cats are part indoor and part outdoor cats. They go outside, do their thing, and come inside for dinner. No big deal, they can defend themselves well. My cat Diablo, who is now 8 years old, has been a partially outdoor cat since he was about a year old, when he was old enough to be able to defend himself. Yes, there are dangers. No, we will not make him become an indoor cat. Wanna know why? Because when our house burned to the ground in November, which was located in the country (We will only allow them outside while we're living there, because of vehicles and such) we moved into an apartment in town. We didn't let him or our other cat Chatter outside since we live near a busy road. Now, he was fine at first, but progressively started getting really stir crazy. He kept trying to escape when we let our dog outside (In a fenced in yard) and he started to not eat because he was so depressed. One day we decided to let him run free on our property, where our house is being rebuilt, intending to only let him out for a few hours then take him back. Well, he ran into the woods and didn't come out for a few days. We came back a few days later, and he came to us, though he was slightly wary. We sat with him and eventually allowed us to pick him up. He was purring and happy to see us, but we tried taking him to the car and he jumped out of our arms. He didn't want to go back, clearly. He was happy being an outside cat, and we still bring him food every day so he isn't hungry. He also has shelter (He's been running free for about 7 years now and knows all the spots to hide) so he's perfectly fine. Not all cats have to be indoors. If you don't want your cat being indoors, that's your decision. But I find it more cruel keeping a cat caged, when it wants outside. Now, if I were to move out into a city, and bring my cat Chatter, I'd make her stay inside because vehicles are a main killer for cats. But I'd still take her to my parents to be able to run around happily in the country. This is just my thoughts. Agree or disagree, we all have our own beliefs on this subject. Agreed! I live in the suburbs and my two adult cats have been indoor/outdoor since they were about a year old, they get depressed if they can't go outside and do cat stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 22:24:41 GMT -5
My cats are part indoor and part outdoor cats. They go outside, do their thing, and come inside for dinner. No big deal, they can defend themselves well. My cat Diablo, who is now 8 years old, has been a partially outdoor cat since he was about a year old, when he was old enough to be able to defend himself. Yes, there are dangers. No, we will not make him become an indoor cat. Wanna know why? Because when our house burned to the ground in November, which was located in the country (We will only allow them outside while we're living there, because of vehicles and such) we moved into an apartment in town. We didn't let him or our other cat Chatter outside since we live near a busy road. Now, he was fine at first, but progressively started getting really stir crazy. He kept trying to escape when we let our dog outside (In a fenced in yard) and he started to not eat because he was so depressed. One day we decided to let him run free on our property, where our house is being rebuilt, intending to only let him out for a few hours then take him back. Well, he ran into the woods and didn't come out for a few days. We came back a few days later, and he came to us, though he was slightly wary. We sat with him and eventually allowed us to pick him up. He was purring and happy to see us, but we tried taking him to the car and he jumped out of our arms. He didn't want to go back, clearly. He was happy being an outside cat, and we still bring him food every day so he isn't hungry. He also has shelter (He's been running free for about 7 years now and knows all the spots to hide) so he's perfectly fine. Not all cats have to be indoors. If you don't want your cat being indoors, that's your decision. But I find it more cruel keeping a cat caged, when it wants outside. Now, if I were to move out into a city, and bring my cat Chatter, I'd make her stay inside because vehicles are a main killer for cats. But I'd still take her to my parents to be able to run around happily in the country. This is just my thoughts. Agree or disagree, we all have our own beliefs on this subject. Agreed! I live in the suburbs and my two adult cats have been indoor/outdoor since they were about a year old, they get depressed if they can't go outside and do cat stuff. Exactly! Like, I understand some people don't want to risk their cats getting hurt. And I agree if you live by a busy road, just don't let them outside at all. But sometimes, it is okay to let your cat go outside and do their stuff It's not like they aren't allowed back inside when they want to. But to each their own, I suppose
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Aug 19, 2016 22:41:53 GMT -5
ok yes declawing is awful but does anyone else understand why unsupervised outdoor cats are a bad thing? pls i'm so alone yes, absolutely.... outdoor cats are generally bad for the environment and wildlife, and owners who say "well my cats never catch anything" are usually clueless because yeah, your cats DO catch stuff you just dont see it. plus all the threats outdoors for cats, esp if you live near a forest with coyotes etc. also other cats and getting into fight unfortunately its too late for my cats, i didnt learn this until my oldest cat is pretty much conditioned to going outside, he will sit centimeters form the door and meow/caterwaul for HOURS until we open it... if we dont, he gets super stressed and anxious. i wish i knew the danger cats are in/the danger they pose to other wildlife when they go outside earlier... (yikes stop me before i start ranting about animal behavior and stuff i swear i ruin half the "cute animal" videos post on facebook and i feel really bad about it.)
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Post by Arcticmist on Aug 20, 2016 12:42:14 GMT -5
My cats only go outside when we're with them. Otherwise they'd do something terrible or gorge themselves to death on grass or get lost
But anyway, declawing is extremely I humane. It's like cutting off a majority of a human finger. It can also cause a lot of pain down the road for the animal.
Once, I was at my volunteer job and I got into a conversation with a woman who had rescued two kittens she found abandoned. That's all fine and dandy. Then she made a comment about getting the kittens declawed. I didn't say anything, just nodded. But then this lady started unprovokedly flipping out at me saying she didn't care what other people thought and they're her cats so it's her choice. So basically I was being *insert word rhyming with witched* out for no reason.
Later I learned that my mom had tried to talk her out of it shortly before hand. So the lady was ticked, still a crappy way to treat someone and totally uncalled for.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Aug 20, 2016 13:23:19 GMT -5
okay look I'm not going to state my opinion on the whole indoor vs outdoor cat debate, that's a hornets nest I don't feel like kicking, but this thread is supposed to be about declawing, not outdoor cats, so pls don't start a huge arguement about that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 15:10:33 GMT -5
But if someone dewclaws there cat I will legitimately slap them in the face
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Post by sphagnosidum on Aug 20, 2016 15:50:16 GMT -5
For everyone who owns a cat or planning to own a cat, I highly encourage keeping cats indoors. Outdoor cats are very detrimental to the environment and are the number two killer for protected bird species in decline (number one would be windows).
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Post by Card against Humanity on Aug 20, 2016 15:51:45 GMT -5
For everyone who owns a cat or planning to own a cat, I highly encourage keeping cats indoors. Outdoor cats are very detrimental to the environment and are the number two killer for protected bird species in decline (number one would be windows). I literally JUST made a post asking people to please not argue about this on this thread but okay
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Post by sphagnosidum on Aug 20, 2016 16:00:03 GMT -5
Too bad. I had to with comments like these.
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Post by ~TopmødeFlyinglark~ on Aug 20, 2016 16:06:46 GMT -5
Wait, shouldn't it be considered animal abuse?
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Post by Card against Humanity on Aug 20, 2016 16:11:23 GMT -5
Wait, shouldn't it be considered animal abuse? It SHOULD be, but it apparently isn't
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Post by Ƈσяαℓ Mєямαι∂ ღ on Aug 20, 2016 16:15:07 GMT -5
I'm actually in the process of creating a furniture cover that can be used as a scratching post. Cause my kitten only likes to scratch on the couch I bought her a scratching post, but even when I put catnip on it, she won't scratch it. What I'm trying to create will be able to stick to furniture without damaging it, and can be easily replaced when the cat has used it. I'm not very far in the planning, I only have the idea. I still need to figure out what materials to use. If this does become a thing, I'm hoping it will cause less cats to be declawed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 16:16:08 GMT -5
Wait, shouldn't it be considered animal abuse? yes
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Post by Ƈσяαℓ Mєямαι∂ ღ on Aug 20, 2016 16:23:08 GMT -5
Wow, that's terrible. Does he know that what he's doing is wrong?? Like he might be under the impression that the cat is just "playing" with the cat and it's okay ?? I don't know, that's really frustrating. h*ck no I've explained it to him in excruciating detail why it's wrong, so has my mother, so has my adopted sister, basically the entire family. and he's 16 so it's not like he's too young to know what he's doing ???? i guess he just likes being scratched up or something ??????? i hate it if he does like being scratched up, your parents should probably get him some mental health. This is giving me so many red flags...
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Aug 20, 2016 17:16:10 GMT -5
I've had a couple cats that were declawed. Poor things. My third one still has hers. If she was declawed at her age (7), she probably would have died. It's not for cats. It's painful for them.
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