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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 5:30:48 GMT -5
Crowfeather's Trial - Did it do it's job and redeem Breezepelt for you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 5:42:37 GMT -5
Not really. Despite what little he did in Crowfeather's Trial, which really was all his father forced to take most the blame and work, despite Breezepelt being a fully grown warrior. Not even defending his father from banishment for rightfully speaking up, despite him getting scot-free away with attempted mass murder. Breezepelt flat-out lies about his motives during his "confession" during that Super Edition. And at the same time, in Dovewing's Silence, he's smug and proud to be apart of the group of Mass murderers which committed genocide, of his Clanmates and 1 kit. Despite.
Seasons later in the Vision of Shadows Arc, he hasn't improved much, still has his aggressive attitude and shouting hypocritical statements at Gatherings, accusing others of being murderers and untrustworthy.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 2, 2019 8:29:21 GMT -5
Yeah. I liked his redemption and I think he’s doing fine.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 2, 2019 8:35:15 GMT -5
Not at all. Personally, I feel like he shouldn't have gotten a redemption arc in the first place.
Breezepelt's actions are pretty much downplayed to the point where he feels like a completely different character than what we've usually seen. It doesn't help that WindClan felt unnecessarily cruel to the point of stupidity. And fine, Breezepelt's never completely forgiven by the end, but this doesn't change the fact that even the narrative itself sometimes feels like it expects the reader to at least acknowledge his apparent change of heart. This quote in particular really made me roll my eyes:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 8:54:35 GMT -5
No. Breezepelt didn't deserve it, first of all. Trying to kill a pregnant queen was uncalled for. Crowfeather ended up doing all of the work for him, and he barely did shit. Before people compare him to Hollyleaf let me remind you that the Clan was not quick to forgive her , and she only "got away with kt" because Bramble lied for her. She had to actually work her ass off, while Breezepelt's book told us that we should forgive him. Onestar was forcing forgiveness, instead exiling Crowfeather who actually didn't do anything. Call him a bad father all you want, at least he didn't side with the DF, knowing what they were doing. Breezepelt should have been punished, not Crowfeather.
Don't debate with me before anyone defends this trash, you won't change my mind. Not worth your time trying. Starting to get annoying how fans act so defensive towards fictional cats tbh.
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Post by Haze on Jan 2, 2019 9:58:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I liked his redemption, the only thing that Crowfeather did in Breezepelt redemption was to fix the family relationship that was mostly Crowfeather fault anyway and with the Nightcloud quest.
The rest was all on Breezepelt, he was the one that offered himself in all the dangerous stoat jobs, he was the one that said that the DF trainees would prove themselves in battle during the gathering, he came with the plan to send a cat as a bait and that he would be that cat and even saved Lionblaze.
Crowfeather was even impressed that Breezepelt was not snapping back at the insults that literally everybody was throwing at him.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jan 2, 2019 10:22:28 GMT -5
Yeah I liked his redemption, I see no issue with how it was handled.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 2, 2019 10:25:36 GMT -5
I always get annoyed when people bring up Dovewing’s Novella as if an entire canon Super Edition depecting Breezepelt in his home clan in the point of view of a cat who is around him every single day is less telling of Breezepelt’s personality and character.
Dovewing could think anything about Breezepelt and it would be accepted as the truth because she’s from Thunderclan. I’m going to take the word of a Windclan Super Edition over a Novella in terms of Breezepelt’s true personality and actions.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jan 2, 2019 10:47:37 GMT -5
I always get annoyed when people bring up Dovewing’s Novella as if an entire canon Super Edition depecting Breezepelt in his home clan in the point of view of a cat who is around him every single day is less telling of Breezepelt’s personality and character. Dovewing could think anything about Breezepelt and it would be accepted as the truth because she’s from Thunderclan. I’m going to take the word of a Windclan Super Edition over a Novella in terms of Breezepelt’s true personality and actions. There's also using the Jayfeather and Poppyfrost Moonpool incident thing against him, even though that... wasn't really brought up much after it happened iirc. So idk how folks'll expect Crowfeather or all of Windclan to know about it/bring it up. Not excusing it ofc, that was pretty damn bad for him to do, but it seems to be only between those three cats and I doubt it'll be brought up again so it's a loss cause at this point.
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Post by Haze on Jan 2, 2019 11:05:20 GMT -5
I always get annoyed when people bring up Dovewing’s Novella as if an entire canon Super Edition depecting Breezepelt in his home clan in the point of view of a cat who is around him every single day is less telling of Breezepelt’s personality and character. Dovewing could think anything about Breezepelt and it would be accepted as the truth because she’s from Thunderclan. I’m going to take the word of a Windclan Super Edition over a Novella in terms of Breezepelt’s true personality and actions. There's also using the Jayfeather and Poppyfrost Moonpool incident thing against him, even though that... wasn't really brought up after it happened iirc. So idk how folks'll expect Crowfeather or all of Windclan to know about it/bring it up. Not excusing it ofc, that was pretty damn bad for him to do, but it seems to be only between those three cats and I doubt it'll be brought up again so it's a loss cause at this point. Lionblaze knows too and here his answer: The same thing happened with Hollyleaf attempt murder against Leafpool, only these two know and was never brought up after.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 11:10:26 GMT -5
I always get annoyed when people bring up Dovewing’s Novella as if an entire canon Super Edition depecting Breezepelt in his home clan in the point of view of a cat who is around him every single day is less telling of Breezepelt’s personality and character. Dovewing could think anything about Breezepelt and it would be accepted as the truth because she’s from Thunderclan. I’m going to take the word of a Windclan Super Edition over a Novella in terms of Breezepelt’s true personality and actions. There's also using the Jayfeather and Poppyfrost Moonpool incident thing against him, even though that... wasn't really brought up after it happened iirc. So idk how folks'll expect Crowfeather or all of Windclan to know about it/bring it up. Not excusing it ofc, that was pretty damn bad for him to do, but it seems to be only between those three cats and I doubt it'll be brought up again so it's a loss cause at this point. Well, whether you like it or not, Dovewing's Silence is just as credible as Crowfeather's Trial. Considering Novellas and Super Edition are just as credible canon wise, since their structure is almost identical, only difference in the page length. Why Breezepelt acts smug in front of the others Trainees/Leaders but acts "softer" while in his Clan is anyone's guess. But regardless, it's still a fact. People could say Dovewing is biased, but so could Crowfeather's POV, who's his father. Crowfeather may always accuse the best of his son, which is why an outsider point of view is valuable.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 2, 2019 12:58:20 GMT -5
There's also using the Jayfeather and Poppyfrost Moonpool incident thing against him, even though that... wasn't really brought up after it happened iirc. So idk how folks'll expect Crowfeather or all of Windclan to know about it/bring it up. Not excusing it ofc, that was pretty damn bad for him to do, but it seems to be only between those three cats and I doubt it'll be brought up again so it's a loss cause at this point. Well, whether you like it or not, Dovewing's Silence is just as credible as Crowfeather's Trial. Considering Novellas and Super Edition are just as credible canon wise, since their structure is almost identical, only difference in the page length. Why Breezepelt acts smug in front of the others Trainees/Leaders but acts "softer" while in his Clan is anyone's guess. But regardless, it's still a fact. People could say Dovewing is biased, but so could Crowfeather's POV, who's his father. Crowfeather may always accuse the best of his son, which is why an outsider point of view is valuable. Lol you mean the same Crowfeather who forgot his son was ever injured badly before and inwardly considering agreeing that Breezepelt deserves to die? I can take Dovewing’s Silence as canon, sure, but a Windclan pov, no matter who’s it is, is going to give a much better and more believeable portrayl of Breezepelt than Dovewing is. And hell, maybe Breezepelt changed in a short amount of time. You don’t have to spend a long time to change. And sure, an outsider point of view is well and good, but it shouldn’t dictate the character as a whole when she’s not his clanmate or even close to him. I can respect your explination though, I do agree having multiple POV’s is beneficial, and that Crowfeather too can be biased, which is why I wished it was a Breezepelt SE instead..
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Jan 2, 2019 13:40:05 GMT -5
I guess it was a good redemption for the Breezepelt that was portrayed in the Super Edition. In my opinion, I just couldn't see the previous Breezepelt and this Breezepelt as the same cat. Breezepelt suddenly seems more sad than angry in the Super Edition. I think his character had to be changed in order to have any redemption at all because the original Breezepelt didn't seem to want or have any plans of redeeming himself.
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