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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 23, 2018 22:04:26 GMT -5
Why tag this as spoilers when Night Whispers has been out for YEARS now?
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Post by kells on Dec 23, 2018 22:12:04 GMT -5
I can't really recall OotS that well, but if Jayfeather did save Flametail I think it wouldn't do much to the plot aside from disrupt some plot in AVoS
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Post by halogen on Dec 24, 2018 11:51:36 GMT -5
It might help patch up the division between the medicine cats and make StarClan be able to stand up against the Dark Forest much for easily, and with all of StarClan there at the beginning of the battle there might be far fewer deaths (and the medicine cats find the fourth much more easily), or it might conversely make it harder for StarClan to be reunited since Flametail's spirit played a big role in that. Ivypool might not be as trusted by the Dark Forest without Flametail in the Dark Forest, and she might end up being killed in the Dark Forest. Without seeing the Dark Forest try to kill Flametail, Tigerheart might not realize how evil the Dark Forest is and while he wouldn't join the in the end, he might not end up being a spy much earlier on, so the apprentices won't have Ivypool and Tigerheart to rally them and more might fight for the Dark Forest or just run away out of fear, elating to more tension after the final battle between the apprentices and the rest of the Clan. It's also a possibility that, if Rock was still telling Jayfeather to not save Flametail, Jayfeather might turn against Rock fully (as he already started doing with breaking the Stick and such), especially when Rock stops him from staying with Half Moon. Maybe he'd find a way to stay with Half Moon forever. Rather than just following him reluctantly, we might get a confrontation between the three and rock, maybe Jayfeather would even just kill him. And then it would be interesting how Midnight might react to that... maybe we'd even get an evil Midnight like originally intended. With less cats killed in the Dark Forest battle, there might not be a stick of remembrance and Seedpaw wouldn't die trying to retrieve it. She would become a warrior, and Lilyheart might get a different warrior name (maybe Lilytail to remember Sorreltail?)
The next part is harder since I've never had a chance to read AVOS, but...
Puddleshine would never be forced to be medicine cat, so he would become a warrior. With the more experienced Flametail treating the cats for yellow cough fewer cats might die, and ShadowClan might not be in as bad a shape. Though the greater number of apprentices who joined the Dark Forest might make ShadowClan more unstable, if Blackstar didn't just kill them all. If Flametail ended up dying of yellow cough then it still might go just as badly and Puddleshine might still end up a medicine cat. If Crowfrost still died, Dawnpelt might end up deputy instead of Tigerheart without the black mark against her of the whole Flametail murder accusation thing. If the Darktail thing still played out mostly like it did before than Flametail would join the rogues as the Erins said he would, for the same reasons as Puddleshine did, though he would still be loyal to StarClan and I could see him and Tawnypelt plotting some kind of resistance like they did with Sol when he was an apprentice. But if the rogue problem didn't turn out as bad because of less yellow cough deaths, then Flametail might be more likely to stay with his Clan since Rowanstar is his father. If Darktail ended up executing Flametail and Dawnpelt was deputations I imagine she would be furious and might end up going too far for revenge, and maybe making the battle harder with her recklessness. Whoever ends up as leader in the end would trust the other medicine cats more, and if anyone still got hurt by the silver thorn then Alderheart would have a much easier time using death berries to cure them. Though it's also possible that Flametail would trust StarClan less after the events of Night Whispers, because StarClan exhausted him so much that he nearly got himself killed, only for him to find out that their advice about separating the Clans was all wrong. So I could also see a more cynical Flametail helping Jayfeather fight Rock and maybe being quicker to join the rogues, and getting mad at StarClan when they nearly kill his apprentice Shadowkit the same way. Though given how much he trusted StarClan and how much the Clans follow StarClan anyway, it's also possible he would still be more or less the same and be fine with what StarClan did to Shadowkit.
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Post by Haze on Dec 24, 2018 13:15:37 GMT -5
I think that OotS would still play the same, but maybe with fewer deaths in Shadowclan side and a different method of uniting starclan.
Now for AVoS
- Littlecloud would have a peaceful death. - Puddleshine would be a warrior. - I can see Flametail plotting with Tigerheart and Dawnpelt to steal the herb from the windclan territory. - With less cats dying in the Darktail incident Shadowclan would not give Skyclan territory. - Crowfrost still dies, because the authors want Tigerheart as deputy. - Tigerheart thinks with the lower head and there is nothing that Flametail could do about that. - Rowanstar survives because he never gave Skyclan territory and he unfortunately would accept Sleekwhisker back unlike Leafstar. - Rowanstar steps down as a leader because the authors want Tigerstar II after TS. - Rowanclaw lives happy as a warrior. - Flametail is dumb and get stuck in the silverthorn anyway, so Alderheart have something to do in the last book and Shadowkit have character development.
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