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Post by frostflower on Dec 9, 2018 9:30:57 GMT -5
I’d like to start by clarifying what I mean by well-written/poorly-written. By poorly-written, I don’t mean your least favourite character, or a character you find annoying. I mean a character the Erins did a bad job of writing. A poorly written character might be one that is 2D, Mary Sueish, acts out of character to drive the plot or has no personality besides reacting to the plot. On the other hand, a well-written character is one that’s realistic, well-rounded and shows character development. For instance, you might love Firestar (who doesn’t?) but think he’s a really flat, Mary Sueish character.
So without any further do:
MOST WELL-WRITTEN: Clear Sky. You know the Erins have done a good job writing a villain when you absolutely hate him! It’s really clever that they managed to bring out such an emotional response. I also thought he was really interesting as a villain because, unlike other Warriors villains, he wasn’t power hungry or malicious. He genuinely thought what he was doing was best for his Clan.
MOST POORLY-WRITTEN: Dovewing. She literally has 0 personality. All of her actions exist simply to advance the plot.
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Post by scint on Dec 9, 2018 10:38:53 GMT -5
I think that Hollyleaf or Firestar were some of the most well-written.
But Dovewing being the worst for having "0 personality"? Please. She has personality, it just isn't written well. Just like Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Ivypool. All four are very poorly-written, but they have a personality (Lionblaze's is really hard to tell because of his "personality"). And I'm pretty sure not all of her actions exist to advance the plot. Probably most, but she is a main character, and is supposed to be expected of a main character.
I'd say Ivypool for me. The only things I remember her doing during OotS was being jealous at Dovewing, being angry with Dovewing, joining the DF, "spying" on the DF, still being jealous of Dovewing, and it goes on and on. That's it. Most of her character arc is being angry/jealous of Dovewing. And with the way it's written, that often feels like she only exists to be angry with Dovewing. She was also unnecessarily rude to a lot of cats (i.e. Dovewing) and really, for me it feels like her only purpose is to be angry with everyone because everyone wronged her and aaahh- Jayfeather is funny. Ivypool isn't. She barely learned anything from the whole thing with her sister in AVoS, and she only accepted the fact that Dovewing has feelings and a choice to be happy in the last book. Meaning she was pissed with Dovewing for most of her life. I think that's really unhealthy and most people would've gotten over it or at least tried to by now. For me Ivypool's the least well-written because she's only there to be angry and hold a grudge. That's it.
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 9, 2018 10:58:55 GMT -5
Best: Hollyleaf and Jayfeather Worst: Sleekwhisker
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 12:55:45 GMT -5
I think the most poorly-written were Leafpool and Cinderheart. Despite an entire arc being devoted to Leafpool's POV she had nothing to advance the plot besides mooning over Crowfeather/finding the Moonpool/being jealous over Brightheart helping with the medicine cat duties in Sunset. She was really a cardboard character at least in my opinion.
As for Cinderheart, I thought she was a tad Mary-Sue-ish with being a warrior and having the memories of an experienced late medicine cat.
The most well-written characters for me were Hollyleaf (excepting Sunrise) and Brambleclaw (TNP-era).
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 9, 2018 14:09:08 GMT -5
I think that Hollyleaf or Firestar were some of the most well-written. But Dovewing being the worst for having "0 personality"? Please. She has personality, it just isn't written well. Just like Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Ivypool. All four are very poorly-written, but they have a personality (Lionblaze's is really hard to tell because of his "personality"). And I'm pretty sure not all of her actions exist to advance the plot. Probably most, but she is a main character, and is supposed to be expected of a main character. I'd say Ivypool for me. The only things I remember her doing during OotS was being jealous at Dovewing, being angry with Dovewing, joining the DF, "spying" on the DF, still being jealous of Dovewing, and it goes on and on. That's it. Most of her character arc is being angry/jealous of Dovewing. And with the way it's written, that often feels like she only exists to be angry with Dovewing. She was also unnecessarily rude to a lot of cats (i.e. Dovewing) and really, for me it feels like her only purpose is to be angry with everyone because everyone wronged her and aaahh- Jayfeather is funny. Ivypool isn't. She barely learned anything from the whole thing with her sister in AVoS, and she only accepted the fact that Dovewing has feelings and a choice to be happy in the last book. Meaning she was pissed with Dovewing for most of her life. I think that's really unhealthy and most people would've gotten over it or at least tried to by now. For me Ivypool's the least well-written because she's only there to be angry and hold a grudge. That's it. Jayfeather’s not funny in the slightest. He’s a jerk, and there’s nothing funny about watching someone insult other cats constantly and act like his blindness gives him an excuse to treat cats like crap. As for Ivypool only existing to be jealous of Dovewing? That’s a part of her character, but the other parts revolve heavily around getting over that envy, which she did, and her becoming more independent from both her sister and the Dark Forest. I don’t think Dovewing is the worst written character, but it seems she mostly revolves around unneeded and ugly romances with a cat who she literally guilt trips into abandoning his clan.
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 9, 2018 14:13:09 GMT -5
Besides all that mess.
Best written cats for me are pretty obvious. I’m going to skip over main characters, because Ivypool and Firestar are obvious for me. Still no surprise I find Littlecloud and Berrynose to be the best written. Why? Constantly consistent, every single book they are in. They keep in character, develop so naturally, and stand out amongst boring background characters.
Worst Written? Hm. Probably Tigerheart/Star, simply because he’s got no canon reason to be deemed a good leader/loyal cat yet he is made to look like a saint. He’s literally so undeserving of all the slack he’s gotten and flip flops personalities like a five guys burger patty.
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Post by scint on Dec 9, 2018 14:59:54 GMT -5
I think that Hollyleaf or Firestar were some of the most well-written. But Dovewing being the worst for having "0 personality"? Please. She has personality, it just isn't written well. Just like Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Ivypool. All four are very poorly-written, but they have a personality (Lionblaze's is really hard to tell because of his "personality"). And I'm pretty sure not all of her actions exist to advance the plot. Probably most, but she is a main character, and is supposed to be expected of a main character. I'd say Ivypool for me. The only things I remember her doing during OotS was being jealous at Dovewing, being angry with Dovewing, joining the DF, "spying" on the DF, still being jealous of Dovewing, and it goes on and on. That's it. Most of her character arc is being angry/jealous of Dovewing. And with the way it's written, that often feels like she only exists to be angry with Dovewing. She was also unnecessarily rude to a lot of cats (i.e. Dovewing) and really, for me it feels like her only purpose is to be angry with everyone because everyone wronged her and aaahh- Jayfeather is funny. Ivypool isn't. She barely learned anything from the whole thing with her sister in AVoS, and she only accepted the fact that Dovewing has feelings and a choice to be happy in the last book. Meaning she was pissed with Dovewing for most of her life. I think that's really unhealthy and most people would've gotten over it or at least tried to by now. For me Ivypool's the least well-written because she's only there to be angry and hold a grudge. That's it. Jayfeather’s not funny in the slightest. He’s a jerk, and there’s nothing funny about watching someone insult other cats constantly and act like his blindness gives him an excuse to treat cats like crap. As for Ivypool only existing to be jealous of Dovewing? That’s a part of her character, but the other parts revolve heavily around getting over that envy, which she did, and her becoming more independent from both her sister and the Dark Forest. I don’t think Dovewing is the worst written character, but it seems she mostly revolves around unneeded and ugly romances with a cat who she literally guilt trips into abandoning his clan. I stand by my opinion. It's not changing. Jayfeather's funny to me, and for me Ivypool feels like her arc only revolves around being jealous.
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Post by frostflower on Dec 9, 2018 21:30:01 GMT -5
I think that Hollyleaf or Firestar were some of the most well-written. But Dovewing being the worst for having "0 personality"? Please. She has personality, it just isn't written well. Just like Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Ivypool. All four are very poorly-written, but they have a personality (Lionblaze's is really hard to tell because of his "personality"). And I'm pretty sure not all of her actions exist to advance the plot. Probably most, but she is a main character, and is supposed to be expected of a main character. I'd say Ivypool for me. The only things I remember her doing during OotS was being jealous at Dovewing, being angry with Dovewing, joining the DF, "spying" on the DF, still being jealous of Dovewing, and it goes on and on. That's it. Most of her character arc is being angry/jealous of Dovewing. And with the way it's written, that often feels like she only exists to be angry with Dovewing. She was also unnecessarily rude to a lot of cats (i.e. Dovewing) and really, for me it feels like her only purpose is to be angry with everyone because everyone wronged her and aaahh- Jayfeather is funny. Ivypool isn't. She barely learned anything from the whole thing with her sister in AVoS, and she only accepted the fact that Dovewing has feelings and a choice to be happy in the last book. Meaning she was pissed with Dovewing for most of her life. I think that's really unhealthy and most people would've gotten over it or at least tried to by now. For me Ivypool's the least well-written because she's only there to be angry and hold a grudge. That's it. This thread is to give your personal opinion on the most well written and poorly written characters - it’s not meant to be a debate
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Post by scint on Dec 9, 2018 21:38:38 GMT -5
I think that Hollyleaf or Firestar were some of the most well-written. But Dovewing being the worst for having "0 personality"? Please. She has personality, it just isn't written well. Just like Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Ivypool. All four are very poorly-written, but they have a personality (Lionblaze's is really hard to tell because of his "personality"). And I'm pretty sure not all of her actions exist to advance the plot. Probably most, but she is a main character, and is supposed to be expected of a main character. I'd say Ivypool for me. The only things I remember her doing during OotS was being jealous at Dovewing, being angry with Dovewing, joining the DF, "spying" on the DF, still being jealous of Dovewing, and it goes on and on. That's it. Most of her character arc is being angry/jealous of Dovewing. And with the way it's written, that often feels like she only exists to be angry with Dovewing. She was also unnecessarily rude to a lot of cats (i.e. Dovewing) and really, for me it feels like her only purpose is to be angry with everyone because everyone wronged her and aaahh- Jayfeather is funny. Ivypool isn't. She barely learned anything from the whole thing with her sister in AVoS, and she only accepted the fact that Dovewing has feelings and a choice to be happy in the last book. Meaning she was pissed with Dovewing for most of her life. I think that's really unhealthy and most people would've gotten over it or at least tried to by now. For me Ivypool's the least well-written because she's only there to be angry and hold a grudge. That's it. This thread is to give your personal opinion on the most well written and poorly written characters - it’s not meant to be a debate I'm well aware of that. I'm giving my personal opinions, you're giving yours. You can't really avoid a debate on WG, it's bound to happen on any thread here.
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Post by frostflower on Dec 9, 2018 21:52:33 GMT -5
This thread is to give your personal opinion on the most well written and poorly written characters - it’s not meant to be a debate I'm well aware of that. I'm giving my personal opinions, you're giving yours. You can't really avoid a debate on WG, it's bound to happen on any thread here. You can give your personal opinion without rudely disagreeing with others - just post what you think the best and worst written characters are, no need to reply to others telling them they’re wrong
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Post by scint on Dec 9, 2018 21:58:18 GMT -5
I'm well aware of that. I'm giving my personal opinions, you're giving yours. You can't really avoid a debate on WG, it's bound to happen on any thread here. You can give your personal opinion without rudely disagreeing with others - just post what you think the best and worst written characters are, no need to reply to others telling them they’re wrong I never said anyone was wrong for having an opinion. I wasn't trying to be rude whatsoever towards you on purpose. But I'm going to disagree, and that's something to expected on here. If I share my opinion on something, I'm sharing it and I'm not holding back. I'm not changing that, and you don't have to reply to my comment if it bugs you that much. You can ignore it. I'm not changing how I share my opinions just because it makes someone else feel upset, it's something you'll just have to put up with here on the forums.
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Post by whiteflight on Dec 9, 2018 23:17:09 GMT -5
The most for me is Hollyleaf
Worst is probably Lionblaze.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 9, 2018 23:48:03 GMT -5
Hmm....
Best written: Firestar: Coming of age character that faced more prejudice than any other cat, he proved himself numerous times, but also isn't perfect and made mistakes. Ivypool: Started out in the shadow of her sister, is an underdog character that worked hard to climb her ranks, and is a well respected in her clan, and very loyal. Violetshine: She's quite realistic, a product of her environment, who struggles with toxic relationships but then finding a way out and making her own happy ending. Cinderpelt: A medicine cat that strove to serve her clan in different ways despite her physical disabilities, she's a good role model, especially to younger readers that can see themselves in her.
Neutral: Twigbranch: Somewhat fickle, she's jumped around a bit, but I like that it shows the consequences of her actions and she learns from it. But personally, I think she deserves better than Finleap tbh... Hollyleaf: She started out interesting, but I think she was wasted potential or more like she wasn't utilized properly. But I guess I'll keep her n this group for her sacrifice. Jayfeather: Probably the best written of the three out of default, his personality is annoying, however, he did at least something compared to his siblings for the prophecy.
Worst: Lionblaze: Utterly wasted potential, his powers were only really used for romantic drama, honestly should have died instead of Hollyleaf in the final battle. Clear Sky: Inconsistent trash, he was a "happy mistake" the Erins took credit for when fans praised him, they took pride in how inconsistent he was too, ugh. Dovewing: She started out as unnecessary in the first place, just because the Erins didn't know what power to give Hollyleaf. Eventually, she becomes a trophy wife after abandoning her clan, and even emotionally blackmailing her mate which is so friggin gross.
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