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I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Dec 7, 2018 16:37:36 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the editors have the most involvement in DotC, and doesn't everyone supposedly praise that series, imo I think it's hot trash but lol. I find it rather ironic that people are just now catching on to how badly they operate... I reckon that their involvement wasn't bad -- or even welcomed by fans -- because it was a whole new slate. There weren't really any characters to mess up, I suppose? Like sure, characters can be OOC from time to time, but for the most part, they were building the characters from the bottom up, and deviations are part of that as different situations come up and how the characters react. With the main arcs, though, we have multiple scenes and countless books of how particular cats work and react to similar things, so it pisses people off that the editors throw all that out the window/write contradictions that make no sense/ignore corrections or lore that has long since been established, in that particular timeline of the modern day Clans. But on that note, yeah, I could never get into DOTC properly. It just never caught my interest. I read it through once back when each book was coming out, but I don't remember much from it. I vaguely remember liking Gray Wing and Tall Shadow, though, and a few others that are probably slipping my mind, and hating Star Flower.
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Post by Haze on Dec 7, 2018 16:59:55 GMT -5
I like AVoS and DotC, at least was way better than the shitstorm that was PoT and OotS.
If you look back you will find inconsistencies even in first arc of Warrior cats to be honest.
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Post by embertuft on Dec 7, 2018 17:22:39 GMT -5
I like AVoS and DotC, at least was way better than the shitstorm that was PoT and OotS. If you look back you will find inconsistencies even in first arc of Warrior cats to be honest. True I guess. Oots and PoT is the shitstorms of all shitstorms in a book series.
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 7, 2018 17:29:23 GMT -5
PoT is decent imo, it's OoTS that's the shitstorm for how messy it is.
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Post by Haze on Dec 7, 2018 17:32:37 GMT -5
PoT is decent imo, it's OoTS that's the shitstorm for how messy it is. I think that I can accept that just because of how interesting Sol was in PoT and Hollyleaf fall from grace.
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Post by sylveon on Dec 8, 2018 15:07:21 GMT -5
DOTC wasn't bad, it had its flaws but it's my favorite arc of the series. But I think, like someone said, it's because they were brand new characters and we didn't have scenes to contradict them.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 9, 2018 4:29:36 GMT -5
OotS is only a shitstorm because PoT was, that's the thing. There was honestly no need for the Erins to split those arcs, and it seems them not being able to figure out Hollyleaf's power was probably one of the reasons why. It was honestly really ridiculous. But I personally think that even DotC was worse than both of them because I didn't have the same type of investment in those characters. And despite starting with a blank slate they STILL manage to ruin that arc. I literally raged quit that series twice due to some of the character's incompetence, plot holes, and stupid inconsistencies.
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Post by embertuft on Dec 9, 2018 8:15:44 GMT -5
OotS is only a shitstorm because PoT was, that's the thing. There was honestly no need for the Erins to split those arcs, and it seems them not being able to figure out Hollyleaf's power was probably one of the reasons why. It was honestly really ridiculous. But I personally think that even DotC was worse than both of them because I didn't have the same type of investment in those characters. And despite starting with a blank slate they STILL manage to ruin that arc. I literally raged quit that series twice due to some of the character's incompetence, plot holes, and stupid inconsistencies. I know. Why didn’t they just give Hollyleaf Dovewing’s powers instead of Dovewing even needing to be relevant???
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Mayflower
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I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Dec 9, 2018 13:17:07 GMT -5
OotS is only a shitstorm because PoT was, that's the thing. There was honestly no need for the Erins to split those arcs, and it seems them not being able to figure out Hollyleaf's power was probably one of the reasons why. It was honestly really ridiculous. But I personally think that even DotC was worse than both of them because I didn't have the same type of investment in those characters. And despite starting with a blank slate they STILL manage to ruin that arc. I literally raged quit that series twice due to some of the character's incompetence, plot holes, and stupid inconsistencies. I know. Why didn’t they just give Hollyleaf Dovewing’s powers instead of Dovewing even needing to be relevant??? I get some characters not fitting the bill for a particular skill set, but it was definitely odd. I read somewhere (might've been here on this forum or in a fanfiction AU...) that someone liked the idea that Hollyleaf's power was sort of like persuasion. I'm fond of the possibility myself, after seeing the potential in it. They said she could maybe plant ideas into other cats' heads, or accidentally have them mirror her own thoughts and feelings if she feels strongly enough about something. Like Dovewing had to gradually work her way up to being able to hear the furthest reaches of every Clan's territory, Hollyleaf's power would be something that needed to be honed. She'd have to practice on one cat, then start to affect multiple cats, or maybe even massive crowds like the ones at Gatherings. That could've worked nicely with Jayfeather's power of reading emotions/memories (and minds? I know he could hear passing thoughts, but that he described some cats -- Mothwing and Crowfeather, for example -- having thorn-like barriers that are practically impossible to get through. Some cats might able to naturally fight Hollyleaf's power, too, if their will is strong enough). It'd be interesting to see if powers like that conflicted, because Jayfeather might realize what's happening before Hollyleaf does. Like Jayfeather is the brain, Hollyleaf is the heart, and Lionblaze is the brawn. Even though the powers were supposed to create a link between Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Dovewing, I never got the feeling that she quite clicked with them properly like Hollyleaf would have as the heart. It just felt like the powers weren't really connected.
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Post by halogen on Dec 9, 2018 15:19:29 GMT -5
That sounds like a great idea with Hollyleaf! Though I think she would actually be fine with Dovewing's powers too - she wants to know/understand everything, and then being Able to see and hear like Dovewing would allow her to see things beyond the Clans and the code and, combined with her interactions with Sol, make her question her belief that the warrior code is the only thing to give cats purpose in life, and also lead to her becoming more extreme in those views so she can convince herself - just like we saw her do in the original POT series with her interactions with Sol, though her having a power like that would make it more meaningful.
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Post by Haze on Dec 9, 2018 15:53:16 GMT -5
The problem is, THE POWERS NEVER DID ANYTHING.
Lionblaze was never relevant for the plot and his powers was only used for Cinderheart drama.
Jayfeather did have a important part of the history, that was to unite Starclan, but he didn't used his powers for that, only the usual medicine cat stuff of walking in Starclan.
Dovewing powers had relevance all around, with the beavers and the falling tree but never did anything with the Dark Forest plot, that was the main thing of the prophecy.
I would complain about the new editors, but OotS set the bar of what I find acceptable in the series so low that they would need to really f*** up the things to get a bad reaction from me.
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Post by Fireleap on Dec 9, 2018 19:58:53 GMT -5
The Erins can't even name their own characters nowadays. Sparkfire and Twigshade were great names, but they can't be used, and because of what I have no idea.
RC has SO many inconsistencies with their characters it's insane. Before the new editors the only huge mistake in the main arcs I can remember is Heavystep, but now we have the same exact problem with Beetlewhisker, which I feel is worse because his death was in a main character's POV, rather than Heavystep dying in the background. Plus he has his own apprentice which brings up the whole Cypresspaw/Wavepaw being removed which is a whole other thing in of itself. Plus Rippletail/Slatefur over in ShC. Ironically, what the old editors seemed to get the most flak for, being Crow/Dove/whoever else's eye color, the new editors don't seem to have a problem with.
I'm going to buy Lost Stars but if it turns out anything like the editorial garbage fire AVoS was I'm giving up.
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Post by embertuft on Dec 9, 2018 21:12:00 GMT -5
RIP CYPRESSPAW AND WAVEPAW
ONE PAGE OF WARRIORS-ONE PAGE OF WARRIORS
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Post by frostflower on Dec 9, 2018 21:37:35 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the editors have the most involvement in DotC, and doesn't everyone supposedly praise that series, imo I think it's hot trash but lol. I find it rather ironic that people are just now catching on to how badly they operate... Personally I loved DotC, but I think the series had lots of the same problems as the later series - lack of a main villain being one
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 9, 2018 23:34:58 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the editors have the most involvement in DotC, and doesn't everyone supposedly praise that series, imo I think it's hot trash but lol. I find it rather ironic that people are just now catching on to how badly they operate... Personally I loved DotC, but I think the series had lots of the same problems as the later series - lack of a main villain being one Slash, imo, is still one of the worse villains in the series, even worse than Sol, he had such a cringey 90's villain persona about him, ugh. Honestly the only actual tolerable villain was One-Eye for a while, but even then it was pretty corny.
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