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Post by embertuft on Dec 4, 2018 13:40:21 GMT -5
Warriors is one of the only series’s I am actually interested in, instead of Harry Potter or The Hunger Games. But the one thing getting right on my nerves is these DAMN EDITORS. Ffs, why can’t they just at least check the bloody books before they actually publish them? I’m looking forward to a new series, new POV, but what’s the point of it when we already know Shadowkit’s the main protagonist. i really don’t like Shadowkit, which is how the series has turned to shit for me before it’s even begun. Do they even know the names of characters? Bet they don’t care about the apprances or names of the cats either. it even happened in OoTS, cats just magically killed to greencough, or just disappear with Beetlewhisker into a magical place called immortality. And since when did half of RiverClan’s apprentices decide they were going to change genders, names and appearances? (Cypresspaw/Wavepaw/Softpaw/Gorsepaw/Harepaw- forgotten the other one/Breezepaw) And then there’s the Shellpaw incident- just make up their flippin minds wether a cats white or calico. Flypaw- is now messed up in my head, and I don’t even know what to think about HER anymore, meanwhile poor Spotpaw’s nonexistent, (and yet I still think she’s white with black spotted stripes) And then just then still have loads of mistakes in the process.
(btw I really don’t feel like debating so that would be great if you didn’t, thanks)
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Dec 4, 2018 14:07:34 GMT -5
This is why the authors ( and by extension, the editors at Working Partners) need to have a series bible detailing all of the events, character births, deaths, and any future developments plotted out or written down on a word document. I cannot stress this enough as an aspiring author. If you don’t have the world up to date with your recent installments, you are going to lose track on whose dead, alive, MIA, or how the world works.
I have made a separate document within one of my folders for the second installment in the tetralogy I’m working on that is meant to catalogue any recent additions or changes within the world I established in the previous novel. I also have a few character reference documents about a few of my characters that include their description, their gender or gender identities, their personality, fears, likes, dislikes, backstory, and I might include relationships at some point.
It boggles my mind that these editors, who are supposed to be professionals at this, failed to make sure that spelling mistakes, world building issues, character consistency, grammar, ideas, and paragraph and sentence structure, which are supposed to be corrected, are almost thrown out the window in favor for maximum profit. They also seem to think by the logic of the old excuse, “Oh, it’s for the middle grade/children’s section in the bookstore. They are not going to notice these mistakes, and they will buy it anyway because it is Warriors, and it will make us a ton of money regardless.”
A few brave reviewers, including myself, on Goodreads have given these recent installments negative reviews. Why? I think we want to send WP, Harper Collins, and the authors a clear message: what they are doing with the books is no longer working, and we are getting sick and tired of them using the same, boring tropes, cliches, and lack of character development in these books.
I sworn to never buy anymore Warriors books after this year. I have given AVOS more negative stars and reviews than I did with any other installments of the series. If that is not saying something about the quality of the crap you put out, than I don’t know what will get these people to get their stuff together and make great stories that are worth buying and enjoying them.
That’s my two cents on this.
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Post by embertuft on Dec 4, 2018 14:18:22 GMT -5
This is why the authors ( and by extension, the editors at Working Partners) need to have a series bible detailing all of the events, character births, deaths, and any future developments plotted out or written down on a word document. I cannot stress this enough as an aspiring author. If you don’t have the world up to date with your recent installments, you are going to lose track on whose dead, alive, MIA, or how the world works. I have made a separate document within one of my folders for the second installment in the tetralogy I’m working on that is meant to catalogue any recent additions or changes within the world I established in the previous novel. I also have a few character reference documents about a few of my characters that include their description, their gender or gender identities, their personality, fears, likes, dislikes, backstory, and I might include relationships at some point. It boggles my mind that these editors, who are supposed to be professionals at this, failed to make sure that spelling mistakes, world building issues, character consistency, grammar, ideas, and paragraph and sentence structure are almost thrown out the window, in favor for maximum profit. They also seem to think by the logic of the old excuse, “Oh, it’s for the middle grade/children’s section in the bookstore. They are not going to notice these mistakes, and they will buy it anyway because it is Warriors, and it will make us a ton of money regardless.” A few brave reviewers, including myself, on Goodreads have given these recent installments negative reviews. Why? I think we want to send WP, Harper Collins, and the authors a clear message: what they are doing with the books is no longer working, and we are getting sick and tired of them using the same, boring tropes, cliches, and lack of character development in these books. I sworn to never buy anymore Warriors books after this year. I have given AVOS more negative stars and reviews than I did with any other installments of the series. If that is not saying something about the quality of the crap you put out, than I don’t know what will get these people to get their stuff together and make great stories that are worth buying and enjoying them. That’s my two cents on this. Bloody hell, you’re even more prepared than the editors. I have to say well done to you for the amount of work it must’ve taken to do that. I am agreeing that I’m hetting sick of all these cliches and stuff which they use in the books. Tbh I read more fan fiction than the actual series.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Dec 4, 2018 14:29:14 GMT -5
Thank you. I want my series to be better than those currently in the market. I wish the Warriors team did the same.
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Post by embertuft on Dec 4, 2018 15:05:06 GMT -5
Thank you. I want my series to be better than those currently in the market. I wish the Warriors team did the same. No problem . Just wondering, are you rewriting the series’ or something like that?
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Post by scint on Dec 4, 2018 16:05:59 GMT -5
Agreed. The new editors really need to get their heads out of their a**es and cut the crap. Let the Erins write their own series. Now I actually like AVoS, but the way they executed it wasn't very good. I'll always read the Warriors books because it's the only thing that I'll actually read and Wings of Fire doesn't release as many books per year (but understandably so), but the editors really need to stop trashing Warriors. They had so many opportunities for this arc, and they wasted them by not letting the authors figure out their own series. The Erins barely have any control over the plot anymore, and the editors are pretty much dictating what they're allowed to write about in the universe of the fictional murder cats. The editors are supposed to edit the plot, not screw it up entirely. I think it's safe to say everyone in the fandom is fed up with their crap by now (or maybe even everyone who is involved in it). Twigbranch should've been Twigshade, Sparkpelt should've been Sparkfire, and there's probably more things that the editors screwed over because they want the series to go their own way that I don't know about.
I swear to StarClan, they'd better do good with The Broken Code this time around. Kate said it has a good underlying plot, and I really hope that's the case because the editors have screwed with us way too many times to count already. I think the only way to send a clear message to these idiots is for them to get spammed with thousands of complaint emails, but I wouldn't risk it. I still love AVoS, but these editors are just...yeah, I'm not typing anymore than I have to about this.
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 4, 2018 16:19:06 GMT -5
I wonder if they just don't care about the modern cats and plots that go along with them because they started with DoTC?
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Dec 4, 2018 18:24:48 GMT -5
Thank you. I want my series to be better than those currently in the market. I wish the Warriors team did the same. No problem . Just wondering, are you rewriting the series’ or something like that? No. This is an original work not related to Warriors.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 4, 2018 18:30:45 GMT -5
i've been preaching this crap for years. with a team THAT BIG, there should only be ONE person who decides canon information, write that crap down, and make sure NO ONE ELSE changes said canon information via bias. there SHOULD be a big document that the Erins AND editing team uses as a guide so NO ONE MESSES UP! it's so simple to fix this problem and yet they never learn!
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Post by embertuft on Dec 4, 2018 18:39:52 GMT -5
No problem . Just wondering, are you rewriting the series’ or something like that? No. This is an original work not related to Warriors. Ah, cool. Good luck with it!
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 4, 2018 19:20:09 GMT -5
Seriously though for keeping track of information, at the very least, they could use warriors wiki
"hey this looks like a good spot to mention catfur's eye color. what was it again?" *looks him up on the wiki* "oh yeah yellow ok"
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 4, 2018 19:36:26 GMT -5
Seriously though for keeping track of information, at the very least, they could use warriors wiki "hey this looks like a good spot to mention catfur's eye color. what was it again?" *looks him up on the wiki* "oh yeah yellow ok" Implying the wiki is in any way a good consistent source to use for a cat's appearance.
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Post by Owl on Dec 4, 2018 19:52:08 GMT -5
Seriously though for keeping track of information, at the very least, they could use warriors wiki "hey this looks like a good spot to mention catfur's eye color. what was it again?" *looks him up on the wiki* "oh yeah yellow ok" Implying the wiki is in any way a good consistent source to use for a cat's appearance. i always wonder why they go to the trouble of coloring an entirely new sprite just because a cat happened to be called gray instead of white one (ONE!) time
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 4, 2018 20:10:23 GMT -5
Seriously though for keeping track of information, at the very least, they could use warriors wiki "hey this looks like a good spot to mention catfur's eye color. what was it again?" *looks him up on the wiki* "oh yeah yellow ok" Implying the wiki is in any way a good consistent source to use for a cat's appearance. I mean yeah, but it's better than nothing
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Post by Sundance on Dec 4, 2018 22:14:18 GMT -5
I still can't believe the Editorial Team had the audacity to switch out Cypresspaw and Wavepaw for four completely unoriginal names. Kate has been with the series for 15 years and does all the heavy-lifting, yet the Editorial Team supposedly won't let her name minor background characters anymore? What a spit in the face. x( Their continuity errors are also so frustrating, especially given how BIG Warriors is and the amount of money they must make off it. I wonder if someone has ever emailed Working Partners with a huge list of all the silly mistakes and inconsistencies. :-P
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Post by scint on Dec 4, 2018 22:51:15 GMT -5
I still can't believe the Editorial Team had the audacity to switch out Cypresspaw and Wavepaw for four completely unoriginal names. Kate has been with the series for 15 years and does all the heavy-lifting, yet the Editorial Team supposedly won't let her name minor background characters anymore? What a spit in the face. x( Their continuity errors are also so frustrating, especially given how BIG Warriors is and the amount of money they must make off it. I wonder if someone has ever emailed Working Partners with a huge list of all the silly mistakes and inconsistencies. :-P I feel like an email addressing this is in order as well, I'm still really salty about them completely removing Cypresspaw and Wavepaw from the series like that. Honestly, the Editorial Team really shouldn't have this kind of power over the Erins, especially since they have the easier hand dealt to them in the progress of writing the series. It's not like they're the ones writing all these books. I honestly want to email Working Partners (or whoever else is responsible that is contactable through email) and give them the entire, long list of mistakes they've made recently, but I really don't want to take that risk if I'm being honest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 23:07:50 GMT -5
The amount of money the erins must have gotten signing away this must control must be pretty nice tho
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Post by Mayflower on Dec 4, 2018 23:14:21 GMT -5
Frankly, I find it very disrespectful. Kate and Cherith have been with the series from literally the start. How does that not earn them respect? Kate has tried time and time again to tell them things (Beetlewhisker is dead, Ambermoon's name doesn't fit with the lore, etc.) or wants something to happen (make Sparkpelt a bigger character, have Sparkpelt's name be Sparkfire, have Twigbranch's name be Twigshade or Twigleaf, etc.), but the editors don't care. Tiny things like Wavepaw being a character or Twigbranch being named Twigshade are so minor, but the editors cut it out/changed it/ignore her...why? Is it really such a big deal that Cypresspaw and Wavepaw existed, or the other BlogClan names that Kate tried to get in? She's just trying to give a tiny bit back to the fans. Is it some sort of copyright issue or whatever that I'm not understanding? Even beyond that, they ignore her so damn much. I find it bewildering, annoying, and stifling as hell, and I'm not even Kate having to deal with them! I'm flabbergasted how the editors basically keep giving her the middle finger. There's no telling if Cherith has tried to tell them things, too, since we pretty much have no contact with her.
If they want so much control (...which they have, but whatever), then they might as well write it themselves, since they don't give a crap about what she says.
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Post by scint on Dec 5, 2018 1:38:25 GMT -5
there's something i've been wondering about for a while:have the editors always had such a large amount of control over the series? i mean, it's obvious they've always decided quite a bit within the plot, but it feels like back in the days of pot/oots, the erins never once mentioned not being able to name kits and warriors, and it also felt like they actually incorporated their own little ideas I think it might be a newer editing team, I'm honestly not sure. I'm pretty sure that before DotC and AVoS that the editors had some control, but not too much (you know, when they actually edited the books instead of forcing their own crap into the books). Now it's just out of hand, so I think it's probably a newer team.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Dec 5, 2018 2:47:11 GMT -5
Kate's situation is far from unusual in the publishing world. Publishing companies pretty much own their writers. Kate would obviously be under a contract, which is why she is still on the team or with at HC at all. Breaking said contract would lead to legal action. HC is really the problem, not the editors. They were the ones who gave some much power to the editors in the first place. Publishing companies have been getting away with abusing authors for decades.
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Post by Kibui on Dec 5, 2018 6:54:43 GMT -5
there's something i've been wondering about for a while:have the editors always had such a large amount of control over the series? i mean, it's obvious they've always decided quite a bit within the plot, but it feels like back in the days of pot/oots, the erins never once mentioned not being able to name kits and warriors, and it also felt like they actually incorporated their own little ideas Originally the only editors as far as I know were Vicky and Tui, although Vicky seems to have pulled the strings/developed the stories and characters. Tui eventually left the Erins to work on Wings of Fire while Vicky was degraded a while later to work only on the Novellas while a new editoral team which we barely know anything about (or at least I don't) took over by Thunder Rising. After SH, Vicky left the series as well (or was forced to, I don't know tbh) ---- Also you guys haven't seen bad editing til you've looked at Germany's most recent Warriors books. On top of the mistakes carried over from the English books, one or two chapters usually have more mistakes than the entire book in it's original language (typing errors, cats getting different translations than in the books before, cats being mistaken or swapped out for other characters, whole passages of the book missing, the translators/editors being unfamiliar with the cats' vocabulary and translating things like badger ride with what's basically your word for piggyback ride, etc. etc.). Heck, River of Fire's blurb claims that Onestar is ShadowClan's leader it's that bad
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Dec 5, 2018 7:49:36 GMT -5
there's something i've been wondering about for a while:have the editors always had such a large amount of control over the series? i mean, it's obvious they've always decided quite a bit within the plot, but it feels like back in the days of pot/oots, the erins never once mentioned not being able to name kits and warriors, and it also felt like they actually incorporated their own little ideas Originally the only editors as far as I know were Vicky and Tui, although Vicky seems to have pulled the strings/developed the stories and characters. Tui eventually left the Erins to work on Wings of Fire while Vicky was degraded a while later to work only on the Novellas while a new editoral team which we barely know anything about (or at least I don't) took over by Thunder Rising. After SH, Vicky left the series as well (or was forced to, I don't know tbh) ---- Also you guys haven't seen bad editing til you've looked at Germany's most recent Warriors books. On top of the mistakes carried over from the English books, one or two chapters usually have more mistakes than the entire book in it's original language (typing errors, cats getting different translations than in the books before, cats being mistaken or swapped out for other characters, whole passages of the book missing, the translators/editors being unfamiliar with the cats' vocabulary and translating things like badger ride with what's basically your word for piggyback ride, etc. etc.). Heck, River of Fire's blurb claims that Onestar is ShadowClan's leader it's that bad Vicky left the series because she is battling cancer and she felt that she could no longer continue writing in the Warriors universe anymore.
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 5, 2018 8:08:31 GMT -5
Originally the only editors as far as I know were Vicky and Tui, although Vicky seems to have pulled the strings/developed the stories and characters. Tui eventually left the Erins to work on Wings of Fire while Vicky was degraded a while later to work only on the Novellas while a new editoral team which we barely know anything about (or at least I don't) took over by Thunder Rising. After SH, Vicky left the series as well (or was forced to, I don't know tbh) ---- Also you guys haven't seen bad editing til you've looked at Germany's most recent Warriors books. On top of the mistakes carried over from the English books, one or two chapters usually have more mistakes than the entire book in it's original language (typing errors, cats getting different translations than in the books before, cats being mistaken or swapped out for other characters, whole passages of the book missing, the translators/editors being unfamiliar with the cats' vocabulary and translating things like badger ride with what's basically your word for piggyback ride, etc. etc.). Heck, River of Fire's blurb claims that Onestar is ShadowClan's leader it's that bad Vicky left the series because she is battling cancer and she felt that she could no longer continue writing in the Warriors universe anymore. She left when the Spottedleaf's Heart fiasco turned on her too.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Dec 5, 2018 8:09:55 GMT -5
Vicky left the series because she is battling cancer and she felt that she could no longer continue writing in the Warriors universe anymore. She left when the Spottedleaf's Heart fiasco turned on her too. True, that was also a contributing factor.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 5, 2018 21:31:03 GMT -5
You're not wrong.
I get so annoyed with the mistakes being made in these books, too. And the books themselves are just not as interesting and exciting anymore. It's like they've forgotten how to tell a good story.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 7, 2018 4:45:09 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the editors have the most involvement in DotC, and doesn't everyone supposedly praise that series, imo I think it's hot trash but lol. I find it rather ironic that people are just now catching on to how badly they operate...
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Post by embertuft on Dec 7, 2018 14:26:28 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the editors have the most involvement in DotC, and doesn't everyone supposedly praise that series, imo I think it's hot trash but lol. I find it rather ironic that people are just now catching on to how badly they operate... I first caught on it when I read DotC straight away. Series seemed weird, and I didn’t really like it tbh.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 7, 2018 16:24:11 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the editors have the most involvement in DotC, and doesn't everyone supposedly praise that series, imo I think it's hot trash but lol. I find it rather ironic that people are just now catching on to how badly they operate... If they did have a huge involvement in DOTC, it shows. I couldn't get past the second book because of how terrible it was. Heck, Warriors has been awful since POT.
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