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Post by scint on Dec 2, 2018 22:11:57 GMT -5
I have some friends who love the ship, but for the love of me I can't seem to like it at all. Personally? I think it's a really toxic ship, especially from Blossomfall's end. So yes, I hate it. What do you all think of it?
(And I just found out that DovewingxBlossomfall exists...spare me.)
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 2, 2018 22:19:49 GMT -5
I will never ship it.
Closest I get is IvyFernBlossomThorn
but I really dislike IvyBlossom
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Post by Mayflower on Dec 2, 2018 22:27:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I also never got the hype...if anything, I only ever pictured them as friends. I get wanting LGBTA+ ships (hell, I'm in the community myself), but I never see it for them. They only ever interacted a few times, and many of them were pretty negative or tense. There was one scene of vulnerability in the tunnels, then that was it -- except the battle, but Ivypool was concentrating on all the trainees, and it wasn't a one-on-one conversation between the two.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 2, 2018 22:37:42 GMT -5
I don't like it. The fans can be pretty annoying too. Its okay to want rep in a kids book, but not toxic ones like Ivy x Blossom, which honestly just wouldn't work out in the long run. There are other pairings in the series with far more chemistry than Ivy and Blossom had in just one scene. Like Cinder x Holly, Needletail x Zelda, Leafpool alone can be easily paired with Sorreltail, Mothwing and Cody. There was also that whole mess where Lionblaze was totally into Stormfur, and Toadstep was totally into him, etc. Darkstripe's entire idolization of Tigerstar, it's not healthy but it actually makes sense. And then there's the canon, and healthy mind you, pairings fo Tall and Jake, alongside Barley and Ravenpaw, which imo are written just fine.
My problem with Blossom and Ivy is that they only really had one meaningful moment, and even then it was just to help with the family drama in Blossom's reasoning for being in the DF. Nothing else, nor toward one another.
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 3, 2018 5:56:32 GMT -5
HATE it.
Def. my least favorite f/f couple in Warriors to date. It has more potential to be toxic than healthy, but fans of the couple don't see that possibility. Speaking of which, the rabid fans of the ship are annoying as hell and only make me hate it more.
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Post by finland on Dec 3, 2018 9:22:20 GMT -5
I have no opinion on it. I used to love it, but now I don't care. I don't ship anything in Warriors anymore. I do dislike Blossom x Thorn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 9:43:31 GMT -5
I never really saw the reasoning for this pairing at all. From what I've learned in Fading Echoes, Blossomfall was like a bully to Ivypool at first before becoming something of a friend or sorts in Sign Of The Moon. So to be frank, I didn't really see anything pairing-worthy about these two.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 4, 2018 6:33:37 GMT -5
I'm actually disappointed they axed Toadstep, because I remember it was noted Blossomfall had a crush on him. Thornclaw, on the other hand, could have remained single, and if they had to pair him up with someone it could have easily been either Daisy or Minty from BrS, smh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 7:09:34 GMT -5
I still like it and have my own reasonings that I'm too lazy to type out but. I think its not as unhealthy as a lot of people say, and I think they've both matured past their apprentice days where they bickered and didn't get along. its a pretty common trope for characters to go from enemies to lovers, and it can be really cool if done well. Personally I think people are too eager to judge this ship as "toxic" just because of 1-2 chapters from their apprenticeship. People grow and change, and I'm like 99.99999% sure Blossomfall and Ivypool get along now. At the very least, Blossomfall doesn't make rude comments to her anymore, because why should she? They left off as friends, and Ivypool is a very respected warrior. In an AU where Fernsong and Thornclaw dont get shoehorned in as their mates, I could see them working well together as partners.
there's my unpopular opinion of the day (at least on this site)
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 4, 2018 9:33:41 GMT -5
I still like it and have my own reasonings that I'm too lazy to type out but. I think its not as unhealthy as a lot of people say, and I think they've both matured past their apprentice days where they bickered and didn't get along. its a pretty common trope for characters to go from enemies to lovers, and it can be really cool if done well. Personally I think people are too eager to judge this ship as "toxic" just because of 1-2 chapters from their apprenticeship. People grow and change, and I'm like 99.99999% sure Blossomfall and Ivypool get along now. At the very least, Blossomfall doesn't make rude comments to her anymore, because why should she? They left off as friends, and Ivypool is a very respected warrior. In an AU where Fernsong and Thornclaw dont get shoehorned in as their mates, I could see them working well together as partners. there's my unpopular opinion of the day (at least on this site) Ivypool and Blossomfall don't even interact as of AVoS. So we have no damn idea where they stand when it comes to one another regardless.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 4, 2018 9:40:16 GMT -5
I still like it and have my own reasonings that I'm too lazy to type out but. I think its not as unhealthy as a lot of people say, and I think they've both matured past their apprentice days where they bickered and didn't get along. its a pretty common trope for characters to go from enemies to lovers, and it can be really cool if done well. Personally I think people are too eager to judge this ship as "toxic" just because of 1-2 chapters from their apprenticeship. People grow and change, and I'm like 99.99999% sure Blossomfall and Ivypool get along now. At the very least, Blossomfall doesn't make rude comments to her anymore, because why should she? They left off as friends, and Ivypool is a very respected warrior. In an AU where Fernsong and Thornclaw dont get shoehorned in as their mates, I could see them working well together as partners. there's my unpopular opinion of the day (at least on this site) Except the enemies to lovers trope doesn't apply here, Blossomfall and Ivypool were never enemies, and even then that doesn't excuse that their relationship was and still can be unhealthy. I think the trope you're looking for is the rivals to lovers trope, which honestly can be applied to almost any relationship that has bickering. And even in a scenario where Thornclaw and Fernsong don't become their respected mates, there's literally nothing there. They had one moment, literally, or am I missing something? There was only one moment where they actually "bonded" while warriors and it was over Blossomfall's drama with her mother and her training in the DF. But that's about it. No offense, but even as someone who supports and likes f/f pairings, I still don't understand how and where the momentum of the ship comes from either from the fact that they're both she-cats and things like that tend to blow up on tumblr. It's a bit strange to brush off 1-2 supposed chapters of Blossomfall bullying Ivypool but then praise the one or so chapter they actually spent any time together otherwise. Even friendship wise, Ivypool had more moments with Bumblestripe than her, which is rather ironic imo.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 4, 2018 9:41:30 GMT -5
I still like it and have my own reasonings that I'm too lazy to type out but. I think its not as unhealthy as a lot of people say, and I think they've both matured past their apprentice days where they bickered and didn't get along. its a pretty common trope for characters to go from enemies to lovers, and it can be really cool if done well. Personally I think people are too eager to judge this ship as "toxic" just because of 1-2 chapters from their apprenticeship. People grow and change, and I'm like 99.99999% sure Blossomfall and Ivypool get along now. At the very least, Blossomfall doesn't make rude comments to her anymore, because why should she? They left off as friends, and Ivypool is a very respected warrior. In an AU where Fernsong and Thornclaw dont get shoehorned in as their mates, I could see them working well together as partners. there's my unpopular opinion of the day (at least on this site) Ivypool and Blossomfall don't even interact as of AVoS. So we have no damn idea where they stand when it comes to one another regardless. They don't even interact in the nursery, oof. Actually scratch that, they do, but ironically, only when they're both pregnant and in the nursery, and it's only a side note made from Alderheart.
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Post by finland on Dec 4, 2018 10:54:42 GMT -5
Ivypool and Blossomfall don't even interact as of AVoS. So we have no damn idea where they stand when it comes to one another regardless. They don't even interact in the nursery, oof. Actually scratch that, they do, but ironically, only when they're both pregnant and in the nursery, and it's only a side note made from Alderheart. Do we even see them in the nursery? Like on screen?
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Post by Fawnwing on Dec 4, 2018 14:08:40 GMT -5
I hate it. It makes no sense. One of my least warriors pairings based on reasons people already mentioned here ;u;
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Post by *Faith* on Dec 4, 2018 14:21:10 GMT -5
Some ships I'll never get.
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Post by *Faith* on Dec 4, 2018 16:39:10 GMT -5
There are other pairings in the series with far more chemistry than Ivy and Blossom had in just one scene. Like Cinder x Holly, Needletail x Zelda, Leafpool alone can be easily paired with Sorreltail, Mothwing and Cody. NeedletailxZelda? Don't you mean VioletshinexZelda? I don't think Needletail and Zelda have ever even spoken to each other.
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Post by Haze on Dec 4, 2018 16:48:40 GMT -5
People ship both only because Blossomfall is the only she-cat that is not her sister and mother that Ivypool had a conversation I guess.
But yeah have way better ships, Hollyleaf X Willowshine per example, the former visited the later in Riverclan just to see if she was fine, because like always Riverclan is starving for some reason.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 4, 2018 17:10:20 GMT -5
There are other pairings in the series with far more chemistry than Ivy and Blossom had in just one scene. Like Cinder x Holly, Needletail x Zelda, Leafpool alone can be easily paired with Sorreltail, Mothwing and Cody. NeedletailxZelda? Don't you mean VioletshinexZelda? I don't think Needletail and Zelda have ever even spoken to each other. Yeah you're right, I meant to say Violetshine and Zelda, lol.
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Post by kinkajou on Dec 4, 2018 17:21:29 GMT -5
I wonder if ppl would ship it as much if one of them was a tom
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 4, 2018 17:27:26 GMT -5
I wonder if ppl would ship it as much if one of them was a tom Doubtful, because a huge portion of the fandom HC's them both as lesbian, and we certainly can't have another one of those "boring cishet ships" amirite? Honestly if a ship being hetero is all it takes to make a couple completely utterly uninteresting to people they got their shipping priorities out of wack. M/M and F/F ships are no more interesting than M/F ones. All that's different is one is of two different genders together. That's literally all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 21:08:30 GMT -5
I still like it and have my own reasonings that I'm too lazy to type out but. I think its not as unhealthy as a lot of people say, and I think they've both matured past their apprentice days where they bickered and didn't get along. its a pretty common trope for characters to go from enemies to lovers, and it can be really cool if done well. Personally I think people are too eager to judge this ship as "toxic" just because of 1-2 chapters from their apprenticeship. People grow and change, and I'm like 99.99999% sure Blossomfall and Ivypool get along now. At the very least, Blossomfall doesn't make rude comments to her anymore, because why should she? They left off as friends, and Ivypool is a very respected warrior. In an AU where Fernsong and Thornclaw dont get shoehorned in as their mates, I could see them working well together as partners. there's my unpopular opinion of the day (at least on this site) Ivypool and Blossomfall don't even interact as of AVoS. So we have no damn idea where they stand when it comes to one another regardless. bruh I said they left off as friends from the last time we saw them, which was in oots. didn't say anything about their relationship in avos. dont get snippy w me omg its a harmless opinion of mine
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on Dec 4, 2018 21:33:37 GMT -5
I see them more as good friends
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Post by Mayflower on Dec 4, 2018 23:21:47 GMT -5
I think my problem with the ship, too, is that it would be one of few LGBTA+ ships, and that's not the representation I want, with how BlossomIvy's relationship was written. I'm fully and painfully aware that there are unhealthy, toxic relationships in the LGBTA+ community (there's even statistics of more abuse than cis couples, right? I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember reading articles about it a few years back when it caught my interest), but with so few non-straight couples in Warriors, I don't want that to be seen in the forefront. It'd almost certainly be in the spotlight, since Ivypool is a main character, and so is Blossomfall, being one of the few ThunderClan Dark Forest trainees. If non-straight couples were common in the series, then I probably wouldn't mind, since we have plenty of examples of unhealthy straight ships, like Yellowfang and Raggedpelt or Spottedleaf and Thistleclaw. That way, we'd see both sides of the coin: unhealthy LGBTA+ couples and healthy ones. But since there'd almost certainly be only a few, I'd be wary of how that representation comes off, if that makes sense? It just seems like it'd be easy to latch onto an unhealthy non-straight couple and twist it...we already get that with bad straight couples in Warriors. We don't need it with the LGBTA+ ones, too lol
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Post by Brindlefern on Dec 5, 2018 4:18:28 GMT -5
Ivypool and Blossomfall don't even interact as of AVoS. So we have no damn idea where they stand when it comes to one another regardless. bruh I said they left off as friends from the last time we saw them, which was in oots. didn't say anything about their relationship in avos. dont get snippy w me omg its a harmless opinion of mine I wasn't even agitated when I wrote that? But go off I guess. :/
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Post by Basement Cat on Dec 5, 2018 5:19:18 GMT -5
It amazes me on how vitriolic the forums are towards this ship. Make a topic on it bashing it, and you get easy forum likes.
As for me, I like the concept and possibility. It strikes me very much like Cloudtail and Brightheart, where the relationship is built upon caring for one another and putting aside past differences, rather than straight up romance. It could have potential to be really well done if handled right.
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Post by chimken nugget on Dec 5, 2018 6:56:22 GMT -5
I'm actually disappointed they axed Toadstep, because I remember it was noted Blossomfall had a crush on him. Thornclaw, on the other hand, could have remained single, and if they had to pair him up with someone it could have easily been either Daisy or Minty from BrS, smh. Blossom x Toad is nice (imo anything is better than BlossomThorn) but didn’t Whitewing also say once that Ivypool and Toadstep were getting along really well?
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Post by scint on Dec 5, 2018 7:12:21 GMT -5
It amazes me on how vitriolic the forums are towards this ship. Make a topic on it bashing it, and you get easy forum likes. As for me, I like the concept and possibility. It strikes me very much like Cloudtail and Brightheart, where the relationship is built upon caring for one another and putting aside past differences, rather than straight up romance. It could have potential to be really well done if handled right. I didn't make this topic to bash it, or just to get easy forum likes. I was genuinely curious about the opinion over here since there's usually different opinions across each place in the fandom, but I guess I'm not allowed to make anything related to BlossomIvy because I don't like it, am I? It's an opinion and I'm keeping it, but it isn't the main reason why I made this thread.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 5, 2018 7:32:45 GMT -5
I hate it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 15:54:15 GMT -5
Blossomfall deserves better.
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Post by trans-redtail on Dec 5, 2018 16:17:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I like it. Ships don't have to be grounded in canon. AshxHawk exists lol. I think they'd be a more interesting pairing than 90% of the relationships we've had in the last... 4 series.
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