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Post by russetfrost on Nov 23, 2018 17:50:16 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that out of the hundreds of characters, we don't that many disabled characters and that some of those disabled characters were not treated very well. If you could add any type of disabled character, what would it be?
I think a mute character that speaks through cat sign language and if they could take they'd be a chatterbox would be interesting. Personally, I'd really like to see more mentally disabled characters too.
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Post by scint on Nov 23, 2018 18:19:53 GMT -5
Yes, I wish we had more disabled characters. In my Warriors AU story on FFN, one of my reviewers submitted an OC to me that was mute that I placed in WindClan along with her OC's sister. The entirety of WindClan made up a sign language to be able to tell what the character is saying. Currently this OC's an apprentice and I think I might make the OC deputy/leader of WindClan by the end of the series.
I'd actually like to see a tripod cat in Warriors. A tripod cat is a three legged cat, and I think it'd be an interesting concept to explore. Two mental disabilities (I wouldn't call them disabilities, per say but...) I'd like to see in Warriors for a main POV is autism/depression since it's definitely possible for cats to have these mental illnesses, and the fact that this would make characters more relatable for some. But I'm really just hoping for more diversity in the Warriors universe, honestly.
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Post by Haze on Nov 23, 2018 18:25:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that that 90% of the Riverclan is mute.
But let's see...
Cinderpelt - Twisted hind leg Briarlight - Damaged Spine Deadfoot - Twisted front leg Jagged Peak - Damaged hind leg Snowkit - Deaf Jayfeather - Blind Brightheart - lost half the face Longtail - Blind Gray Wing - Asthma Fallowfern - Deaf Shrewtooth - PTSD Mother Flight - Attention deficit disorder Frost - Damaged front leg
Probably have more, but these are the ones that I remember.
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Post by Pince on Nov 23, 2018 18:36:24 GMT -5
I think it would be cool if there was a kit/apprentice that grows later than they are supposed to. This would mean the aren't as strong as they should be by a few moons.
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Post by Haze on Nov 23, 2018 18:47:04 GMT -5
I think it would be cool if there was a kit/apprentice that grows later than they are supposed to. This would mean the aren't as strong as they should be by a few moons. I think that Crookedstar was like that because he couldn't eat well with his injured jaw, and he even says that nobody in the clan thought that he would grow that big. And then we have Littlecloud that was extremely small for a warrior.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 23, 2018 19:14:32 GMT -5
Front leg injuries are not crippling to a cat's overall abilities. It weakens them but it can be survived and have the cat still able to give their licks in turn Among all disabilities this one is probably one of the easier ones to get around, as Deadfoot shows.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 23, 2018 20:03:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that that 90% of the Riverclan is mute. But let's see... Cinderpelt - Twisted hind leg (Became a medicine cat because she thought she was useless otherwise)Briarlight - Damaged Spine (At some point tried to starve herself because she felt like a burden)Deadfoot - Twisted front leg (Became deputy but was killed off screen)Jagged Peak - Damaged hind leg (Eventually found happiness but his clan has little respect for him tbh)Snowkit - Deaf (Literally died only to give his mother a reason to retire)Jayfeather - Blind (Forced to become a medicine cat)Brightheart - lost half the face (Got one apprentice, lost him, was promised a new one, never got one)Longtail - Blind (Forced to retire early, lived for some time but was crushed by a tree)Gray Wing - Asthma (Eventually died, just when he finally had his own mate and kits, yikes)Fallowfern - Deaf (I don't believe it was ever shown on screen just stated by the authors?)Shrewtooth - PTSD (What ever happened to him?)Mother Flight - Attention deficit disorder (Becomes a medicine cat, starting the trend technically)Frost - Damaged front leg (Murdered by Snake in the first battle of AVoS)Probably have more, but these are the ones that I remember.
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Post by Haze on Nov 23, 2018 20:16:46 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that that 90% of the Riverclan is mute. But let's see... Cinderpelt - Twisted hind leg (Became a medicine cat because she thought she was useless otherwise)Briarlight - Damaged Spine (At some point tried to starve herself because she felt like a burden)Deadfoot - Twisted front leg (Became deputy but was killed off screen)Jagged Peak - Damaged hind leg (Eventually found happiness but his clan has little respect for him tbh)Snowkit - Deaf (Literally died only to give his mother a reason to retire)Jayfeather - Blind (Forced to become a medicine cat)Brightheart - lost half the face (Got one apprentice, lost him, was promised a new one, never got one)Longtail - Blind (Forced to retire early, lived for some time but was crushed by a tree)Gray Wing - Asthma (Eventually died, just when he finally had his own mate and kits, yikes)Fallowfern - Deaf (I don't believe it was ever shown on screen just stated by the authors?)Shrewtooth - PTSD (What ever happened to him?)Mother Flight - Attention deficit disorder (Becomes a medicine cat, starting the trend technically)Frost - Damaged front leg (Murdered by Snake in the first battle of AVoS)Probably have more, but these are the ones that I remember. Shrewtooth is that cat from Skyclan Destiny that had a housefolk that cruel to him and made him have a really timid and he had was triggered once in the book too. Fallowfern had a scene where she was caught by Shadowclan collecting twigs for dens in their territory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 20:44:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Jagged Peak's Clan had little respect for him. In the beginning, sure, they treated him as this fragile little thing who couldn't even leave camp but toward the end he was taking leadership roles and even acted kind of like a deputy for Tall Shadow before re-joining WindClan, and he had gained the respect of many cats in multiple clans
I like the idea of a mute cat tho who communicates solely through body language, like tail and ear flicks, purrs, chirps, etc.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 23, 2018 22:42:48 GMT -5
Maybe a cat that speaks another language? Not that thats necessarily a disability, but if they’re the only cat to speak it it could make communication difficult. Hell, maybe another group entirely that’s somewhat like the clans and they speak an entirely different language.
On the other hand, I’d really like to see a deaf cat succeed, and maybe a cat born without a limb do well too. I think that’d be interesting.
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Post by Smokyyy on Nov 24, 2018 12:42:19 GMT -5
I'd add a tripod cat as well as a cat who's mute.
In my fanfic, one of the character's is a tripod cat and has a buddy who's a one legged cat who has a wheelchair. Idk, I just love the idea of more disabled warriors and stuff
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 14:30:26 GMT -5
Maybe a cat that speaks another language? Not that thats necessarily a disability, but if they’re the only cat to speak it it could make communication difficult. Hell, maybe another group entirely that’s somewhat like the clans and they speak an entirely different language. On the other hand, I’d really like to see a deaf cat succeed, and maybe a cat born without a limb do well too. I think that’d be interesting. I always thought that would be interesting. I doubt the clans would vary much due to them meeting each other each month- but due to the lack of contact the clans would probably speak a different language than anyone else around them- at least according to language change theory. Most kittypets would probably have the same language and the Tribe would have their own as well- howbeit more similar to the clans than to the kittypets.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 24, 2018 16:46:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that that 90% of the Riverclan is mute. Gray Wing - Asthma Mother Flight - Attention deficit disorder Going on this, Nightstar also has asthma. And I'm pretty sure Flypaw has ADD. It's not a confirmation or anything, but she does act a lot like young Moth Flight.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 24, 2018 21:27:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Jagged Peak's Clan had little respect for him. In the beginning, sure, they treated him as this fragile little thing who couldn't even leave camp but toward the end he was taking leadership roles and even acted kind of like a deputy for Tall Shadow before re-joining WindClan, and he had gained the respect of many cats in multiple clans I like the idea of a mute cat tho who communicates solely through body language, like tail and ear flicks, purrs, chirps, etc. Even when he became a warrior, it's the same case though, there was the scene where he made a suggestion over the whole flower situation, and it was a good one at that, but overall was ignored, and someone else took credit for his idea if I remember correctly.
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on Nov 24, 2018 22:26:10 GMT -5
As a disabled person myself I find it disgusting how they treat their disabled cats in the books. As Maplefrost pointed out, all the disabled cats in the series are treated badly, the worst case being poor Snowkit. My friend has a story where the main character’s love interest was blinded when she was young but... 1. She’s very well respected despite being young 2. Is doing a job that she wanted to do even before being blinded 3. Has a great life ahead of her according to my friend
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 7:12:45 GMT -5
I don't think the treatment of the disabled cats in this series should be used accurately to real life human mortality. The Erins are just writing what's accurate to the world. Remember those are still wild cats who have no concept of mental illness/diseases or terms for extended families like Grandma etc. They still sleep in bushes and have to catch their own prey without tools and eat it raw. Of course, those less then cavemen cats ain't going to have the processive morals of today's developed world. And considering their very few resources are the difference between life and death, they may not have the time/energy necessary for the special training required to make sure one single cat can be a warrior: There's a reason why they have "No one cat above the Whole Clan." As it's literally needed for survival.
For example: Do people really expect those Clan cats, who have no experience with deafness, to somehow figure out they can train Snowkit using body language? Not even that, since it doesn't exist in that world yet, so they'd have to invert an entirely new language from nothing just to train one cat?
To put my point further: This is a society where it's normal to be a murderer. Hollyleaf for example. She tried to kill her own birth mother because she found she was adopted. Then ran away from her family and lived in isolation for awhile. By real world standards or human-set stories, fans yelling for her to locked up in prison for a life time. However due to Warriors being unable to have prisons and many others being murderers, fans will consider self-exile/willing isolation a suitable punishment.
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Post by Rio on Nov 25, 2018 7:20:18 GMT -5
I'd love the POV of a hearing impaired cat that is technically Deaf but still has a level of hearing and as a result does talk. It would be interesting for her hearing impairment to not really be bought up until she interacts with a cat (possible from outside of her clan) who makes a big deal over struggling to understand what she is saying. Maybe the other cat could also have a POV and over time, they could develop a really good understanding and respect for one another.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 25, 2018 9:25:54 GMT -5
I'd love the POV of a hearing impaired cat that is technically Deaf but still has a level of hearing and as a result does talk. It would be interesting for her hearing impairment to not really be bought up until she interacts with a cat (possible from outside of her clan) who makes a big deal over struggling to understand what she is saying. Maybe the other cat could also have a POV and over time, they could develop a really good understanding and respect for one another. Would it not make more sense if the deaf cat was full deaf? Some deaf people pick up on verbal language anyway, even if they don't use it much and talk in a slurred way. If they can still hear a little, then they'd probably not have so strong an accent(so to speak) as to be hard to understand. Unless it's just hearing...idk, really high noises like screams or low ones like monsters.
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Post by Rio on Nov 25, 2018 11:33:09 GMT -5
I'd love the POV of a hearing impaired cat that is technically Deaf but still has a level of hearing and as a result does talk. It would be interesting for her hearing impairment to not really be bought up until she interacts with a cat (possible from outside of her clan) who makes a big deal over struggling to understand what she is saying. Maybe the other cat could also have a POV and over time, they could develop a really good understanding and respect for one another. Would it not make more sense if the deaf cat was full deaf? Some deaf people pick up on verbal language anyway, even if they don't use it much and talk in a slurred way. If they can still hear a little, then they'd probably not have so strong an accent(so to speak) as to be hard to understand. Unless it's just hearing...idk, really high noises like screams or low ones like monsters. She could definitely be fully Deaf, the only reason I say that she still retains a slight level of hearing is because when I took my BSL course, I found quite a few people fell into that level of hearing impairment. They were deaf or Deaf but with a hearing aid they did have a small degree of hearing and I just found their perspectives particularly interesting to learn about.
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Post by halogen on Nov 26, 2018 18:44:36 GMT -5
Also Whitewater (blind in one eye), Lilywhisker (damaged hind leg) and both One-eyes of course.
And then there are the cats missing a tail or whatever, Halftail apparently retired because him missing half his tail made it too hard to balance but Berrynose gets around just fine.
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Post by Haze on Nov 26, 2018 19:04:32 GMT -5
Have Pink Eyes too, he have really bad eyesight and is a albino cat, the first and only albino in the series I think.
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Post by mistral on Nov 27, 2018 4:50:26 GMT -5
Also Whitewater (blind in one eye), Lilywhisker (damaged hind leg) and both One-eyes of course. And then there are the cats missing a tail or whatever, Halftail apparently retired because him missing half his tail made it too hard to balance but Berrynose gets around just fine. Berrynose lost his tail at a very young age, and so was still learning to use his tail anyway. Halftail was a fully grown cat when he lost his and thus was far too used to having a complete tail to have ever adjusted properly.
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