Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 19:53:16 GMT -5 kinkajou, *Faith*, and 5 more like this

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Post by Ligerfrost on Nov 20, 2018 19:53:16 GMT -5

So I've been saying for the longest time that the allegiances for the first series can't really be trusted because it doesn't list all the cats in the other Clans. So I decided to make a proper list for each book based off what is said in: the main books, SEs, Novella's and Guides. If I'm unsure if a cat was dead or not at the time I will add them anyway if they weren't given an actual death or an off screen death later on. I won't do descriptions right now just names.

I will posting as I research each Clan so far I have ThunderClan and SHadowClan

If you feel a cat should be added or taken off of the list please give a reason why. Or if you feel someone should be moved.

ThunderClan
Leader: Bluestar
Deputy: Redtail
Medicine Cat: Spottedleaf
Warriors: Lionheart
Tigerclaw
Whitestorm
Willowpelt
Runningwind
Mousefur
Darkstripe
Longtail
Apprentices: Dustpaw
Ravenpaw
Sandpaw
Graypaw
Firepaw
Queens: Frostfur
Brindleface
Goldenflower
Speckletail
Elders: Halftail
Smallear
Patchpelt
One-eye
Dappletail
Rosetail

ShadowClan:
Leader: Brokenstar
Deputy: Blackfoot
Medicine Cat: Yellowfang (Technically at the very beginning of Into the Wild she is still the medicine cat)
Runningnose
Warriors: Brackenfoot
Toadskip
Nettlespot
Mousewing
Amberleaf
Finchflight
Blizzardwing
Lizardstripe
Wolfstep
Frogtail
Ashheart
Nutwhisker
Rowanberry
Clawface
Flintfang
Deerfoot
Tangleburr
Stumpytail
Boulder
Russetfur
Cinderfur
Tallpoppy (She is a queen in Fire and Ice so I don't think she would be an apprentice at the start of Into the Wild)
Darkflower (Same as Tallpoppy...maybe they are sisters?)
Apprentices:Dawnpaw/cloud(I decided to move her to an apprentice since the newest book involving her YS has her as an apprentice and it was likely her story split between the queens and possibly Featherstorm)
Queens: Fernshade
Newtspeck
Brightflower
Elders: Archeye
Crowtail
Hollyflower
Featherstorm
Poolcloud
Ashfur
Deerleap

WindClan: Okay WindClan is the most complicated because there is so little info for them. So most of this is speculation based on appearances in other books and speculated ages.
Leader: Tallstar
Deputy: Deadfoot
Medicine Cat: Barkface
Warriors: Rushtail
Darkfoot
Oatwhisker
Mudclaw
Tornear
Onewhisker
Wrenflight
Sorrelpaw (Since her death was never mentioned... and since WindClan just doesn't get any love when it comes to information in their Clan at the very beginning it's fair to believe that she and her brother Pigeonpaw made it to warrior status along with their brother Deadfoot)
Pigeonpaw (See Sorrelpaw)
Bristlekit (Similar to Sorrelpaw and Pigeonpaw there is nothing to suggest that he and his other littermates: Rabbitkit and Flykit didn't make it to warrior status.)
Flykit (See Bristlekit)
Rabbitkit (See Bristlekit)
Apprentices: Thrushpaw/wing
Stonepaw/claw
Runningpaw
Queens: Ashfoot
Morningflower
Elders: Crowfur
Stagleap
Doespring
Ryestalk

RiverClan: TBA

Ligerfrost I AM CATBUG! I NEED A BATH...SOME YOGURT...and a place to go DOODIE!	Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 19:57:15 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Ligerfrost on Nov 20, 2018 19:57:15 GMT -5 So far this supports the statement made in Into the Wild that ShadowClan was the largest Clan.

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Post by Hawkflower on Nov 20, 2018 20:39:14 GMT -5

ThunderClan is minuscule compared to what it is today! I never noticed.

I wish they redid the alligences in the reprinted editions.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 20:43:08 GMT -5 kinkajou, Ligerfrost, and 5 more like this

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Post by VIXENCLAW on Nov 20, 2018 20:43:08 GMT -5

I liked ThunderClan way more when they barely had any cats.

That way you actually remember everyone, instead of thinking "who's that cat again?..." whenever they're mentioned once in a book.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 21:38:11 GMT -5 Ligerfrost and chimken nugget like this

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Post by Faith on Nov 20, 2018 21:38:11 GMT -5

I never understood why Rosetail was never in the allegiances. She just randomly shows up near the end of the book only to be killed by Blackfoot. Hopefully they remember her for Redtail's Debt.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 21:44:50 GMT -5 Ligerfrost likes this

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Post by Faith on Nov 20, 2018 21:44:50 GMT -5

I wonder if Lizardstripe was even still alive when Yellowfang was exiled. You would think she'd be all up for turning on the cat she hates and going along with her exile. According to Secret of the Clans she died from Greencough several moons after she adopted Brokenstar. This field guide has a ton of mistakes regarding ShadowClan, though. Last time we see her in Yellowfang's Secret was after she and her patrol got attacked by rats. I'm assuming that was before the attack in which Foxheart died in. Hmm.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 21:49:15 GMT -5

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Post by Faith on Nov 20, 2018 21:49:15 GMT -5

It's also a shame that we never got to meet Tallpoppy and Darkflower in YS. According to TF, Tallpoppy is actually older than Tigerstar (Tigerclaw). She says so herself. Then again... the same book also stated that Dawncloud and Stumpytail were apprentices together when we clearly know they weren't. So... yeah.

There's also the fact that ITW states that Dawncloud lost two of her kits in the battle to drive out WC, while YS has her as an apprentice. Ashfur is also retconned out of existence. I don't know which book to believe...

YS had too many inconsistencies!

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 22:00:00 GMT -5 Ligerfrost likes this

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Post by Faith on Nov 20, 2018 22:00:00 GMT -5

I just realized something... WindClan is gonna be the hardest to do. Tallstar's Revenge starts with Tallstar as kit, then goes all the way up to him receiving Deadfoot as an apprentice. Then it skips right to his nine lives ceremony. The cats we know for a fact died in that timeskip are the ones who gave Tallstar a life. We don't know about everyone else.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 20, 2018 22:08:23 GMT -5 via mobile Ligerfrost likes this

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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 22:08:23 GMT -5

Dang I knew ThunderClan needed more warriors at the time but man compared to ShadowClan they were easy pickings. Not sure how they survived all those ambushes on their camp. Though then again it was mentioned that everyone were fighting- including expecting queens and blind elders. Still, they were lucky to lose no more than Lionheart.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 21, 2018 0:19:49 GMT -5 Redstorm likes this

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Post by Mayflower on Nov 21, 2018 0:19:49 GMT -5

#ReturnThunderClanToSmallerNumbersLikeInTPB2k19-forever ;p

I miss when we knew every cat in ThunderClan and knew their personalities, and the POV character actually had, ya know, friends. Sigh.

If the allegiances had been like this, this goes to show why ShadowClan were so powerful in Into the Wild, and why Crookedstar was so willing to allow Brokenstar's cats to hunt in the river. In Forest of Secrets, Tigerstar recruited Brokenstar's rogues after they were defeated in Fire and Ice, so if the former ShadowClan cats were like this before and several joined Brokenstar in exile like the books said, it makes sense that they almost overpowered ThunderClan not only during the battle in Fire and Ice, but also when everyone was so distracted by desperately fighting the rogues in Forest of Secrets that nobody realized Bluestar wasn't there. They were using all their manpower and really struggling. I can see how it'd be easy to overwhelm ThunderClan's cats compared to how many rogues probably defected to Brokenstar's gang after getting exiled. Adding together those who returned to ShadowClan when Tigerstar became leader would make the numbers swell even more.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 21, 2018 9:16:48 GMT -5 via mobile Pince and mistydreamz like this

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Post by Redstorm on Nov 21, 2018 9:16:48 GMT -5

ShadowClan being so huge back then and then smaller later could be because cats didn't want to have mates and get kits because they didn't want Brokenstar to make them Warriors at such a young age or during the time of Nightstar's reign where there was illness everywhere (along with cats dying). Maybe the psychology was engrained afterwards. Blackstar and quite many of the ShadowClan cats didn't have kits in comparison with ThunderClan which now makes ThunderClan huge.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 21, 2018 12:14:55 GMT -5 Pince likes this

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Post by embertuft on Nov 21, 2018 12:14:55 GMT -5

Wow- that’s a lot of cats for ShadowClan compared to it now. I sort of expected it though, because the bunch of cats that died from Carrionplace disease must’ve meant the Clan was a hefty size, otherwise ShadowClan would’ve have been teeny.
i remember when people were like ThunderClan is massive, why do they need more warriors, when in fact ShadowClan overshadowed *unneccessary pun* them in population.

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Into the Wild: The Real(ish) Allegiances Nov 22, 2018 13:04:54 GMT -5 Pince likes this

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Post by Pince on Nov 22, 2018 13:04:54 GMT -5

I felt bad for Windclan in ITW. Not because shadowclan drove them out, but because there was only a few cats mentioned in allegiances (I don't remember how many). Oh and I guess Riverclan too.

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