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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 11:28:54 GMT -5
When I look back on OOTS, Ivypool was overly rude to Dovewing. She's very spiteful and cold to other cats too. Ivypool was also a very bad spy because she never told Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Dovewing about the Dark Forest which is what spies are supposed to do.
I also don't hate Dovewing anymore. I've become neutral on her character.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 18, 2018 11:36:51 GMT -5
opposite for me. I used to like Dovewing and now looking at OOTS and now, she’s unbearable.
Sorry you don’t like Ivy anymore fam.
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Post by Haze on Nov 18, 2018 12:05:06 GMT -5
I never liked Ivypool, it was just a pair of eyes to show what was happening in the DF.
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Post by scint on Nov 18, 2018 12:30:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I actually used to like Ivypool and dislike Dovewing but then when I reread OotS I came out despising Ivypool and loving Dovewing. And I agree what you said on about Ivypool being a spy, being overly rude and such. I've just never been able to relate to Ivypool, but I can relate to Dovewing. But to be fair, I don't really think either Dovewing or Ivypool are written that well...it's just that for me, Ivypool's unbearable and I lovewing Dovewing.
Personally, I wish that instead of Ivypool's POV we got someone else's in another Clan throughout the arc. If we really needed a DF trainee POV, then why not OotS Tigerheart? He's in ShadowClan, he's a DF trainee, and I'm pretty sure Tigerheart was also spying in the DF, so that's why I think this could've worked better. I honestly just feel like Ivypool's POV wasn't necessary to add into OotS since there were so many other options that we could've gotten that could work better.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 18, 2018 13:05:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I actually used to like Ivypool and dislike Dovewing but then when I reread OotS I came out despising Ivypool and loving Dovewing. And I agree what you said on about Ivypool being a spy, being overly rude and such. I've just never been able to relate to Ivypool, but I can relate to Dovewing. But to be fair, I don't really think either Dovewing or Ivypool are written that well...it's just that for me, Ivypool's unbearable and I lovewing Dovewing. Personally, I wish that instead of Ivypool's POV we got someone else's in another Clan throughout the arc. If we really needed a DF trainee POV, then why not OotS Tigerheart? He's in ShadowClan, he's a DF trainee, and I'm pretty sure Tigerheart was also spying in the DF, so that's why I think this could've worked better. I honestly just feel like Ivypool's POV wasn't necessary to add into OotS since there were so many other options that we could've gotten that could work better. Ugh god. Anyone but Tigerheart
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 13:08:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I actually used to like Ivypool and dislike Dovewing but then when I reread OotS I came out despising Ivypool and loving Dovewing. And I agree what you said on about Ivypool being a spy, being overly rude and such. I've just never been able to relate to Ivypool, but I can relate to Dovewing. But to be fair, I don't really think either Dovewing or Ivypool are written that well...it's just that for me, Ivypool's unbearable and I lovewing Dovewing. Personally, I wish that instead of Ivypool's POV we got someone else's in another Clan throughout the arc. If we really needed a DF trainee POV, then why not OotS Tigerheart? He's in ShadowClan, he's a DF trainee, and I'm pretty sure Tigerheart was also spying in the DF, so that's why I think this could've worked better. I honestly just feel like Ivypool's POV wasn't necessary to add into OotS since there were so many other options that we could've gotten that could work better. I actually relate to both sisters, but I agree that they could have been written better. IMO, Ivypool isn't a good role model for girls. She's basically telling them that it's okay to be an asshole because your sibling gets more attention than you. Squirrelflight, Hollyleaf, and Leafpool were far better female protagonists than her. The Ivypool stans can be really annoying.
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Post by scint on Nov 18, 2018 13:17:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I actually used to like Ivypool and dislike Dovewing but then when I reread OotS I came out despising Ivypool and loving Dovewing. And I agree what you said on about Ivypool being a spy, being overly rude and such. I've just never been able to relate to Ivypool, but I can relate to Dovewing. But to be fair, I don't really think either Dovewing or Ivypool are written that well...it's just that for me, Ivypool's unbearable and I lovewing Dovewing. Personally, I wish that instead of Ivypool's POV we got someone else's in another Clan throughout the arc. If we really needed a DF trainee POV, then why not OotS Tigerheart? He's in ShadowClan, he's a DF trainee, and I'm pretty sure Tigerheart was also spying in the DF, so that's why I think this could've worked better. I honestly just feel like Ivypool's POV wasn't necessary to add into OotS since there were so many other options that we could've gotten that could work better. Ugh god. Anyone but Tigerheart I'd still have him over Ivypool, but that's my opinion.
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Post by halogen on Nov 18, 2018 15:32:16 GMT -5
A RiverClan DF POV would have been cool, maybe Icewing or Hollowflight or Beetlewhisker. Though if it's Hollowflight or Beetlewhisker, they shouldn't still end up dying like they did in canon, since if they killed both them and Flametail it would have seemed like the Erins just wanted to kill all non-ThunderClan POVs while leaving the ThunderClan ones alive. Or al
Now picturing alternate OOTS where it's split between Dovewing, Hollowflight/Beetlwhisker/Icewing and Flametail or Jayfeather (no Lionblaze or Ivypool).
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Post by scint on Nov 18, 2018 15:59:45 GMT -5
A RiverClan DF POV would have been cool, maybe Icewing or Hollowflight or Beetlewhisker. Though if it's Hollowflight or Beetlewhisker, they shouldn't still end up dying like they did in canon, since if they killed both them and Flametail it would have seemed like the Erins just wanted to kill all non-ThunderClan POVs while leaving the ThunderClan ones alive. Or al Now picturing alternate OOTS where it's split between Dovewing, Hollowflight/Beetlwhisker/Icewing and Flametail or Jayfeather (no Lionblaze or Ivypool). Yeah, I could see Hollowflight, Icewing, or Beetlewhisker. I really wish Hollowflight lived in OotS, that would've been nice. He's one of the few DF trainees that I liked. I'd prefer the POVs be Dovewing (ThunderClan), Hollowflight (RiverClan), Sunstrike (WindClan), and Starlingwing/Pinenose (ShadowClan). I've never really liked Flametail that much, if I'm being honest, but I would've preferred it if in OotS we didn't have another Medicine cat POV, since we've had it for TNP and PoT. Although there could be Jayfeather's POV for reuniting StarClan. Now I'm tempted to actually write OotS like this. (I might actually write this, since I have no life.)
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Post by embertuft on Nov 18, 2018 16:01:02 GMT -5
I never liked Ivypool tbh. She seemed too bossy to me. I prefer Dovewing a mile off, but I’m neutral on her. (Mainly only because I love Pouncekit,Shadowkit and Lightkit)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 16:28:04 GMT -5
A RiverClan DF POV would have been cool, maybe Icewing or Hollowflight or Beetlewhisker. Though if it's Hollowflight or Beetlewhisker, they shouldn't still end up dying like they did in canon, since if they killed both them and Flametail it would have seemed like the Erins just wanted to kill all non-ThunderClan POVs while leaving the ThunderClan ones alive. Or al Now picturing alternate OOTS where it's split between Dovewing, Hollowflight/Beetlwhisker/Icewing and Flametail or Jayfeather (no Lionblaze or Ivypool). Yeah, I could see Hollowflight, Icewing, or Beetlewhisker. I really wish Hollowflight lived in OotS, that would've been nice. He's one of the few DF trainees that I liked. I'd prefer the POVs be Dovewing (ThunderClan), Hollowflight (RiverClan), Sunstrike (WindClan), and Starlingwing/Pinenose (ShadowClan). I've never really liked Flametail that much, if I'm being honest, but I would've preferred it if in OotS we didn't have another Medicine cat POV, since we've had it for TNP and PoT. Although there could be Jayfeather's POV for reuniting StarClan. Now I'm tempted to actually write OotS like this. (I might actually write this, since I have no life.) Just imagine the horror if we had Beetlewhisker's PoV. We think he'll be fine because he's the main character and has plot armor but nope- Gets killed by a Dark Forest cat in his dreams and is now trapped there in the afterlife. And from there, he had watch every little move he does so he isn't made to fade away.
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Post by embertuft on Nov 18, 2018 16:30:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I could see Hollowflight, Icewing, or Beetlewhisker. I really wish Hollowflight lived in OotS, that would've been nice. He's one of the few DF trainees that I liked. I'd prefer the POVs be Dovewing (ThunderClan), Hollowflight (RiverClan), Sunstrike (WindClan), and Starlingwing/Pinenose (ShadowClan). I've never really liked Flametail that much, if I'm being honest, but I would've preferred it if in OotS we didn't have another Medicine cat POV, since we've had it for TNP and PoT. Although there could be Jayfeather's POV for reuniting StarClan. Now I'm tempted to actually write OotS like this. (I might actually write this, since I have no life.) Just imagine the horror if we had Beetlewhisker's PoV. We think he'll be fine because he's the main character and has plot armor but nope- Gets killed by a Dark Forest cat in his dreams and is now trapped there in the afterlife. And from there, he had watch every little move he does so he isn't made to fade away. It would be interesting to see how he’s repeatedly reincarnated though.
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Post by scint on Nov 18, 2018 16:42:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I could see Hollowflight, Icewing, or Beetlewhisker. I really wish Hollowflight lived in OotS, that would've been nice. He's one of the few DF trainees that I liked. I'd prefer the POVs be Dovewing (ThunderClan), Hollowflight (RiverClan), Sunstrike (WindClan), and Starlingwing/Pinenose (ShadowClan). I've never really liked Flametail that much, if I'm being honest, but I would've preferred it if in OotS we didn't have another Medicine cat POV, since we've had it for TNP and PoT. Although there could be Jayfeather's POV for reuniting StarClan. Now I'm tempted to actually write OotS like this. (I might actually write this, since I have no life.) Just imagine the horror if we had Beetlewhisker's PoV. We think he'll be fine because he's the main character and has plot armor but nope- Gets killed by a Dark Forest cat in his dreams and is now trapped there in the afterlife. And from there, he had watch every little move he does so he isn't made to fade away. <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="7.639999999999986" style="position: absolute; width: 19.120000000000005px; height: 7.639999999999986px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53122162" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="7.639999999999986" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 7.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_70069568" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="7.639999999999986" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 7.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 318px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56572705" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="7.639999999999986" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 7.64px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 900px; top: 318px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_68104658" scrolling="no"></iframe> That would be horrifying. But OotS could've used some more horror in my opinion, so I'm all for it.
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Post by Viperstrike on Nov 18, 2018 17:06:46 GMT -5
I don't like Ivypool either. When I was younger, I used to like her for some reason but now I look back and I can't stand her. Her entire character revolves around being angry at Dovewing for something. I mean, really think about it. Almost every situation she's in has to do with her being angry at Dovewing. At first, she's jealous of Dovewing because her sister is getting more attention than her. Then she joins the Dark Forest because she's jealous of Dovewing. Then she gets into a fight with Dovewing because she doesn't like that Dovewing likes Tigerheart. Then she gets kidnapped by ShadowClan because she followed Dovewing out of camp. She doesn't want Twigbranch to go find SkyClan because she doesn't want Dovewing and Tigerheart going. The list goes on...
It's very boring and unlikable to me. It makes her come off as a control freak, unable to accept Dovewing unless Dovewing conforms to her standards. I know people are going to say she was mad at Dovewing because she was breaking the code, and blah blah blah but honestly I don't care what her reasons were. She's annoying to me. I don't like characters were the only thing they have going for them is that they're permanently pissed off 24/7 for no good reason. At least Jayfeather is funny. Ivypool is just unbearable.
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Post by scint on Nov 18, 2018 17:10:31 GMT -5
I don't like Ivypool either. When I was younger, I used to like her for some reason but now I look back and I can't stand her. Her entire character revolves around being angry at Dovewing for something. I mean, really think about it. Almost every situation she's in has to do with her being angry at Dovewing. At first, she's jealous of Dovewing because her sister is getting more attention than her. Then she joins the Dark Forest because she's jealous of Dovewing. Then she gets into a fight with Dovewing because she doesn't like that Dovewing likes Tigerheart. Then she gets kidnapped by ShadowClan because she followed Dovewing out of camp. She doesn't want Twigbranch to go find SkyClan because she doesn't want Dovewing and Tigerheart going. The list goes on... It's very boring and unlikable to me. It makes her come off as a control freak, unable to accept Dovewing unless Dovewing conforms to her standards. I know people are going to say she was mad at Dovewing because she was breaking the code, and blah blah blah but honestly I don't care what her reasons were. She's annoying to me. I don't like characters were the only thing they have going for them is that they're permanently pissed off 24/7 for no good reason. At least Jayfeather is funny. Ivypool is just unbearable. Exactly. Agreed completely.
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Post by chimken nugget on Nov 19, 2018 6:54:31 GMT -5
I like Dovewing, and I really hated Ivypool as an apprentice but after that I liked her.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 19, 2018 15:12:12 GMT -5
I like and prefer Ivypool, mostly because her sister is and idiot and does idiotic things. Whereas Ivypool actually developed for the better, her sister didn't. I think what I have for Dovewing now is nothing but disappointment, she had potential but now she's just a trophy wife, sigh. On the other hand, Ivypool is a successful mentor, a good hunter, fierce fighter, well respected, and probably the best candidate for deputy at the moment. She has an understanding mate, that was never once abusive, or pushy to her, and supportive. And she's loyal to her clan, while being an excellent mother. I feel like that's pretty nice, compared to how she first was. I like to see characters as a whole and judge them for how much they've changed for the better, not only on what they did in the past. I also find it pretty crazy Ivypool even tolerated Dovewing and her nonsense this whole time tbh, I would have lost my patience with her ages ago and just ratted her out from the get-go.
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