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Post by kinkajou on Nov 15, 2018 20:30:30 GMT -5
I don't think so but I've seen lots of people say she is
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 15, 2018 20:38:39 GMT -5
I'd say she is. Now, whether she's a well-written morally gray character is a different story.
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Post by Viperstrike on Nov 15, 2018 21:05:17 GMT -5
No.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 21:20:58 GMT -5
Not really in my opinion. For the majority of her life she had no sympathy for anyone except those she felt attached to/felt responsible for and was only morally "good" to them, really. The rest she treated like garbage or at the most unsympathetic or uncaring. Even Tigerstar, who was clearly morally bad, feared for his son and rebuilt ShadowClan but only because he saw them as tools for current or future use. Hawkfrost was clearly morally bad but still felt attached to his mother. Any morally bad character can care about those close to them-doesn't make them gray though.
I considered Breezepelt morally bad for most of his life cause loving his mother doesn't make him even slightly gray if he gave pretty much everyone else in the entire world the middle finger.
Morally gray characters at least in my opinion need to be complicated in nearly all of their actions and decisions.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 15, 2018 23:08:16 GMT -5
Being morally gray means that your actions are both bad and good, making a character hard to read and making their actions hard to determine. So yes, Needletail would be classified as morally gray. Because at the same time she was doing bad things, she was also doing good things. Doesn't matter if it was only for specific characters, a good deed is still a good deed. I also feel like people forget that Needletail went against the kin and gave Alderheart and Mothwing herbs, and was afterward punished by Darktail. Imprisoned and starved for helping other cats, despite being on the side of the Kin initially. And before being murdered by the cats she had aligned with, she sacrificed herself to save Violetshine. She's capable of sympathy, she's capable of loving another cat, she's capable of doing morally good things despite being on the morally wrong side. If anything she was just a radical angsty teen who wanted to change her clan for the better, but she went about it the wrong way.
If Needletail was truly morally bad she'd be no different than Sleekwhisker, the same cat that helped drown her despite them being best friends previously.
If Needletail was truly morally good, she'd be more similar to Alderheart, the same cat that risked a lot to save and help others because of his duty as a medicine cat.
She doesn't truly fall into either territory, making her morally gray, and it's because of that concept one would consider a character "complicated".
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