Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 16:45:05 GMT -5
I was rereading Tallstar's Revenage and surprised to remember just how bad Stonetooth and Cedastar really were to them. Turns out Brokenstar isn't the first Shadowclan leader to have the idea to drive out Windclan from their home for good:
Stonetooth had no proper reasoning for the Attack:
He even orders his warriors to:
This attack even allowed for Brackenwing's death. And if it wasn't for Stonetooth's spefic order, maybe Shadowclan warriors wouldn't of been so rough to cause her death:
In the 2nd attack in Chapter 43, lead by Cedarstar, that uses dirty tactics:
First Blizzardwing:
His first attack is to aim for Talltail's throat, the well-known most vulnerable part of the body in Warriors:
He does what he can to stop Talltail from helping his mentor:
He even taunts him about it:
Raggedpaw and an unknown Shadowclan warrior tag-teamed to drive Plumclaw dangerously close to the Thunderpath:
Then Cedarstar and Newtspeck tagteamed against Dawnstripe, seemingly attacking her more than necessary, as she cries in pain serval times in a row:
Their assault was so bad, Dawnstripe is reduced to writhing around on the floor. Yet they carry on hovering around her, just watching her, not leaving her alone, even though she's defeated. Where it becomes clear they are aiming now to kill her, Newtspeck even enjoying it:
Even after Windclan reinforcements come, instead of helping to defend his clanmates, like Newtspeck right beside him or attack worthy opponents, he coutuins attacking the clearly defeated Dawnstripe.
Windclan starts to become less the victim when Shrewclaw and Talltail trying to kill Cedarstar for Brackenwing's death, even though it's not confirmed which Shadowclan cat killed her. That still doesn't change the fact, Newtspeck killed Shrewclaw:
Since Cedarstar led the patrol and is the Leader, he'd clearly had some fault for why his Warriors to acted so viciously. He's the one who probably came up the battle tactics. So he's the one who ordered his warriors to:
Tag-team against outnumbered opponents. Including personally doing it himself.
Ordered or allowed Raggedpaw and the other warrior to drive Plumclaw dangerously close to the Thunderpath, which could of easily killed him.
Attacked a defeated warrior beyond necessary and was seemly aiming to kill her.
Allowed his warrior to aim for a throat-bite, usually fatal attacks and stopped Dawnstripe's apprentice was trying to prevent her murder attampt, including taunting him about it.
So to put all of Cedarstar's/Stonetooth's crimes together: They lead two unjustified attacks against Windclan for no reason. The first was to forever drive out the whole of Windclan from their camp and take all of the territory, not just a small area. The attack lead to Brackenwing's death.
The 2nd attack was against an outnumbered patrol, and they attempted to murder Dawnstripe. And their dirty methods could of easily killed Plumclaw and arguably Talltail as well. Finally, the attack leads to the death of Shrewclaw.
Attempted exile of a whole Clan and stealing of their entire land, just because they thought they were an easy target. Attacks lead to 2 deaths and almost resulted in serval more.
Even for Cedarstar's own clanmates he's questionable. Such as naming a warrior an insult and this is actually addressed in the Book. So this isn't some mistake on the Erins' part, Cedarstar is canonly aware of this. Then, he makes the inexperienced warrior, Raggedpelt deputy, despite his reckless plan had just got the previous deputy killed, which Cedarstar listened to. Also, even if Cedarstar wasn't aware of Raggedpelt's abuse towards his mate or killing his father, there still should of been outwards signs of the kind of cat he was.
When Cedarstar announces Stonetooth's retirement at the Gathering, even Shadowclan was surprised. Meaning Cedarstar hadn't even told his own Clan yet.
It's no wonder Stonetooth and Cedarstar gave Brokenstar and Tigerstar one of their lives.
“Next time, we’ll drive you from your dens for good.” Hissing at the watching
WindClan warriors, Stonetooth limped out of the camp. - Tallstar's Revenge Chapter 15.
WindClan warriors, Stonetooth limped out of the camp. - Tallstar's Revenge Chapter 15.
“Why did you attack us? Why?” Heatherstar shook the ShadowClan deputy savagely.
“Why shouldn’t we?” Stonetooth hung limp in her claws, his eyes shining with hate. “We could hunt
on these moors just as well as you.”
Heatherstar’s eyes flashed. “The moors are ours and always will be.” She hauled Stonetooth to his
paws and flung him toward the edge of the hollow. “Run after your weasel-hearted Clanmates before I
rip you to shreds.”
Stonetooth climbed out of the dip, leaving blood in his wake. “We’ve seen your weaknesses, you
rabbits!” he snarled.
“Why shouldn’t we?” Stonetooth hung limp in her claws, his eyes shining with hate. “We could hunt
on these moors just as well as you.”
Heatherstar’s eyes flashed. “The moors are ours and always will be.” She hauled Stonetooth to his
paws and flung him toward the edge of the hollow. “Run after your weasel-hearted Clanmates before I
rip you to shreds.”
Stonetooth climbed out of the dip, leaving blood in his wake. “We’ve seen your weaknesses, you
rabbits!” he snarled.
He even orders his warriors to:
At the centre Stonetooth, the ShadowClan deputy, reared up on his hind paws, teeth
bared. “Spare no one!” he snarled. - Tallstar's Revenge Chapter 15.
bared. “Spare no one!” he snarled. - Tallstar's Revenge Chapter 15.
This attack even allowed for Brackenwing's death. And if it wasn't for Stonetooth's spefic order, maybe Shadowclan warriors wouldn't of been so rough to cause her death:
The she-cat’s eyes were closing. Redclaw looked at Hawkheart, his eyes as round as an owl’s. “Can
you save her?” Hawkheart touched the small wad of web with his paw. “It’s too late,” he growled softly. “She’s lost
too much blood.” - Tallstar's revenge, Chapter 15.
you save her?” Hawkheart touched the small wad of web with his paw. “It’s too late,” he growled softly. “She’s lost
too much blood.” - Tallstar's revenge, Chapter 15.
In the 2nd attack in Chapter 43, lead by Cedarstar, that uses dirty tactics:
First Blizzardwing:
His first attack is to aim for Talltail's throat, the well-known most vulnerable part of the body in Warriors:
White fur blinded him as Blizzardwing knocked him off his paws and lunged for his throat.
Dawnstripe! Talltail tried to jump toward her but claws pierced his flanks and Blizzardwing dragged
him back.
him back.
“You can’t save her, rabbit heart!” Blizzardwing snarled
Raggedpaw and an unknown Shadowclan warrior tag-teamed to drive Plumclaw dangerously close to the Thunderpath:
Plumclaw screeched with fury as a ShadowClan apprentice, Raggedpaw, joined the ginger tabby’s
attack. The tunneler was beating them off with a flurry of blows, but they were driving her farther
down the slope, closer to the monsters thundering past.
attack. The tunneler was beating them off with a flurry of blows, but they were driving her farther
down the slope, closer to the monsters thundering past.
Then Cedarstar and Newtspeck tagteamed against Dawnstripe, seemingly attacking her more than necessary, as she cries in pain serval times in a row:
Dawnstripe shrieked with pain. Talltail whipped around. Newtspeck had joined Cedarstar. The black-and-ginger she-cat was battering Dawnstripe’s muzzle while Cedarstar raked her flank with vicious claws. [...] Less than a tail-length from Talltail, Cedarstar wrestled Dawnstripe onto her spine. Newtspeck nipped at her thrashing hind legs. Blood stained her
muzzle. [...] Had Aspenfall persuaded Heatherstar to send warriors? Dawnstripe shrieked. If help didn’t come soon, they’d have to retreat. [...] “Talltail!” Dawnstripe’s panicked screech ripped through the air.
muzzle. [...] Had Aspenfall persuaded Heatherstar to send warriors? Dawnstripe shrieked. If help didn’t come soon, they’d have to retreat. [...] “Talltail!” Dawnstripe’s panicked screech ripped through the air.
Their assault was so bad, Dawnstripe is reduced to writhing around on the floor. Yet they carry on hovering around her, just watching her, not leaving her alone, even though she's defeated. Where it becomes clear they are aiming now to kill her, Newtspeck even enjoying it:
Cedarstar loomed over Dawnstripe as she writhed on the
grass. Newtspeck leaned back, her lip curling in delight. Talltail braced himself to watch the ShadowClan leader deliver the death blow.
grass. Newtspeck leaned back, her lip curling in delight. Talltail braced himself to watch the ShadowClan leader deliver the death blow.
Even after Windclan reinforcements come, instead of helping to defend his clanmates, like Newtspeck right beside him or attack worthy opponents, he coutuins attacking the clearly defeated Dawnstripe.
With a hefty blow, Cloudrunner sent Newtspeck staggering away from Dawnstripe while Reedfeather
and Hareflight raced to help Plumclaw. Shrewclaw glared at Cedarstar as the ShadowClan leader pinned Dawnstripe to the ground.
and Hareflight raced to help Plumclaw. Shrewclaw glared at Cedarstar as the ShadowClan leader pinned Dawnstripe to the ground.
Windclan starts to become less the victim when Shrewclaw and Talltail trying to kill Cedarstar for Brackenwing's death, even though it's not confirmed which Shadowclan cat killed her. That still doesn't change the fact, Newtspeck killed Shrewclaw:
“I’ll help you kill him,” Talltail hissed. Shrewclaw lifted his forepaws and together they swiped at the blood-spattered tom, driving him toward the Thunderpath.
“Cedarstar!” Newtspeck’s yowl split the air as the tabby warrior rushed to help her leader. She dived
for Shrewclaw, ears flat, lips drawn back. She sank her yellow teeth into Shrewclaw’s shoulder,
thrusting her paws around the WindClan warrior and hauling him off Cedarstar. Shrewclaw snarled
and thrashed with his paws as he tried to reach for Cedarstar.
“Cedarstar!” Newtspeck’s yowl split the air as the tabby warrior rushed to help her leader. She dived
for Shrewclaw, ears flat, lips drawn back. She sank her yellow teeth into Shrewclaw’s shoulder,
thrusting her paws around the WindClan warrior and hauling him off Cedarstar. Shrewclaw snarled
and thrashed with his paws as he tried to reach for Cedarstar.
Hareflight crouched stiffly beside him. “He’ll die like his mother.” The warrior’s mew cracked. “Killed defending the moor against ShadowClan.”
Since Cedarstar led the patrol and is the Leader, he'd clearly had some fault for why his Warriors to acted so viciously. He's the one who probably came up the battle tactics. So he's the one who ordered his warriors to:
Tag-team against outnumbered opponents. Including personally doing it himself.
Ordered or allowed Raggedpaw and the other warrior to drive Plumclaw dangerously close to the Thunderpath, which could of easily killed him.
Attacked a defeated warrior beyond necessary and was seemly aiming to kill her.
Allowed his warrior to aim for a throat-bite, usually fatal attacks and stopped Dawnstripe's apprentice was trying to prevent her murder attampt, including taunting him about it.
So to put all of Cedarstar's/Stonetooth's crimes together: They lead two unjustified attacks against Windclan for no reason. The first was to forever drive out the whole of Windclan from their camp and take all of the territory, not just a small area. The attack lead to Brackenwing's death.
The 2nd attack was against an outnumbered patrol, and they attempted to murder Dawnstripe. And their dirty methods could of easily killed Plumclaw and arguably Talltail as well. Finally, the attack leads to the death of Shrewclaw.
Attempted exile of a whole Clan and stealing of their entire land, just because they thought they were an easy target. Attacks lead to 2 deaths and almost resulted in serval more.
Even for Cedarstar's own clanmates he's questionable. Such as naming a warrior an insult and this is actually addressed in the Book. So this isn't some mistake on the Erins' part, Cedarstar is canonly aware of this. Then, he makes the inexperienced warrior, Raggedpelt deputy, despite his reckless plan had just got the previous deputy killed, which Cedarstar listened to. Also, even if Cedarstar wasn't aware of Raggedpelt's abuse towards his mate or killing his father, there still should of been outwards signs of the kind of cat he was.
When Cedarstar announces Stonetooth's retirement at the Gathering, even Shadowclan was surprised. Meaning Cedarstar hadn't even told his own Clan yet.
It's no wonder Stonetooth and Cedarstar gave Brokenstar and Tigerstar one of their lives.