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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 18, 2018 22:47:35 GMT -5
I'm sure we can all agree at this point that Bumblestripe just deserves someone that actually loves him, and he deserves to be happy and have a family of his own. Bumblestripe isn't ready for a mate after the way he acted in SS. Inconsistent writing or not, he still harrassed her for wanting kits. Dovewing told him no in the scene and he told her to just "think about it". Yeah, I agree with Moth, he needs to be on his own for now until he learns how to respect others' feelings. I don't see it as a, he's not ready for a mate because of how he behaved with Dovewing, but more as, he's not ready for a mate because he needs time to move on from Dovewing. The fact that he's still hung up on someone like her is beyond me, maybe it's just bad taste, then again love can be blinding. But I think that he needs time to mend his feelings, especially after having his hopes crushed by seeing Dovewing again with kits from another tom in another clan. As stated above, he was one of the first cats to speak with her and even happy she was safe/congratulate her, but it's obvious he was dealing with rejection. I don't think Bumblestripe is incapable of having a perfectly normal and healthy relationship just because he wants kits, it's normal when two characters are mates. And even debatable when they've broken up; Nightcloud and Crowfeather, Squirrelflight and Bramblestar, heck even Dovewing and Tigerstar can count because they were constantly on and off and not long after getting back together they shacked up. I think Bumblestripe deserves better. If having his own family makes him happy, then so be it, but its obvious Dovewing can't put 100% in a relationship with him, like he tried. So I'm glad they ended things.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 18, 2018 22:49:09 GMT -5
I'm sure we can all agree at this point that Bumblestripe just deserves someone that actually loves him, and he deserves to be happy and have a family of his own. Bumblestripe isn't ready for a mate after the way he acted in SS. Inconsistent writing or not, he still harrassed her for wanting kits. Dovewing told him no in the scene and he told her to just "think about it". Yeah, I agree with Moth, he needs to be on his own for now until he learns how to respect others' feelings. He did respect her feelings in the end. Not only that, but he even supported her choice in literally bringing kits from another tom into Thunderclan and stated that he was glad she was happy. How is that clingy or showing he’s underserving of a mate? Because he asked Dovewing to think about it? That’s not disgusting, that’s him asking her to at least think about it. He’s not hauling off insulting her for saying no or rejecting him. He’s not angry. He simply has hope they could be together with a family and needed that last assurance that she was not interested. At the end of the day, he clearly accepted her rejection of him and hasn’t been immature about it after that crap scene in SS. I think he has every right and deserves to have a mate who actually cares about him for him and not to serve as a rebound.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 18, 2018 22:54:57 GMT -5
Bumblestripe isn't ready for a mate after the way he acted in SS. Inconsistent writing or not, he still harrassed her for wanting kits. Dovewing told him no in the scene and he told her to just "think about it". Yeah, I agree with Moth, he needs to be on his own for now until he learns how to respect others' feelings. He did respect her feelings in the end. Not only that, but he even supported her choice in literally bringing kits from another tom into Thunderclan and stated that he was glad she was happy. How is that clingy or showing he’s underserving of a mate? Because he asked Dovewing to think about it? That’s not disgusting, that’s him asking her to at least think about it. He’s not hauling off insulting her for saying no or rejecting him. He’s not angry. He simply has hope they could be together with a family and needed that last assurance that she was not interested. At the end of the day, he clearly accepted her rejection of him and hasn’t been immature about it after that crap scene in SS. I think he has every right and deserves to have a mate who actually cares about him for him and not to serve as a rebound. Especially not a rebound out of convenience, which still rubs me the wrong way. It would have been nice if he had a mate that actually liked him for who he was, a pretty genuine and okay cat, and not because of his status.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 22:56:09 GMT -5
I'm just going to speak from personal experience. I'll be as unbiased as possible.
After getting hurt by someone you loved, you have to give yourself time to heal. Bumblestripe is still clinging onto Dovewing. I'm not speaking for her sake, but his, too. He was still begging to get back together with her, and to have his kits. His behavior is not healthy. Do I agree that Dovewing treated him right? No. Do I think Dovewing should have handled this better? Absolutely. She isn't innocent, but Bumblestripe isn't, either. Face it, both cats handled this poorly. After a break up, you need to give yourself time to heal before dashing onto another relationship. It isn't fair to lead someone else on just because you're hurt and don't want to be alone. I just had a break up a few months ago and I'm still hurt from what my ex as done to me. I'm giving myself time to heal. I'm trying not to think about this person anymore. Am I still hurt? Yes. I don't feel ready to be in a relationship, because I need to learn to be independent on my own. Bumblestripe needs to do this also, because at this point he's harrassing her. Bombarding someone about getting back together isn't right. He was nosy, and clingy. Bumblestripe never dealt with this in a healthy way. He isn't ready, and needs to learn to love himself. Everyone needs to love themselves.
I respect everyone's opinions, but at this point I'll just agree to disagree. Not going farther than this.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 18, 2018 22:56:21 GMT -5
He did respect her feelings in the end. Not only that, but he even supported her choice in literally bringing kits from another tom into Thunderclan and stated that he was glad she was happy. How is that clingy or showing he’s underserving of a mate? Because he asked Dovewing to think about it? That’s not disgusting, that’s him asking her to at least think about it. He’s not hauling off insulting her for saying no or rejecting him. He’s not angry. He simply has hope they could be together with a family and needed that last assurance that she was not interested. At the end of the day, he clearly accepted her rejection of him and hasn’t been immature about it after that crap scene in SS. I think he has every right and deserves to have a mate who actually cares about him for him and not to serve as a rebound. Especially not a rebound out of convenience, which still rubs me the wrong way. It would have been nice if he had a mate that actually liked him for who he was, a pretty genuine and okay cat, and not because of his status. I completely agree. If Dovewing gets to find happiness with Tigerstar after all of her actions, than Bumblestripe absolutely gets to have a chance at his own happiness.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 18, 2018 23:05:14 GMT -5
I'm just going to speak from personal experience. I'll be as unbiased as possible. After getting hurt by someone you loved, you have to give yourself time to heal. Bumblestripe is still clinging onto Dovewing. I'm not speaking for her sake, but his, too. He was still begging to get back together with her, and to have his kits. His behavior is not healthy. Do I agree that Dovewing treated him right? No. Do I think Dovewing should have handled this better? Absolutely. She isn't innocent, but Bumblestripe isn't, either. Face it, both cats handled this poorly. After a break up, you need to give yourself time to heal before dashing onto another relationship. It isn't fair to lead someone else on just because you're hurt and don't want to be alone. I just had a break up a few months ago and I'm still hurt from what my ex as done to me. I'm giving myself time to heal. I'm trying not to think about this person anymore. Am I still hurt? Yes. I don't feel ready to be in a relationship, because I need to learn to be independent on my own. Bumblestripe needs to do this also, because at this point he's harrassing her. Bombarding someone about getting back together isn't right. He was nosy, and clingy. Bumblestripe never dealt with this in a healthy way. He isn't ready, and needs to learn to love himself. Everyone needs to love themselves. I respect everyone's opinions, but at this point I'll just agree to disagree. Not going farther than this. Ah, I'm not sure if you missed my reply or not? But I did say that I do think Bumblestripe needs time to heal over his rejection. I'm not saying he should immediately jump into another relationship because then he'd be using his new mate as a rebound as Dovewing did him to get over Tigerheart at one point. Some of us want him to be happy, and if he wants to have his own family because that would make him happy, then we don't see a problem with that. However, if he wants to stay single, that's fine too. But I personally don't think he's incapable of being in a perfectly normal relationship. And considering how strained his relationship was with Dovewing, and lack of communication from her side, yeah, his actions can come off as "Creepy" narrative-wise, but that's opinionated. And if you think that, then I respect your opinion even if I disagree. I'm a firm believer, that your first love isn't your last love, and you're capable of finding happiness, whether it's in a relationship with another person, platonically or romantically, or discovering your own self-love. There's all types of love, not just limited to those few, etc. People that want Bumblestripe to have a new mate, usually just mean that in a way, that hopefully eventually, he'll find someone that makes him happy, if that's what he wants in life. Not he should immediately jump into another relationship to get over Dovewing, if that makes sense? And most likely, we won't get to see him much, because he's a side character, so there's a good chance there will be a time skip, and then he'll just show up with another mate and eventually kits. Meaning any time he spends "healing" over his rejection with Dovewing will be, and understandably, off-screen.
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Post by Mayflower on Oct 18, 2018 23:05:15 GMT -5
I'm sure we can all agree at this point that Bumblestripe just deserves someone that actually loves him, and he deserves to be happy and have a family of his own. Or maybe he could just stay single and learn to be happy on his own for awhile. I'm sorry, but I'm just really tired of everyone getting paired up. This doesn't even just go for this series, but in general. Besides, after the bonus scene in SS, I'm actually afraid for whoever becomes his mate, if he ever even gets one. Yeah, but that same argument could be said for Dovewing, too, which is what I had hoped she would do. I would have liked her single and determined to be a loyal ThunderClan cat. She needed to learn to be happy on her own for a while as well, but instead she went back to Tigerheart as soon as she had a chance -- and even before that, they blatantly showed affection for one another and practically shouted to everyone that they were mates when Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, and Tigerheart were in the hollow. Everyone already knew, which was why they weren't surprised when she came back with Tigerheart's kits. It was like an open secret. Edit: Actually, even worse is I just remembered the scene where the ShadowClan cats went to WindClan about the ragwort. Dovewing called Tigerheart's name eagerly at the boundary and I think it was said that she paced around excitedly when she saw him. Funny enough, Tigerheart was the one who was cool and collected, and not interested in talking to her. So even before he was in the hollow, she was still hung up on him, so the argument about Bumblestripe moving on from her equals that of her moving on from Tigerheart, yet she didn't. The difference is that Tigerheart returned her affections.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 23:07:20 GMT -5
I'm just going to speak from personal experience. I'll be as unbiased as possible. After getting hurt by someone you loved, you have to give yourself time to heal. Bumblestripe is still clinging onto Dovewing. I'm not speaking for her sake, but his, too. He was still begging to get back together with her, and to have his kits. His behavior is not healthy. Do I agree that Dovewing treated him right? No. Do I think Dovewing should have handled this better? Absolutely. She isn't innocent, but Bumblestripe isn't, either. Face it, both cats handled this poorly. After a break up, you need to give yourself time to heal before dashing onto another relationship. It isn't fair to lead someone else on just because you're hurt and don't want to be alone. I just had a break up a few months ago and I'm still hurt from what my ex as done to me. I'm giving myself time to heal. I'm trying not to think about this person anymore. Am I still hurt? Yes. I don't feel ready to be in a relationship, because I need to learn to be independent on my own. Bumblestripe needs to do this also, because at this point he's harrassing her. Bombarding someone about getting back together isn't right. He was nosy, and clingy. Bumblestripe never dealt with this in a healthy way. He isn't ready, and needs to learn to love himself. Everyone needs to love themselves. I respect everyone's opinions, but at this point I'll just agree to disagree. Not going farther than this. Ah, I'm not sure if you missed my reply or not? But I did say that I do think Bumblestripe needs time to heal over his rejection. I'm not saying he should immediately jump into another relationship because then he'd be using his new mate as a rebound as Dovewing did him to get over Tigerheart at one point. Some of us want him to be happy, and if he wants to have his own family because that would make him happy, then we don't see a problem with that. However, if he wants to stay single, that's fine too. But I personally don't think he's incapable of being in a perfectly normal relationship. And considering how strained his relationship was with Dovewing, and lack of communication from her side, yeah, his actions can come off as "Creepy" narrative-wise, but that's opinionated. And if you think that, then I respect your opinion even if I disagree. I'm a firm believer, that your first love isn't your last love, and you're capable of finding happiness, whether it's in a relationship with another person, platonically or romantically, or discovering your own self-love. There's all types of love, not just limited to those few, etc. People that want Bumblestripe to have a new mate, usually just mean that in a way, that hopefully eventually, he'll find someone that makes him happy, if that's what he wants in life. Not he should immediately jump into another relationship to get over Dovewing, if that makes sense? And most likely, we won't get to see him much, because he's a background character, so there's a good chance there will be a time skip, and then he'll just show up with another mate and eventualy kits. Meaning any time he spends "healing" over his rejection with Dovewing will be, and understandably, off screen. I most likely didn't get it, I'm on the phone and it's hard to read, aha.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 18, 2018 23:12:04 GMT -5
Ah, I'm not sure if you missed my reply or not? But I did say that I do think Bumblestripe needs time to heal over his rejection. I'm not saying he should immediately jump into another relationship because then he'd be using his new mate as a rebound as Dovewing did him to get over Tigerheart at one point. Some of us want him to be happy, and if he wants to have his own family because that would make him happy, then we don't see a problem with that. However, if he wants to stay single, that's fine too. But I personally don't think he's incapable of being in a perfectly normal relationship. And considering how strained his relationship was with Dovewing, and lack of communication from her side, yeah, his actions can come off as "Creepy" narrative-wise, but that's opinionated. And if you think that, then I respect your opinion even if I disagree. I'm a firm believer, that your first love isn't your last love, and you're capable of finding happiness, whether it's in a relationship with another person, platonically or romantically, or discovering your own self-love. There's all types of love, not just limited to those few, etc. People that want Bumblestripe to have a new mate, usually just mean that in a way, that hopefully eventually, he'll find someone that makes him happy, if that's what he wants in life. Not he should immediately jump into another relationship to get over Dovewing, if that makes sense? And most likely, we won't get to see him much, because he's a background character, so there's a good chance there will be a time skip, and then he'll just show up with another mate and eventualy kits. Meaning any time he spends "healing" over his rejection with Dovewing will be, and understandably, off screen. I most likely didn't get it, I'm on the phone and it's hard to read, aha. That's okay, lol. Basically, when we say that we want Bumblestripe to be happy, we mean it in a way that he should do what makes him happy. If he wants to have his own family, with a new love interest and kits, then that's fine with us, but if he wants to stay single and is perfectly content with that as well, also cool with us. But we also don't mean that we want him to immediately jump into another relationship. When we hope that he'll find someone that loves him as much as he can love them, if he's still interested, we mean this in an "eventual" sense. Like "maybe one day" and "hopefully", because I believe Bumblestripe would be a good mate. Even when things weren't working out with Dovewing, he was still caring towards her, concerned about her, and trying to cheer her up, he's a genuinely good cat with a good heart. But again, love can blind you, and a broken heart can crush you. I would love to see Bumblestripe heal from his rejection and eventually hit it off with another cat, but because he's a side character, we'll most likely get a time skip instead. Not to mention, this is the last book for this series after all, who knows how much will change by the next one.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 18, 2018 23:12:51 GMT -5
Or maybe he could just stay single and learn to be happy on his own for awhile. I'm sorry, but I'm just really tired of everyone getting paired up. This doesn't even just go for this series, but in general. Besides, after the bonus scene in SS, I'm actually afraid for whoever becomes his mate, if he ever even gets one. Yeah, but that same argument could be said for Dovewing, too, which is what I had hoped she would do. I would have liked her single and determined to be a loyal ThunderClan cat. She needed to learn to be happy on her own for a while as well, but instead she went back to Tigerheart as soon as she had a chance -- and even before that, they blatantly showed affection for one another and practically shouted to everyone that they were mates when Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, and Tigerheart were in the hollow. Everyone already knew, which was why they weren't surprised when she came back with Tigerheart's kits. It was like an open secret. Yes, I'm well aware of that. Honestly, I really couldn't care less for Dovewing at this point. Besides, it was obvious to me that she was going to get back together with Tigerheart anyway even long before she broke up with Bumblestripe and I've always been pretty indifferent towards the relationship, so it doesn't really bother me that she's not single. I didn't even care for Bumblestripe until the bonus scene, which made me really uncomfortable in how he was acting. There's a reason why I'm harder on him than on Dovewing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 23:17:08 GMT -5
Finleap and Bumblestripe are both horrible and need to not harrass those they "love". It's gross, it's not cute, and downright disrespectful. I'm tired, so I'm not going to post anymore. Everyone can think what they want, it's your opinion, but I stand by mine.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 18, 2018 23:22:23 GMT -5
Finleap and Bumblestripe are both horrible and need to not harrass those they "love". It's gross, it's not cute, and downright disrespectful. I'm tired, so I'm not going to post anymore. Everyone can think what they want, it's your opinion, but I stand by mine. No one is trying to change your opinion, we're just trying to clear a misconception. I'm sure we all can agree that some of the scenes involving those two can come off as uncomfortable, but we just have different outlooks on both, and neither situations are the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 23:25:47 GMT -5
Finleap and Bumblestripe are both horrible and need to not harrass those they "love". It's gross, it's not cute, and downright disrespectful. I'm tired, so I'm not going to post anymore. Everyone can think what they want, it's your opinion, but I stand by mine. No one is trying to change your opinion, we're just trying to clear a misconception. I'm sure we all can agree that some of the scenes involving those two can come off as uncomfortable, but we just have different outlooks on both, and neither situations are the same. I understand that, I'm just saying I'm too tired to post, lol. I really do not care if people hate Dovewing or not, it's not going to affect my life p: I won't act like those horrible people on Tumblr aha
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Post by WhisperPool on Nov 30, 2022 19:44:53 GMT -5
The amount of sexism in this thread bugs me. He's creep, he latched on to her and kept pressuring her to have his kits. That's gross and weird.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 30, 2022 19:47:04 GMT -5
The amount of sexism in this thread bugs me. He's creep, he latched on to her and kept pressuring her to have his kits. That's gross and weird. Hey, please don’t post on threads that are over a month old! Sand 🎃
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