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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 17, 2016 17:42:56 GMT -5
I remember hearing this a few times in the past, and I still don't get it. How was Firestar and Sandstorm's relationship rushed? If anything, it's probably one of the most developed relationships in the series.
They developed a friendship after Sandstorm stopped bullying him in Fire and Ice, fell for each other by the time of Rising Storm, confessed their feelings for each other towards the end of A Dangerous Path, became mates in The Darkest Hour, and didn't even have kits together until after they rebuilt SkyClan in Firestar's Quest. That's three years in total. And even then, they had their arguments.
What pairings have you heard others say were rushed, but actually had decent development, if any?
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 17, 2016 17:46:32 GMT -5
I just don't like the reason Sandstorm started to like him
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 17, 2016 18:22:58 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Aug 17, 2016 18:29:39 GMT -5
Sandstorm didn't like Fireheart because she thought he wasn't really serious about being a warrior and thought he was getting special treatment he didn't deserve. When he saved her life she realized he was serious about being a warrior. A true warrior looks out for their Clanmates even the ones they don't like. Fireheart had every reason to let her fall and she was even ungrateful about him saving her (before she realized that he wasn't trying to fight her battles for her or act like she wasn't as good a fighter as him because he was made a warrior before her.)
After he saved her, she did what she should have done when he first arrived and that was get to know him. She became his friend and doesn't really show signs of wanting to be more than friends until Forest of Secrets. After she spent time getting to know him. She didn't instantlty fall in love with him after he saved her. She changed her opinion of him and became his friend, feels for him came later.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 19:44:53 GMT -5
I personally see why Sandstorm changed her mind when Firestar saved her.
Sandstorm never really saw Firestar's "heroics", or reasons the clan actually admired him until then. She didn't see him take down Yellowfang, she was probably too busy saving her own skin to watch him defend his clan well during the ShadowClan raids, she had no idea Firestar would even be on the secret mission to save the kits- he just appeared at the end of the day and all of a sudden Bluestar makes him a warrior. So as far as Sandstorm knew, he was just a random kittypet who Bluestar gave special treatment to.
So really, people are right when they say, "what did Sandstorm see in him?" the answer is, nothing, really, until he saved her. And it wasn't love at first sight either- him saving her changed her view of him from negative to neutral. From "ugh this is just a lucky kittypet" to "oh this is a warrior who's just as good or even better than I am".
I don't think Firestar became "the one and only" when he saved Sandstorm. But he definitely became a candidate- and when the only other candidates at the time were Dustpelt (who was more of a friend), Ravenpaw (too skittish), Graystripe (probably not serious enough for her) and maybe Longtail or Darkstripe... it becomes kinda obvious that Firestar kinda stands out from among them. Mostly because she lost her prejudice against him fairly quickly, while Longtail, Darkstripe, and Dustpelt still had fairly strong grudges.
It was that lack of prejudice she had early on that was what distanced her from the other toms and eventually drew her closer to Firestar.
So to me, I don't think it was as much of a change in Sandstorm as much as it was a lack of change in the other toms. Sandstorm changed her view on kittypets- the other toms she could possibly be mates with didn't. And that's what set them up in the first place- not a "love at first sight" thing.
Combine that with the fact that Firestar was mentioned to be handsome several times and soon enough, Sandstorm found no problem dating him.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 17, 2016 21:27:27 GMT -5
liger and galantis explained it beautifully and i have nothing to add but I think I know why people think otherwise...
sandstorm is a very fast cat.so the relationship inevitably became rushed.
plus firestar is a very hot cat with a temp. of 1000C...that's not enough heat to make sandstorm a glass(trophy wife) unless he was salty he would be fine at 1000C and he could do it. but even though he's not 2000C he tries to rush, rush, rush and make her into glass trophy wife anyways and failed. firestar is not hot enough to be the right mate for sandstorm............ |
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Post by DekuKitty on Aug 18, 2016 8:48:14 GMT -5
I don't really have an opinion on their relationship early on, but I do like it after they became mates. Sandstorm is that rock, that tie to the earth that Firestar has to remind him that there's more to life than just being a leader.
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Post by ❄️Raccoonstep❄️ on Aug 18, 2016 16:48:59 GMT -5
I'd have to agree.
I see many people saying that Millie and Graystripe were rushed but I don't see it.
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Post by redfeather1 on Aug 18, 2016 19:56:33 GMT -5
I also don't understand why people think that Sandstorm "Stole" Fireheart's "Relationship" with Spottedleaf. Spottedleaf didn't start liking fireheart until he met Yellowfang. She started coming in his dreams more and more. Sandstorm and Firestar are a relationship because it was developed and supported for about four books in the first series (Which sadly im on still on the fifth book XD) I dont think fire and sand is rushed. ![]() ![]() |
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 19, 2016 11:53:08 GMT -5
i believe their relationship was a tiny bit rushed in the books - but maybe that's only because the Warriors books give us a glance into Clan life, and don't necessarily show us every day of them being together? so it might seem to the reader that the relationship is in a hurry, but in reality, they spend more time together, hunt together, flirt, etc, and the readers don't see it because it's not a part of the main plot. i also love Fire x Sand and can't stand Fire x Spotted so maybe i'm biased.
Firestar and Sandstorm have a very healthy relationship. even when they're just friends, their relationship is good. they argue, and Sandstorm stands up for herself when she needs to, and forgives him for his mistakes. she grounds him, reminds him that there's a whole world going on outside his prophecy, and gives him comfort when he needs it. she's loyal to him in every way, and he returns the favor by being a good mate and father. their arguments only indicate that they can work out disagreements, like a healthy couple, and they parent their kits well. i don't see any problem with them being mates, even if it seems a little sudden to some people. so even if Sandstorm had a "sudden change of heart" (which i believe was a long time coming, not sudden at all, but let's roll with it), they form a perfectly wonderful relationship, so i don't see how anyone can complain.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 19, 2016 13:24:16 GMT -5
I agree with Raccoonstep on Graystripe and Millie. Whether you like the couple or not, they certainly had development.
FirexSand is actually one of the best pairings in Warriors in terms of development; the pace of the books doesn't allow for a whole lot of slow, great development, you know?
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Aug 19, 2016 13:25:52 GMT -5
I also don't understand why people think that Sandstorm "Stole" Fireheart's "Relationship" with Spottedleaf. Spottedleaf didn't start liking fireheart until he met Yellowfang. She started coming in his dreams more and more. Sandstorm and Firestar are a relationship because it was developed and supported for about four books in the first series (Which sadly im on still on the fifth book XD) I dont think fire and sand is rushed. ![]() ![]() Agreed; FirexSpotted actually kind of creeps me out, since Spottedleaf is way older than Firepaw was. So. |
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 19, 2016 23:24:32 GMT -5
liger and galantis explained it beautifully and i have nothing to add but I think I know why people think otherwise...
sandstorm is a very fast cat.so the relationship inevitably became rushed.
plus firestar is a very hot cat with a temp. of 1000C...that's not enough heat to make sandstorm a glass(trophy wife) unless he was salty he would be fine at 1000C and he could do it. but even though he's not 2000C he tries to rush, rush, rush and make her into glass trophy wife anyways and failed. firestar is not hot enough to be the right mate for sandstorm............ When does he rush her? Or treat her as a trophy wife? |
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Post by mEmE on Aug 20, 2016 0:38:04 GMT -5
FirexSpotted is absolutely stupid, I've decided to reread the series, and at the very start it seemed more like Graypaw and Firepaw both having a slight infatuation for SpottedLeaf, nothing else. From the first books viewpoint, it was never love. Firepaw had a teenage boner for her, that's it, no indication of a serious relationship developing at all.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 20, 2016 8:47:13 GMT -5
liger and galantis explained it beautifully and i have nothing to add but I think I know why people think otherwise...
sandstorm is a very fast cat.so the relationship inevitably became rushed.
plus firestar is a very hot cat with a temp. of 1000C...that's not enough heat to make sandstorm a glass(trophy wife) unless he was salty he would be fine at 1000C and he could do it. but even though he's not 2000C he tries to rush, rush, rush and make her into glass trophy wife anyways and failed. firestar is not hot enough to be the right mate for sandstorm............ When does he rush her? Or treat her as a trophy wife? he rushes the process of turning her into a glass trophy wife when he's only 1000C. he did this in... fire and ice, when he learned he could heat up ice and then tried to do the same to sand(storm.) he doesn't treat her into a trophy wife because she hasn't been turned into glass yet and can't be a trophy. |
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Post by ʀʜʏᴇʟʟᴀ on Aug 20, 2016 11:39:12 GMT -5
When does he rush her? Or treat her as a trophy wife? he rushes the process of turning her into a glass trophy wife when he's only 1000C. he did this in... fire and ice, when he learned he could heat up ice and then tried to do the same to sand(storm.) he doesn't treat her into a trophy wife because she hasn't been turned into glass yet and can't be a trophy. Oh, I see now  I thought it was a joke because of the extremely weird metaphor, but decided to reply seriously. |
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I thought it was a joke because of the extremely weird metaphor, but decided to reply seriously. 