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Post by *Faith* on Oct 5, 2018 20:23:52 GMT -5
Do you guys think that Heathertail lied to Lionblaze about it being Sedgekit who told the Clan about the tunnels or told the truth? Both Vicky and Kate have different answers. Vicky believes she told the truth and Kate believes she lied. No clue what Cherith's opinion is.
In Crowfeather's Trial it stated that Breezepelt was afraid of the tunnels because he nearly drowned there as an apprentice. This happened when Sedgekit, Swallowkit and Thistlekit were rescued. But it was also revealed that Crowfeather never knew that Heathertail had explored those tunnels as an apprentice herself, later wondering if she explored them with anyone else (Lionblaze). It's mentioned that Onestar never knew as well.
I can't type Crowfeather's Trial up there. The full thing doesn't fit.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 5, 2018 20:28:12 GMT -5
I wish Cherith spoke up more.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 5, 2018 20:29:52 GMT -5
I wish Cherith spoke up more. Same.
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Post by kinkajou on Oct 5, 2018 21:07:24 GMT -5
I think she told the truth
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 5, 2018 21:33:28 GMT -5
I was actually going to make a post just like this. And honestly, I'm still not sure what to think myself. It's understandable why Lionpaw didn't believe her, but she'd really have no reason to lie. That said, it still confuses me why WindClan would even believe a kit of all things, unless they didn't believe Sedgekit at first and they realized she was telling the truth later. Maybe the Clan just knew about Breezepelt's side for whatever reason, but they never knew the complete truth about Heathertail.
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Post by wildspirit on Oct 5, 2018 22:28:33 GMT -5
I believe Heathertail told the truth, and what she told to Lionblaze is completely plausible. Kits really can't keep their mouth shut. It seems like Lionblaze was just too blinded by his rage to listen to her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 3:36:25 GMT -5
It's also completely contradicting of her character if she lied.
Heathertail is a bigger person, then to purposefully set up a battle on a whole Clan, just to get to one cat. If this were true, some fans would consider that Dark Forest worthy like Willow Tail.
Yet here she is, letting Lionblaze, who by that point, had already tried to kill her and her mentor, to take Catmint that was rightfully Windclan's, to save the lives in an enemy Clan.
If Heatherpaw had set this all up just for Lionpaw, you would think she'd actively seek him out herself. She had plenty of time to do it. By the time, they had their encounter, it was already far into the battle. Yet it's Lionpaw who does that, shoving others aside to specifically get to her. And when he finds her, Heatherpaw isn't pleased/angry to see her 'traget', she's shocked and panicked. Not the kind of reaction you'd expect of someone "seeking revenge".
Literally a second later. How would Heatherpaw, an apprentice, come up with such a convincing and specific "lie" in that amount of time? She even names drops certain Clanmates as well. Like displayed earlier, Heatherpaw isn't willing to drag Thunderclan cats into her personal quarrel with Lionpaw. So she definitely wouldn't scapegoat her own Clanmates, especially a kit. Considering the violent brute Lionpaw is and it's a battle, if Heatherpaw framed them, she'd endanger them from Lionpaw. He almost killed Mosspelt during that same fight, to I wouldn't put it past him to go after Weaslefur.
And if Lionpaw could manipulate/threaten Weaslefur and Sedgekit, later as a young apprentice, in order to confirm Heatherpaw was telling the truth or not. If Heatherpaw was lying, by name dropping, she was leaving massive loose threads, who don't know they've been used. So it would be quite easy for them, mostly Sedgekit/paw, to expose her without even knowing it.
Also, Lionpaw's arguments about it not being Sedgekit, because he should be grateful for saving his life, can also be used for Heatherpaw. They were both close friends who went against their Clans just to play together and had growing romantic feelings. Heatherpaw would also be grateful to for the happy memories. She's far more likely to simply cherish them, instead of ruining everything just becuase he didn't want to see her anymore. Lionpaw had to think very lowly of his old friend, to atomically assume she'd go for the most extreme reaction, just for the extremely pretty reason of stopping the meetings. To the point, he fantasises about killing her and going out his way to be aggressive towards her, even for years afterwards. Despite Heatherpaw giving a believable alternative explanation.
Finally, there's constant references to how angry Lionpaw is in this scene, of course, he wouldn't believe her. It probably doesn't matter what Heatherpaw said to him, it wouldn't be believed.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 7, 2018 1:53:54 GMT -5
Imo, she told the truth, she's gain nothing from telling, and it would contradict her character.
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Post by nova on Oct 13, 2018 9:55:39 GMT -5
She told the truth
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 11:58:13 GMT -5
Considering Vicky (a part of the editorial team at the time) says she told the truth, while Kate- who was more likely to simply be given that scene in book to write about and could only come to her own conclusions- I'm more likely to take Vicky's word.
Of course we don't know for sure- we don't know the extent that the editors plan out the story for the authors and the length of detail. For example they might have just told Kate that Lionblaze was going to encounter, attack, and interrogate Heathertail during Eclipse, but Kate ended up adding the actual claims of who did what- and in that sense Kate would actually know best.
But considering Cherith seems to back up Vicky's statement in a way and I tend to be more willing to accept Vicky's word over the others (at least as long as she was an active editor at the time), I'm sticking with that she was telling the truth.
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