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Post by Redstorm on Sept 23, 2018 12:04:14 GMT -5
I would say Brokenstar and Tigerstar are by far the two most evil cats. Brokenstar only by a bit because he literally planned the killing kits to achieve his own ambitions while also trying to drive clans out of the forest.
Tigerstar also was willing to kill kits seen by him leading dogs to ThunderClan and he unleashed a tirade of evil against Half Clan cats while trying to rule the forest for himself.
I believe Tigerstar's evil is underrated because he's such a popular character but he's committed acts such as Gorsepaw to prove a point to WindClan while even murdering Queens. I think even him though would question singling out the killing of kits to make a point.
I believe Scourge is a rather distant 3rd in comparison to these two.
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Post by gonxkillua on Sept 23, 2018 12:06:34 GMT -5
Brokenstar he employed child solders and dint care when they died. He also never showed even an inch of compassion as an an adult. Even Tigerstar had a few moments were he showed some.
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Post by Moonstep on Sept 23, 2018 12:34:52 GMT -5
TPB villains such as Brokenstar, Clawface and Darkstripe imo.
I feel like the later villains tend to have more depth personality-wise and their behaviour is often linked to a tragic past and bad calls for judgement. They're not evil for the sake of being evil or because of some prophecy. s:
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 23, 2018 12:38:10 GMT -5
All the other villians seemed to have reasoning they believed in behind their actions. 90 percent of them had moments of mercy and morals. Heck, some were laughable and their actions were easily stopped. They did not envoke as much disturbing and evil feelings.
But Brokenstar. The minute you manipulate, force into fighting, and murder children? That’s disgustingly twisted and evil.
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Post by wildspirit on Sept 23, 2018 13:33:26 GMT -5
Brokenstar and Tigerstar are literally born evil. Brokenstar more so. He was born screaming. Tigerstar has a few compassionate moments, unlike Brokenstar.
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 23, 2018 13:34:43 GMT -5
brokenstar and darktail
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 23, 2018 13:45:03 GMT -5
I mean, Brokenstar murdered kits That's pretty hard to beat Mapleshade went crazy, Thistleclaw had moments of compassion (His love for Snowfur), Tigerstar seemed to care about Goldenflower and her kits to some extent, Clawface was loving towards Nightstar (And his mate. And, other than killing Spottedleaf, didn't seem THAT bad).... I mean, most have redeeming characteristics or a backstory to at least explain their reasoning.
Darkstripe tried to murder his half-sister, but...I mean. He's just SO pathetic, it's hard to consider him super evil and he somehow thought he wasn't bad?
I will say that Sleekwhisker is pretty close behind in just being evil. Her life was pretty good before The Kin, considering she had a loving mom, dad, grandparents, etc. But she murders in cold blood and is willing to use kits as bait. Darktail is also pretty bad
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on Sept 23, 2018 13:51:00 GMT -5
Brokenstar is by far the most evil cat. All the other villains had reasons no matter how pitiful they were but Brokenstar didn't seemed to have any. Sure he was bullied as a kit but he murdered the cat equivalent of babies!!!!!!!
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 23, 2018 14:03:31 GMT -5
I don't think Scourge deserves third place unless you believe random one off statements like Lionblaze where it's said he kills for fun. If we go by his appearances, then here are his acts:
In the The Last Hope, Scourge does decide to attack the forest, but he also gives them a three day grace period and gives a good reason for doing it. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but if Bloodclan really is starving(and given what we see in the city it's likely he's telling the truth) then it's not really evil.
In his manga, Scourge does kill a rogue but that was one of Brokenstar's and there was a definite fear that they were going to hurt or kill someone at the rate they were bullying the Twoleg Place cats. As well, when he sees Socks and Ruby again, he's actually surprisingly reasonable. He doesn't let them join Bloodclan due to food shortages, but he still gives them some food and gives them safe passage out. Those two are the ones he should hate a lot, but he's not that harsh there.
The one true evil act he did was killing Barley's sister as punishment. It's inexcusable, but it was a punishment for his admittedly unfair rules and not just random violence. In that regard, he's much better than most other villains who kill without any provocation at all. Of the villains mentioned here, Scourge I feel is probably in the top three for least evil.
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Post by Redstorm on Sept 23, 2018 14:34:01 GMT -5
I don't think Scourge deserves third place unless you believe random one off statements like Lionblaze where it's said he kills for fun. If we go by his appearances, then here are his acts: In the The Last Hope, Scourge does decide to attack the forest, but he also gives them a three day grace period and gives a good reason for doing it. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but if Bloodclan really is starving(and given what we see in the city it's likely he's telling the truth) then it's not really evil. In his manga, Scourge does kill a rogue but that was one of Brokenstar's and there was a definite fear that they were going to hurt or kill someone at the rate they were bullying the Twoleg Place cats. As well, when he sees Socks and Ruby again, he's actually surprisingly reasonable. He doesn't let them join Bloodclan due to food shortages, but he still gives them some food and gives them safe passage out. Those two are the ones he should hate a lot, but he's not that harsh there. The one true evil act he did was killing Barley's sister as punishment. It's inexcusable, but it was a punishment for his admittedly unfair rules and not just random violence. In that regard, he's much better than most other villains who kill without any provocation at all. Of the villains mentioned here, Scourge I feel is probably in the top three for least evil. I based off my judgment off almost killing Barley's sister who didn't have anything to do with the crime. It reminds me of Darktail punishing Needletail and with those 2, it seemed they had really sadistic punishments such as harming loved ones for someone else's crime which was evil to me personally. I'm sure there were also numerous moments like this because Barley or other cats didn't single that out as the worst Scourge has done but merely his experience. When Boulder, Barley, etc describe BloodClan it seems like the environment was hell ish and those sadistic rules were devised by their Warriors as sort of a cold and calculating method to instill absolutely loyalty through fear. Also because there was no concept of food shared between BloodClan (except a lot going to Scourge) showed how it wasn't that they were going to starve if Barley had quit. How calculated and remorseless Scourge seemed to me during that moment (which I assume was one of many) always struck me on how his experiences and (how he reacted to them) transformed him into a monster.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 23, 2018 16:48:34 GMT -5
I don't think Scourge deserves third place unless you believe random one off statements like Lionblaze where it's said he kills for fun. If we go by his appearances, then here are his acts: In the The Last Hope, Scourge does decide to attack the forest, but he also gives them a three day grace period and gives a good reason for doing it. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but if Bloodclan really is starving(and given what we see in the city it's likely he's telling the truth) then it's not really evil. In his manga, Scourge does kill a rogue but that was one of Brokenstar's and there was a definite fear that they were going to hurt or kill someone at the rate they were bullying the Twoleg Place cats. As well, when he sees Socks and Ruby again, he's actually surprisingly reasonable. He doesn't let them join Bloodclan due to food shortages, but he still gives them some food and gives them safe passage out. Those two are the ones he should hate a lot, but he's not that harsh there. The one true evil act he did was killing Barley's sister as punishment. It's inexcusable, but it was a punishment for his admittedly unfair rules and not just random violence. In that regard, he's much better than most other villains who kill without any provocation at all. Of the villains mentioned here, Scourge I feel is probably in the top three for least evil. I based off my judgment off almost killing Barley's sister who didn't have anything to do with the crime. It reminds me of Darktail punishing Needletail and with those 2, it seemed they had really sadistic punishments such as harming loved ones for someone else's crime which was evil to me personally. I'm sure there were also numerous moments like this because Barley or other cats didn't single that out as the worst Scourge has done but merely his experience. When Boulder, Barley, etc describe BloodClan it seems like the environment was hell ish and those sadistic rules were devised by their Warriors as sort of a cold and calculating method to instill absolutely loyalty through fear. Also because there was no concept of food shared between BloodClan (except a lot going to Scourge) showed how it wasn't that they were going to starve if Barley had quit. How calculated and remorseless Scourge seemed to me during that moment (which I assume was one of many) always struck me on how his experiences and (how he reacted to them) transformed him into a monster. Barley's sister was a co-conspirator in the rule breaking, though again, the rule was unjust. Certainly it does seem to be the worst action he's ever taken given how every other time we see him, the Bloodclan cats seem to follow him as a hero. If he was constantly as bad as that, then he'd have certainly killed Ruby and Socks and cats wouldn't be so casual about asking him for advice about random things. Barley's description is questionable in regards to how much we can trust it. He talks about being kicked out of his mother's den at 12 moons as if it was some weird and jerkish thing to do, despite this happening to clan cats at 6 moons. There's definitely a very weird disconnect between the way Scourge is portrayed in the manga and the thing with Barley. In the manga, all of the tribute to him is given willingly and the cats there respect him for standing up for them. Maybe Scourge got worse over time or maybe not. The manga makes a mess of the timeline anyway because Scourge fights Brokenstar's rogues before getting his full regalia despite Barley's manga depicting him having the full set when he got Barley's sister, which has to be before. The Twoleg place cats were in a really, really bad place before Scourge. Even if he was brutal in keeping order, there's something to be said for the way he improved their lives.
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Post by Tas on Sept 23, 2018 17:17:52 GMT -5
Why does Mapleshade have a vote?
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Post by Redstorm on Sept 23, 2018 18:12:20 GMT -5
Why does Mapleshade have a vote? I would assume it's because they think she's responsible for corrupting Thistleclaw and Tigerstar (where she was a voice in his head since birth)
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