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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 16:56:00 GMT -5
Basically the flaw they stated was the way the book handles Breeze's redemption. They didn't tell me exactly how he redeemed himself, but they said that the book acts like we should just forgive Breeze because he's changed I saw that coming from a mile away geez. Well I guees I can accept it as long as he does show true remorse for his actions and the book dosent place all the blame on Crowfeather and Nightcloud. he blamed Crowfeather in TLH. I doubt breeze is gonna own up to his shit.
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Post by Pixie on Aug 28, 2018 16:56:02 GMT -5
Does that mean Crowfeather and Nightcloud become mates again? Or just stay as friends? They're good friends now, that's it Crowfeather doesn't have another love interest, does he?
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Post by Tas on Aug 28, 2018 16:56:49 GMT -5
it's the controversial character.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 28, 2018 16:57:05 GMT -5
Does that mean Crowfeather and Nightcloud become mates again? Or just stay as friends? They're good friends now, that's it Phew! That's good.
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Post by Viperstrike on Aug 28, 2018 16:57:12 GMT -5
I am interested.. What do you mean? Basically the flaw they stated was the way the book handles Breeze's redemption. They didn't tell me exactly how he redeemed himself, but they said that the book acts like we should just forgive Breeze because he's changed Greeeeeeeaaaaaat. Just great. Yep, this is exactly what I was worried about. Maybe when I read the book for myself I'll change my mind, but based on this alone this is why I hate redemption arcs. The Erins don't know how to write them properly. They make these characters do terrible things and then have them turn around and give a weak apology and suddenly everything is forgiven and everyone acts like nothing ever happened and that everything is normal. They do this every. single. time.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 28, 2018 16:57:22 GMT -5
it's the controversial character. Place your bets on whether it's CrowAsh or CrowSol!
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Post by gonxkillua on Aug 28, 2018 16:58:04 GMT -5
I saw that coming from a mile away geez. Well I guees I can accept it as long as he does show true remorse for his actions and the book dosent place all the blame on Crowfeather and Nightcloud. he blamed Crowfeather in TLH. I doubt breeze is gonna own up to his shit. I know but i can at least hope that this book isnt a complete Breezepelt apologist story.
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Post by sylveon on Aug 28, 2018 16:58:36 GMT -5
They're good friends now, that's it Crowfeather doesn't have another love interest, does he? They didn't mention it, but they did tweet there's no need to worry about crowxfeatherpaw So I'm assuming his love stays with Leafpool, could be wrong though
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Post by sylveon on Aug 28, 2018 17:00:41 GMT -5
Basically the flaw they stated was the way the book handles Breeze's redemption. They didn't tell me exactly how he redeemed himself, but they said that the book acts like we should just forgive Breeze because he's changed Greeeeeeeaaaaaat. Just great. Yep, this is exactly what I was worried about. Maybe when I read the book for myself I'll change my mind, but based on this alone this is why I hate redemption arcs. The Erins don't know how to write them properly. They make these characters do terrible things and then have them turn around and give a weak apology and suddenly everything is forgiven and everyone acts like nothing ever happened and that everything is normal. They do this every. single. time. The Erin's really have no idea how to handle redemptions. I'm hoping when I read it it's not THAT bad, they said they still enjoyed the book but I'm worried what breeze's excuse is gonna be
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 17:01:18 GMT -5
Basically the flaw they stated was the way the book handles Breeze's redemption. They didn't tell me exactly how he redeemed himself, but they said that the book acts like we should just forgive Breeze because he's changed Greeeeeeeaaaaaat. Just great. Yep, this is exactly what I was worried about. Maybe when I read the book for myself I'll change my mind, but based on this alone this is why I hate redemption arcs. The Erins don't know how to write them properly. They make these characters do terrible things and then have them turn around and give a weak apology and suddenly everything is forgiven and everyone acts like nothing ever happened and that everything is normal. They do this every. single. time. The only one who was done right was Hollyleaf. The rest have been either inconsistent or poorly written. Needletail is still the same selfish brat Skystar did something in MFV I cant remember And now Breezepelt has a forced redemption. Ugh.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 28, 2018 17:02:54 GMT -5
I am interested.. What do you mean? Basically the flaw they stated was the way the book handles Breeze's redemption. They didn't tell me exactly how he redeemed himself, but they said that the book acts like we should just forgive Breeze because he's changed Yup, this is exactly what I was worried about. Breezepelt getting a redemption arc was really obvious, so I was more concerned with how they were going to handle it. And since it seems to be handled poorly, then I'm not really that surprised.
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 28, 2018 17:03:15 GMT -5
Greeeeeeeaaaaaat. Just great. Yep, this is exactly what I was worried about. Maybe when I read the book for myself I'll change my mind, but based on this alone this is why I hate redemption arcs. The Erins don't know how to write them properly. They make these characters do terrible things and then have them turn around and give a weak apology and suddenly everything is forgiven and everyone acts like nothing ever happened and that everything is normal. They do this every. single. time. The only one who was done right was Hollyleaf. The rest have been either inconsistent or poorly written. Needletail is still the same selfish brat Skystar did something in MFV I cant remember And now Breezepelt has a forced redemption. Ugh. Clear Sky's actions in MFV are known by now many times over to be the result of inconsistent writing, and therefore not an intentional reversion of his character. If you can't even remember what he did, that doesn't seem like a justified reason to consider him un-redeemed.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 28, 2018 17:03:33 GMT -5
Any mention on when the manga took place?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 17:03:57 GMT -5
Any mention on when the manga took place? Better be Nightcloud.
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Post by briarfrost on Aug 28, 2018 17:05:14 GMT -5
I am interested.. What do you mean? Basically the flaw they stated was the way the book handles Breeze's redemption. They didn't tell me exactly how he redeemed himself, but they said that the book acts like we should just forgive Breeze because he's changed ah dammit that's exactly what I was afraid of, but a little what I expected. The Erins have never been good at redemption stories. I hope Breeze at least feels REMORSE and actually works his tail off. If the narrative is gonna push that everyone must forgive him, at least SHOW he's changed.
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Post by sylveon on Aug 28, 2018 17:06:30 GMT -5
Any mention on when the manga took place? I honestly didn't ask, but I can now
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Post by gonxkillua on Aug 28, 2018 17:06:43 GMT -5
Basically the flaw they stated was the way the book handles Breeze's redemption. They didn't tell me exactly how he redeemed himself, but they said that the book acts like we should just forgive Breeze because he's changed Yup, this is exactly what I was worried about. Breezepelt getting a redemption arc was really obvious, so I was more concerned with how they were going to handle it. And since it seems to be handled poorly, then I'm not really that surprised. I figured that they wouldnt give a decent redemption arc in a single book not even in his own pov but it's still disappointing.
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Post by sylveon on Aug 28, 2018 17:18:51 GMT -5
Any mention on when the manga took place? It takes place after shattered sky, when Crowfeather is made deputy. That's all I know!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 17:19:41 GMT -5
The only one who was done right was Hollyleaf. The rest have been either inconsistent or poorly written. Needletail is still the same selfish brat Skystar did something in MFV I cant remember And now Breezepelt has a forced redemption. Ugh. Clear Sky's actions in MFV are known by now many times over to be the result of inconsistent writing, and therefore not an intentional reversion of his character. If you can't even remember what he did, that doesn't seem like a justified reason to consider him un-redeemed. Uh, pardon me? I know something happened with Micah, but even if it is inconsistent, it still counts because it happened in the books. There's so many inconsistent things in the series, you know that as well as I do. Keep in mind I haven't read this book in a very long time. :/ Im perfectly aware that Kate wrote the book before she wrote one of the last ones. I also have not read DotC in years, so excuse that
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 28, 2018 17:22:06 GMT -5
Clear Sky's actions in MFV are known by now many times over to be the result of inconsistent writing, and therefore not an intentional reversion of his character. If you can't even remember what he did, that doesn't seem like a justified reason to consider him un-redeemed. Uh, pardon me? I know something happened with Micah, but even if it is inconsistent, it still counts because it happened in the books. There's so many inconsistent things in the series, you know that as well as I do. Keep in mind I haven't read this book in a very long time. :/ Im perfectly aware that Kate wrote the book before she wrote one of the last ones. I also have not read DotC in years, so excuse that I just meant that regardless of MFV's screwups, they still did write an actual good redemption arc in the second half of DotC. MFV doesn't make it so that that never happened, it just screws up the continuity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 17:24:30 GMT -5
Uh, pardon me? I know something happened with Micah, but even if it is inconsistent, it still counts because it happened in the books. There's so many inconsistent things in the series, you know that as well as I do. Keep in mind I haven't read this book in a very long time. :/ Im perfectly aware that Kate wrote the book before she wrote one of the last ones. I also have not read DotC in years, so excuse that I just meant that regardless of MFV's screwups, they still did write an actual good redemption arc in the second half of DotC. MFV doesn't make it so that that never happened, it just screws up the continuity. I know Skystar was decently written, but an inconsistent still happened like it did with Needletail. Hollyleaf was the only one written without any errors or inconsistency, and I wish they wrote it like how they did with her. Sorry if I seemed rude, didn't mean to come off that way
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 28, 2018 17:59:41 GMT -5
I’m really not, but I can’t post any evidence till I get home. Believe what you wanna believe, though. I'm joking, man. :c Oh, alright. My apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 18:35:00 GMT -5
Well, looks like Crowstar doesn't happen at least. I was hoping they wouldn't pull another Tigerstar on us and spoil the next main book And I'm honestly not surprised at Breezepelt's hinted "redemption". We already know Onestar has completely forgiven him already and he and the rest of WindClan don't know/ don't give jack squat that he tried to kill his siblings and don't know that he almost attacked his own clanmates. The only thing he has to be forgiven for is fighting alongside the dark forest, which yes, is a lot harder to be forgiven for since all the others, like Redwillow, who did died and we didn't get to see their fate- but the "regular" trainees were forgiven rather quickly and so I see no reason why Breezepelt would too considering the crimes WindClan acknowledges. So while yes, I would love to see him make up for all his crimes, including crimes against his extended family, it's obviously not going to happen cause this is WindClan we're talking about here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 18:46:24 GMT -5
Breezepelt is one, massive, lucky pile of fluff. He was so lucky so many times, holy moly. Had Honeyfern not come to Jayfeather and Poppyfrost's rescue they would have been done for. Had Ivypool not conveniently been on the patrol Breezepelt was on to attack WindClan he would have attacked his clanmate and the clan would have seen it. Had Crowfeather not been right there when Lionblaze was attacked Breezepelt could have possibly killed him- and I don't know if Crowfeather would have let him live at that point. All these times- or a combination of them- would have resulted in him killed at the worst or driven out at the least.
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 18:54:52 GMT -5
Still gonna read it im so ready but this time im not gonna let myself read spoilers
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 28, 2018 19:08:00 GMT -5
@ anyone who wanted a breezepelt redemption: how to u feel about it being handled this way
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Post by Tas on Aug 28, 2018 19:52:09 GMT -5
@ anyone who wanted a breezepelt redemption: how to u feel about it being handled this way well if it's bad then I'm not happy, 'nuff said
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 20:07:20 GMT -5
@ anyone who wanted a breezepelt redemption: how to u feel about it being handled this way A little upset... I'll admit... Was there still a HeatherBreeze hint or two somewhere? Anywhere?
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Post by Moonblazer on Aug 28, 2018 20:27:40 GMT -5
@ anyone who wanted a breezepelt redemption: how to u feel about it being handled this way I don’t really care. I’ll roll with it. I gotta read to judge it, but if he’s redeemed, then I’m fine with it. Blackstar was done practically the same and I was fine with him
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 28, 2018 22:00:30 GMT -5
Reading it again and honestly Crowfeather should just shack up with Harespring or something, like the tension is real it's there. :P
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