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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 17:20:08 GMT -5
Firestar appointed Graystripe as his deputy Actually, Firestar first appointed Whitestorm as his deputy. Graystripe didn’t stay deputy for long, at any rate. It wasn’t as if Graystripe became leader after Firestar—that was Brambleclaw.
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Post by TigerLily on Jul 29, 2018 17:25:06 GMT -5
Firestar appointed Graystripe as his deputy Actually, Firestar first appointed Whitestorm as his deputy. Graystripe didn’t stay deputy for long, at any rate. It wasn’t as if Graystripe became leader after Firestar—that was Brambleclaw. ... I know? Still, it's nepotism that he appointed Graystripe at all. I mean, the guy was a hazard to ThunderClan, he was loyal to RiverClan for a good part of his life! He only got the position because he's Firestar's friend. (remember, nepotism is how we got the lovely leader Brokenstar)
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 29, 2018 17:33:06 GMT -5
He's not related to Firestar...
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 29, 2018 17:43:26 GMT -5
Besides Brokenstar and Tigerstar I? Well, all leaders have their flaws (some worse than others), but I'd say it's either Morningstar for showing his Clan's weakness at a Gathering, Ripplestar for attacking the other Clans at a Gathering for apparently no reason, Cedarstar for doing things like attacking WindClan for apparently no reason and appointing an unworthy deputy, or Raggedstar for... being Raggedstar.
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Post by TigerLily on Jul 29, 2018 17:43:37 GMT -5
He's not related to Firestar... ...nepotism is when you put your friends/family in a job just because they're your friends/family... you don't have to be related...
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Post by hopestorm on Jul 29, 2018 19:29:17 GMT -5
He's not related to Firestar... ...nepotism is when you put your friends/family in a job just because they're your friends/family... you don't have to be related... he was thinking about how thunderclan didn't like him, but whitestorm ressuare that he was the right choice, that is why he choose greystripe and they are related. Firestar to Graystripe: Firestar mates with Sandstorm, who's father is Redtail, Who is Willowpelt's brother, who is Graystripe's father. Graystripe to Bluestar: Graystripe mates with Silverstream, who's father is Crookedstar,who's brother is Oakheart, who's mate is Bluestar.
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Post by TigerLily on Jul 29, 2018 19:37:24 GMT -5
...nepotism is when you put your friends/family in a job just because they're your friends/family... you don't have to be related... he was thinking about how thunderclan didn't like him, but whitestorm ressuare that he was the right choice, that is why he choose greystripe and they are related. Firestar to Graystripe: Firestar mates with Sandstorm, who's father is Redtail, Who is Willowpelt's brother, who is Graystripe's father. Graystripe to Bluestar: Graystripe mates with Silverstream, who's father is Crookedstar,who's brother is Oakheart, who's mate is Bluestar. i... i have no words. this is so far from what i was originally talking about that i don't even have a response
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 29, 2018 19:55:21 GMT -5
Appointing Graystripe being on the same level as the other unethical stuff being mentioned is kind of amazing. Graystripe may not have been the most qualified, but he wasn't exactly tragically underqualified either. He was an adequate deputy. I don't know, I just think it's kind of funny to bring that up in a thread of horrible ideas
Leopardstar and Blackfoot's weakness led to cats dying. Multiple cats, as a matter of fact. Meanwhile, Graystripe being appointed deputy did...what? It feels kind of like a murderer being caught who then defends himself by saying "Well that guy over there is jaywalking!"
Anyway on the subject of Oakstar and Ravenwing, I don't agree Mapleshade should've been exiled at all. Punished sure, but the separation from her kits was cruel. At least let her see them get apprenticed and explain things to them before ripping her away if exile is the only punishment they've got for her. It's clear that Oakstar was thinking more about his hatred of Riverclan than anything else in that scene. As for Ravenwing, he has an obligation to be beyond clan politics and reporting a secret like that did nothing but cause pain and suffering.
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Post by Pandean on Jul 29, 2018 21:56:55 GMT -5
?? Honestly I think at one point all leaders and higher-ups have made huge mistakes. It's what happens when you put someone in power, sooner or later SOMETHING will go bad. Blackfoot was brainwashed by Tigerstar because he was young Leopardstar let her Clan get taken over because that's likely what Crookedstar would have done as well and she was inexperienced Bluestar had paranoia problems and her Clan suffered because of it Crookedstar was too passive to Brokenstar Firestar appointed Graystripe as his deputy Onestar was a jerk to everyone and his Clan suffered as a result Mistystar flipped over Mothwing's atheism despite her being a confident medicine cat and the list goes on! Them having flaws is much better than all of them being perfect leaders. Besides, this is warriors, they need clan drama.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 30, 2018 1:22:33 GMT -5
He's not related to Firestar... ...nepotism is when you put your friends/family in a job just because they're your friends/family... you don't have to be related... But like... Have you noticed that Whitestorm picked him, not Firestar... So it isn't exactly nepotism... Firestar wasn't going to appoint him just because he was his friend...
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 30, 2018 3:53:41 GMT -5
So let's see here...
ThunderClan: Pinestar Goosefeather Bramblestar Leafpool Oakstar Ravenwing
ShadowClan: Tigerstar 2.0 (just because he exists Rowanstar Raggedstar Sagewhisker Foxheart Blackstar Russetfur Flametail
RiverClan: Leopardstar Hailstar Darkstar
WindClan: Onestar Crowfeather Hawkheart Mudclaw
SkyClan: Clear Sky/Skystar
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Post by hopestorm on Jul 30, 2018 4:41:46 GMT -5
Everyone is like they aren't related (well their not related by blood) here is hos they are related Firestar to Graystripe: Firestar mates with Sandstorm, who's father is Redtail, Who is Willowpelt's brother, who is Graystripe's father. Graystripe to Bluestar: Graystripe mates with Silverstream, who's father is Crookedstar,who's brother is Oakheart, who's mate is Bluestar.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 30, 2018 5:17:18 GMT -5
You guys are trying to look too deep into this. Plz stop.
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Post by TigerLily on Jul 30, 2018 7:12:44 GMT -5
...nepotism is when you put your friends/family in a job just because they're your friends/family... you don't have to be related... But like... Have you noticed that Whitestorm picked him, not Firestar... So it isn't exactly nepotism... Firestar wasn't going to appoint him just because he was his friend... But what merits did Graystripe have to be deputy??? He spent two books in RiverClan! TWO BOOKS! He's literally a traitor to ThunderClan??? It's nepotism! Nepotism I say! Whitestorm made a really OOC "decision" (again Firestar was the one picking, and Whitestorm kinda just said this on his deathbed so who knows how lucid he actually was) based on zero merits. Graystripe's not a great guy. I rest my case. I'm tired of talking about this, this wasn't even close to my original point.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 30, 2018 8:12:12 GMT -5
But like... Have you noticed that Whitestorm picked him, not Firestar... So it isn't exactly nepotism... Firestar wasn't going to appoint him just because he was his friend... But what merits did Graystripe have to be deputy??? He spent two books in RiverClan! TWO BOOKS! He's literally a traitor to ThunderClan??? It's nepotism! Nepotism I say! Whitestorm made a really OOC "decision" (again Firestar was the one picking, and Whitestorm kinda just said this on his deathbed so who knows how lucid he actually was) based on zero merits. Graystripe's not a great guy. I rest my case. I'm tired of talking about this, this wasn't even close to my original point. To be fair though, the action of picking a deputy who the leader trusts and knows very well is extremely common. Even if it seems like that cat doesn’t deserve it. Mistystar and Reedwhisker, Crookedstar and Oakheart, Bluestar and Firestar, Sunstar and Bluestar, Firestar and Bramblestar, Rowanstar and Tigerstar, these lists go on and on of family/friends/apprentices becoming leaders because the leader trusts them and knows them the best. Whitestorm, even dying, has alot of say in Firestar’s decision making. Firestar doubted choosing Graystripe, but with pretty strong assurance, Whitestorm reminded him that Firestar was always going to stand side by side with Graystripe. And if I’m honest, Graystripe was not that bad for a deputy choice. Especially right after the most violent battle in the entirety of the first arc. Firestar needed a deputy who could provide deep friendship and support now that his legitimate deputy choice was gone. Graystripe made real dumb decisions, but in the end he came back to Thunderclan and was clearly a pretty powerful fighter, able to protect his clanmates, I refer to his easy death blows on two full grown and trained warriors. I think Graystripe being deputy while Firestar and Thunderclan recovered from the Bloodclan time was an expected and understandable decision. Now should he be leader? Nope. And I’m glad he wasn’t. But he wasn’t a bad deputy, and he easily gave up any kind of desire for his rank back when Bramblestar took over. The writing of Graystripe being replaced by Bramblestar was always a really smart thing for them to do.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 30, 2018 9:21:08 GMT -5
But like... Have you noticed that Whitestorm picked him, not Firestar... So it isn't exactly nepotism... Firestar wasn't going to appoint him just because he was his friend... But what merits did Graystripe have to be deputy??? He spent two books in RiverClan! TWO BOOKS! He's literally a traitor to ThunderClan??? It's nepotism! Nepotism I say! Whitestorm made a really OOC "decision" (again Firestar was the one picking, and Whitestorm kinda just said this on his deathbed so who knows how lucid he actually was) based on zero merits. Graystripe's not a great guy. I rest my case. I'm tired of talking about this, this wasn't even close to my original point. In his time at River, he was shown to still be loyal to Thunder. He only went to prevent a war and help his kits. Besides, in the end, it wasn't Firestar's full decision. Thats canon. He's not a bad leader for it. I rest my case.
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