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Post by hazelstar on Jul 27, 2018 19:36:02 GMT -5
Opinions.
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Post by Fernstep on Jul 27, 2018 20:34:50 GMT -5
I feel like a broken record because I've answered this question so much that I don't even have to think about my response.
It has plenty of excellent moments and overall I like reading it and I think it's a good addition to the series. It's not my favorite arc by any means, but if the final book is good enough it might surpass POT as my third favorite arc.
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Post by Shadestar on Jul 27, 2018 20:45:50 GMT -5
I've enjoyed it well enough thus far. Still scratching my head over how Tigerheartstar came back to life not that I'm not happy with it. It's just a bit odd.
Now AVoS isn't my favorite arc, but I've enjoyed every arc to some degree. However the characters just felt a bit more bland compared to some of the other arcs. Thought that Onestar being Darktails' son came out of nowhere... think we'll have a SE on that or even a novella just to delve into that?
I don't understand why SkyClan didn't get to have the unclaimed forest that Hollyleaf used to hunt in... rather than taking up some of the clans own territory... especially as in earlier books/arcs no one wanted to give up even a scrap of their territory since they said the lakeside territory could only sustain four clans. I think it was during a trip to the Tribe of Rushing Water that it was even suggested?
Curious to see what happens with Tree and this new idea for another position in the clans. Perhaps the final book of the arc will delve into that.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 28, 2018 2:18:02 GMT -5
I feel like a broken record because I've answered this question so much that I don't even have to think about my response. It has plenty of excellent moments and overall I like reading it and I think it's a good addition to the series. It's not my favorite arc by any means, but if the final book is good enough it might surpass POT as my third favorite arc.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Jul 28, 2018 9:41:11 GMT -5
I feel like it was mediocre compared to the previous arcs in the series. It had a slow start in TAQ, then it started to become interesting when TAS and SS came along. However, after TS and the last two books came out, it started to fall apart for me. It became clear to me that the writing was not as good as I used to remember it. The plot turned into slog with Darkest Night mostly being pointless filler, with only the chapters at the beginning and the end containing info that actually contributed to the main story. River of Fire was a massive disappointment in my eyes due to the fact that the Erins could have done so much better than what they gave us. I was a little upset when they did not kill off more characters in the sickness and the titular fire towards the last half of the book. It felt like wasted potential to be honest.
Tigerheart’s Shadow was the book to make me become more critical of the series in general. I was not happy with the way they made Tigerheart become leader in the first place. Having him do the nine lives ceremony in StarClan to resurrect him completely broke all the canonical rules the series had built up over the almost two decades, on top of having a protagonist I did not particularly like, and having a barebones plot. It made me wrote a one star review on Goodreads on how terrible of a book this was, and my expectations drastically lowered since then. I am worried about the future of these books. If they keep going down towards a path of sloppy editing and bad writing, it will drive fans and potential readers away.
From what I could gather from the Lost Stars blurb, it seems that they had split the plot of AVOS into two parts. I feel that what was described in that blurb was supposed to be the second half of the current arc. I now know how the last book might go based on that blurb: SkyClan stays with the Clans at the lake.
I feel that if Darktail was not killed off in the middle of the arc, it would have been the best arc in the series because Darktail was the best villain to come out since Tigerstar 1. I definitely noticed the quality of the story had dropped since he died. I would have loved to see more character interaction between him and Hawkwing if he lived. The story would end the same with SkyClan joining the other ones at the lake, but Darktail would have the chance to do more damage.
Overall, AVOS for me is one of the weakest arcs and had the potential to be great, but was squandered halfway through.
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Post by hazelstar on Jul 28, 2018 12:38:12 GMT -5
I feel like it was mediocre compared to the previous arcs in the series. It had a slow start in TAQ, then it started to become interesting when TAS and SS came along. However, after TS and the last two books came out, it started to fall apart for me. It became clear to me that the writing was not as good as I used to remember it. The plot turned into slog with Darkest Night mostly being pointless filler, with only the chapters at the beginning and the end containing info that actually contributed to the main story. River of Fire was a massive disappointment in my eyes due to the fact that the Erins could have done so much better than what they gave us. I was a little upset when they did not kill off more characters in the sickness and the titular fire towards the last half of the book. It felt like wasted potential to be honest. Tigerheart’s Shadow was the book to make me become more critical of the series in general. I was not happy with the way they made Tigerheart become leader in the first place. Having him do the nine lives ceremony in StarClan to resurrect him completely broke all the canonical rules the series had built up over the almost two decades, on top of having a protagonist I did not particularly like, and having a barebones plot. It made me wrote a one star review on Goodreads on how terrible of a book this was, and my expectations drastically lowered since then. I am worried about the future of these books. If they keep going down towards a path of sloppy editing and bad writing, it will drive fans and potential readers away. From what I could gather from the Lost Stars blurb, it seems that they had split the plot of AVOS into two parts. I feel that what was described in that blurb was supposed to be the second half of the current arc. I now know how the last book might go based on that blurb: SkyClan stays with the Clans at the lake. I feel that if Darktail was not killed off in the middle of the arc, it would have been the best arc in the series because Darktail was the best villain to come out since Tigerstar 1. I definitely noticed the quality of the story had dropped since he died. I would have loved to see more character interaction between him and Hawkwing if he lived. The story would end the same with SkyClan joining the other ones at the lake, but Darktail would have the chance to do more damage. Overall, AVOS for me is one of the weakest arcs and had the potential to be great, but was squandered halfway through. Most of the terrible writing seems to come from the fact that they have such little time to work on these books and have a strict schedule, which is really sad because it makes for a lot of wasted potential. They only really have time to throw something at the wall and see what sticks.
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Post by Viperstrike on Jul 28, 2018 12:53:04 GMT -5
It's not my favorite but it's good
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Jul 28, 2018 12:55:33 GMT -5
I feel like it was mediocre compared to the previous arcs in the series. It had a slow start in TAQ, then it started to become interesting when TAS and SS came along. However, after TS and the last two books came out, it started to fall apart for me. It became clear to me that the writing was not as good as I used to remember it. The plot turned into slog with Darkest Night mostly being pointless filler, with only the chapters at the beginning and the end containing info that actually contributed to the main story. River of Fire was a massive disappointment in my eyes due to the fact that the Erins could have done so much better than what they gave us. I was a little upset when they did not kill off more characters in the sickness and the titular fire towards the last half of the book. It felt like wasted potential to be honest. Tigerheart’s Shadow was the book to make me become more critical of the series in general. I was not happy with the way they made Tigerheart become leader in the first place. Having him do the nine lives ceremony in StarClan to resurrect him completely broke all the canonical rules the series had built up over the almost two decades, on top of having a protagonist I did not particularly like, and having a barebones plot. It made me wrote a one star review on Goodreads on how terrible of a book this was, and my expectations drastically lowered since then. I am worried about the future of these books. If they keep going down towards a path of sloppy editing and bad writing, it will drive fans and potential readers away. From what I could gather from the Lost Stars blurb, it seems that they had split the plot of AVOS into two parts. I feel that what was described in that blurb was supposed to be the second half of the current arc. I now know how the last book might go based on that blurb: SkyClan stays with the Clans at the lake. I feel that if Darktail was not killed off in the middle of the arc, it would have been the best arc in the series because Darktail was the best villain to come out since Tigerstar 1. I definitely noticed the quality of the story had dropped since he died. I would have loved to see more character interaction between him and Hawkwing if he lived. The story would end the same with SkyClan joining the other ones at the lake, but Darktail would have the chance to do more damage. Overall, AVOS for me is one of the weakest arcs and had the potential to be great, but was squandered halfway through. Most of the terrible writing seems to come from the fact that they have such little time to work on these books and have a strict schedule, which is really sad because it makes for a lot of wasted potential. They only really have time to throw something at the wall and see what sticks. Knowing this makes me feel sorry for them. The editors at HC are to blame for the bad quality recently. If I owned HC, I would give the Erin’s plenty of time to flesh out their plots and characters. Sadly though, that’s not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 13:54:16 GMT -5
I don't really care for it.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Jul 28, 2018 17:41:39 GMT -5
It honestly sucks. Darktail should have been saved until the last three books. I honestly don't know what the editors will do to make the last book interesting at all, and I certainly do not see any reason why Violetshine and Twigbranch are important at all. They've had absolutely no consequence on the series so far, if anything Alderheart should have been part of the prophecy since he brought SkyClan and Darktail to the lake. Sparkpelt is also assumably in the prophecy but we don't even get a POV from her ??? Makes no sense. Needletail should have been developed more, she's a good character but she had so little book time to get to where she was at her death. Why the heck did they release Tigerheart's Shadow in the middle of this series? Completely ruined River of Fire, which is wayyyy to awesome of a title to be wasted on this book. Another series of wasted potential. I totally agree on Sparkpelt. She seemed like a very interesting character to explore, but we don’t even get a chapter in her POV. She was even foreshadowed in Hawkwings Journey as an important character. I think I’m done with Warriors after TRS.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 28, 2018 20:04:30 GMT -5
Knowing this makes me feel sorry for them. The editors at HC are to blame for the bad quality recently. If I owned HC, I would give the Erin’s plenty of time to flesh out their plots and characters. Sadly though, that’s not the case. HC doesn't own Warriors though. It's Working Partners that are the editorial team for Warriors and they're the ones that own the title. If you wanna put most of the blame, it's WP you should be pointing to. (Though HC does have some things to blame for as well)
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 28, 2018 20:25:27 GMT -5
I really enjoy it! Minus the TigerDove bullcrap, it’s a great arc!
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Post by nightstep on Jul 28, 2018 20:41:42 GMT -5
Overall I don't like the arc. While it's Super Editions, Hawkwing's Journey and Tigerheart's Shadow, were books I enjoyed a lot, Shattered Sky was amazing, and Darkest Night and River of Fire were enjoyable to me, the arc also has two of of my least favorite books ever (and if I rank all the books only in arcs, they are my least favorite), The Apprentice's Quest and Thunder and Shadow. Those two books were really bad for me, and bring down the arc overall a lot. While the main characters in 3-5 are great characters, Alderpaw as an apprentice and Twigkit and Violetkit in TaS are weak to me, and the supporting characters like Sparkpelt, Needletail, and ESPECIALLY Darktail are really bad. Darktail as a villain and as a shoehorned forbidden relationship child is just ridiculous as well. As far as an arc, it ranks for me above TNP, but it's definitely overall worse than the other ones.
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Post by hazelstar on Jul 28, 2018 22:16:34 GMT -5
Most of the terrible writing seems to come from the fact that they have such little time to work on these books and have a strict schedule, which is really sad because it makes for a lot of wasted potential. They only really have time to throw something at the wall and see what sticks. Knowing this makes me feel sorry for them. The editors at HC are to blame for the bad quality recently. If I owned HC, I would give the Erin’s plenty of time to flesh out their plots and characters. Sadly though, that’s not the case. Yeah, HC shouldn't have this much control over the series. They demand a lot of the Erins
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