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Post by Mau Furlong on Jul 12, 2018 15:32:32 GMT -5
What in the world are Mediators in warriors?? It said Tree was one....but what is it??
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Post by Tas on Jul 12, 2018 15:33:50 GMT -5
An excuse for Tree to be allowed to stay.
Basically, Tree has this ability to communicate with dead cats in a slightly different way than StarClan cats; he can see them kinda interacting with the real world.
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Post by Kibui on Jul 12, 2018 15:52:49 GMT -5
Trust Leafstar to come up with another bad idea...
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 12, 2018 16:01:02 GMT -5
Tree is supposed to deal with little arguments/conflicts within the Clan.....but the Clan leader basically already does this.
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Post by Mau Furlong on Jul 12, 2018 16:10:36 GMT -5
So he can go to any clan?? And talk to the dead??
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 12, 2018 16:11:15 GMT -5
So he can go to any clan?? And talk to the dead?? Just read the books and find out yourself?
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Post by Tas on Jul 12, 2018 16:11:52 GMT -5
So he can go to any clan?? And talk to the dead?? Just read the books and find out yourself? ^, it's pretty clear in the books.
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Post by Sundance on Jul 12, 2018 16:25:03 GMT -5
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 12, 2018 16:36:49 GMT -5
He's another cat they tossed a magic power to to give him a role we did not need. I like Tree's personality, but he's the dictionary definition of unneeded.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 12, 2018 16:41:06 GMT -5
Also, Kate said there won't be anymore mediators.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 12, 2018 17:41:39 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I thought Tree's role was pretty obvious to me, so I'm honestly more confused why other people are confused by it: it's simply to settle disputes between Clan cats through an unbiased lens.
And yes, leaders and medicine cats already do this, but that isn't their main role, unlike with Tree, whose sole purpose within the Clans will be to do just that and only that (besides talking to spirits and summoning them, I guess), ensuring peace between Clan cats and possibly between the five Clans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 17:59:53 GMT -5
Trust Leafstar to come up with another bad idea... So you're judging Leafstar when we haven't even seen use much of this role yet? And even then, the daylight warriors role was sensible. Many cats had a hard time choosing between their Clan and twolegs, plus SkyClan was still new back then. Leafstar had to keep her clan strong. I doubt they'll keep the daylight warriors now since they're back home. You're being too hard on Leafstar and refusing to give her a chance. She's much stronger and smarter now. She's grown. She isn't the same as before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 18:02:00 GMT -5
He's another cat they tossed a magic power to to give him a role we did not need. I like Tree's personality, but he's the dictionary definition of unneeded. Tbh I find Tree annoying and lazy. I don't dislike him but it just felt like unneeded filler when others were trying to decide his purpose. His role is fine, it's him being bland and unneeded is what I have a problem with.
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Post by Fernstep on Jul 12, 2018 18:30:42 GMT -5
The mediator role was bad and unnecessary, Tree as a character was mediocre and unnecessary, and Tree as Violetshine's love interest is terrible and unnecessary.
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Post by Mayflower on Jul 12, 2018 18:42:22 GMT -5
Found it ;p Apparently a few of these are answered, if Kate saying mediators won't be a thing is accurate, but, like...still? Eh. Mayflower , Tree's role is to settle arguments specifically. Medicine cats already do this, but this isn't their main job, which is to heal and speak to StarClan. Not to mention that they're supposed to be above Clan rivalries anyway, and when they do try to stop arguments, it isn't always successful . Tree on the other hand can do this, and he does it well, as he's able to look at both sides of the issue without much bias. He's not a medicine cat or warrior, but can still contribute to the Clans by helping settle arguments, which would in turn help bring peace. Well, that and—from a writing standpoint—it seems likes the Erins just didn't know what to do with him after DN. I guess that would make sense, but being biased will probably come later, anyway...for example, if he spends most of his time in SkyClan (and probably will), he may subconsciously become biased toward them. To prevent this, will he spend considerable time between each Clan for moons on end, or what? There are reasons why medicine cats can travel freely between Clans and are protected by law, so will he have the same protection? If he doesn't spend time with each Clan often, will a cat be chosen from each Clan to be the mediator? Will they gather, like MCs do at the Moonpool, when problems occur and bring rationality forward? If each Clan has one mediator, how will they ensure they don't become biased? Living with their Clan will almost certainly create that regardless. MCs were already being used to calm cats, but I guess I'm drawing back to the first few arcs, when Cinderpelt and Yellowfang (even with her sharp tongue) soothed their Clanmates when they were anxious. Leafpool did that often, too, like during Eclipse after the huge multi-Clan battle. One time that comes to mind is ThunderClan panicking after Bluestar declared war on StarClan/said StarClan had turned their backs on them. When Firestar gathered the terrified Clan for a meeting, he looked to Cinderpelt, who reassured them and told them that she had had no signs about any such thing, and everyone visibly calmed down. The Clans listen to the MC seemingly above all else. Where will the mediator's rank fall -- below MCs, above them, or what? When fights broke out during the full moon, MCs were almost always the one to break it up, while the leaders reinforced the MCs' warning to break up to return to their camps or stop fighting. Barring that, they were always the voice of reason until OOTS, when their dumb ancestors pitted them against one another. No matter how stupid the Clan leaders are in this arc, though, we saw in Willowshine's bonus scene from ROF, Alderheart's repeated actions from various occasions, Kestrelflight's defiance against Onestar, and Mothwing sneaking into ShadowClan territory to check on her Clanmates, etc. that they won't let that happen again and they're still going to do what's right, with the help of the other MCs. Those were just a couple moons of fractured confusion in OOTS after decades of MCs standing together, so I sort of excused that brief time. And like I mentioned, Tree didn't want to fight/hunt/patrol, so what will he do in camp all day? Will he just sit around, waiting for an argument to break out between his Clanmates/the other Clans? I mean, MCs gather herbs during the day, check their stocks, heal cats, work on herbs' growth in the territory, train their apprentices, reapply poultices, go around rechecking wounds or pregnancies or kits, hurry to heal wounded cats out in the territory, travel if need be to deliver messages to the other Clans (and seen as a symbol of peace, opposed to warriors going into enemy territory, so maybe the mediator will do this...?), etc. So I always thought MCs had several jobs -- healing, communing with StarClan, and being above rivalries to tend to everyone, which seems to be what Tree will do. I'm not trying to rag on you, by the way! I genuinely don't understand the logistics for his rank here. But yeah, I think your last sentence is what happened ;p I was bummed to find yet another character with powers, and even then, I was slightly impressed with the ending. Seeing the aftermath now...not so much.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 12, 2018 18:43:21 GMT -5
Found it ;p Apparently a few of these are answered, if Kate saying mediators won't be a thing is accurate, but, like...still? Eh. I guess that would make sense, but being biased will probably come later, anyway...for example, if he spends most of his time in SkyClan (and probably will), he may subconsciously become biased toward them. To prevent this, will he spend considerable time between each Clan for moons on end, or what? There are reasons why medicine cats can travel freely between Clans and are protected by law, so will he have the same protection? If he doesn't spend time with each Clan often, will a cat be chosen from each Clan to be the mediator? Will they gather, like MCs do at the Moonpool, when problems occur and bring rationality forward? If each Clan has one mediator, how will they ensure they don't become biased? Living with their Clan will almost certainly create that regardless. MCs were already being used to calm cats, but I guess I'm drawing back to the first few arcs, when Cinderpelt and Yellowfang (even with her sharp tongue) soothed their Clanmates when they were anxious. Leafpool did that often, too, like during Eclipse after the huge multi-Clan battle. One time that comes to mind is ThunderClan panicking after Bluestar declared war on StarClan/said StarClan had turned their backs on them. When Firestar gathered the terrified Clan for a meeting, he looked to Cinderpelt, who reassured them and told them that she had had no signs about any such thing, and everyone visibly calmed down. The Clans listen to the MC seemingly above all else. Where will the mediator's rank fall -- below MCs, above them, or what? When fights broke out during the full moon, MCs were almost always the one to break it up, while the leaders reinforced the MCs' warning to break up to return to their camps or stop fighting. Barring that, they were always the voice of reason until OOTS, when their dumb ancestors pitted them against one another. No matter how stupid the Clan leaders are in this arc, though, we saw in Willowshine's bonus scene from ROF, Alderheart's repeated actions from various occasions, Kestrelflight's defiance against Onestar, and Mothwing sneaking into ShadowClan territory to check on her Clanmates, etc. that they won't let that happen again and they're still going to do what's right, with the help of the other MCs. Those were just a couple moons of fractured confusion in OOTS after decades of MCs standing together, so I sort of excused that brief time. And like I mentioned, Tree didn't want to fight/hunt/patrol, so what will he do in camp all day? Will he just sit around, waiting for an argument to break out between his Clanmates/the other Clans? I mean, MCs gather herbs during the day, check their stocks, heal cats, work on herbs' growth in the territory, train their apprentices, reapply poultices, go around rechecking wounds or pregnancies or kits, hurry to heal wounded cats out in the territory, travel if need be to deliver messages to the other Clans (and seen as a symbol of peace, opposed to warriors going into enemy territory, so maybe the mediator will do this...?), etc. So I always thought MCs had several jobs -- healing, communing with StarClan, and being above rivalries to tend to everyone, which seems to be what Tree will do. I'm not trying to rag on you, by the way! I genuinely don't understand the logistics for his rank here. But yeah, I think your last sentence is what happened ;p I was bummed to find yet another character with powers, and even then, I was slightly impressed with the ending. Seeing the aftermath now...not so much. She said it on the CT spoiler page on BlogClan.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 12, 2018 18:44:56 GMT -5
Tree is supposed to deal with little arguments/conflicts within the Clan.....but the Clan leader basically already does this. And especially Medicine cats, for they stand apart from that sorta conflict as is. You'd think they'd be like mediators as well, they kinda already are, it works alongside the healer/seer based rank they have, and as Yellowfang and Cinderpelt have shown, they also play a role in being advisers and confidants. So I kinda don't see why they needed a Mediator role by itself when there's a rank that already does that as is and much more.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 12, 2018 18:46:01 GMT -5
Also, Kate said there won't be anymore mediators. Good. We don't need to add another possible rank to the clan hierarchy.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 12, 2018 19:58:23 GMT -5
Tree is supposed to deal with little arguments/conflicts within the Clan.....but the Clan leader basically already does this. And especially Medicine cats, for they stand apart from that sorta conflict as is. You'd think they'd be like mediators as well, they kinda already are, it works alongside the healer/seer based rank they have, and as Yellowfang and Cinderpelt have shown, they also play a role in being advisers and confidants. So I kinda don't see why they needed a Mediator role by itself when there's a rank that already does that as is and much more.In the recent books, their role as neutral seems to not matter. We have seen this several times in both WindClan and RiverClan with the border closing. I highly doubt the medicine cats will ever return to being neutral given their leaders can throw their weight around with a medicine cat’s loyalty.
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Post by Kibui on Jul 12, 2018 20:01:36 GMT -5
Trust Leafstar to come up with another bad idea... So you're judging Leafstar when we haven't even seen use much of this role yet? And even then, the daylight warriors role was sensible. Many cats had a hard time choosing between their Clan and twolegs, plus SkyClan was still new back then. Leafstar had to keep her clan strong. I doubt they'll keep the daylight warriors now since they're back home. You're being too hard on Leafstar and refusing to give her a chance. She's much stronger and smarter now. She's grown. She isn't the same as before. Well, maybe bad isn't the right word here - pointless fits it better. As others have already stated before me, this role is unneeded as medicine cats and leaders already do this (and apart from the fact that a good leader should be able to settle bigger disputes within the Clan herself, since as its leader the members are her responsibility ...) As for the daylight warriors: It would have been a sensible solution had Leafstar been assertive enough to make them choose after they got to know the Clan life enough (like Cedarstar did with Boulder and Russetfur for example). As for her being smarter or stronger... I'm sorry but reading AVoS and HWJ I didn't really see any difference in her bad decision making. She's still too stubborn in the wrong places and most of her decisions - to me at least - are beyond mind-boggling in how imprudent they are.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 12, 2018 20:09:39 GMT -5
And especially Medicine cats, for they stand apart from that sorta conflict as is. You'd think they'd be like mediators as well, they kinda already are, it works alongside the healer/seer based rank they have, and as Yellowfang and Cinderpelt have shown, they also play a role in being advisers and confidants. So I kinda don't see why they needed a Mediator role by itself when there's a rank that already does that as is and much more.In the recent books, their role as neutral seems to not matter. We have seen this several times in both WindClan and RiverClan with the border closing. I highly doubt the medicine cats will ever return to being neutral given their leaders can throw their weight around with a medicine cat’s loyalty. Yeah... that's honestly starting to annoy me too.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 12, 2018 22:03:55 GMT -5
In the recent books, their role as neutral seems to not matter. We have seen this several times in both WindClan and RiverClan with the border closing. I highly doubt the medicine cats will ever return to being neutral given their leaders can throw their weight around with a medicine cat’s loyalty. Yeah... that's honestly starting to annoy me too. It makes sense given the insanity that recently happened. And the medicine cats in those respective Clans, don’t exactly have a backbone. (Mothwing and Willowshine, respectively in RiverClan.) Kestralflight at least had an excuse as he had to put up with Onestar his entire life, so he knows it’s pretty useless to go against him. So without medicine cats that are willing to challenge their leaders, I see the neutral part of medicine cats steadily fading away within a few more generations. (Once the ThunderClan’s brigade dies out, Jayfeather and Leafpool were ones that could actively defy their leader, or wish too If they find it important enough.)
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 13, 2018 2:45:56 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I thought Tree's role was pretty obvious to me, so I'm honestly more confused why other people are confused by it: it's simply to settle disputes between Clan cats through an unbiased lens. And yes, leaders and medicine cats already do this, but that isn't their main role, unlike with Tree, whose sole purpose within the Clans will be to do just that and only that (besides talking to spirits and summoning them, I guess), ensuring peace between Clan cats and possibly between the five Clans. Considering how nasty the clan cats have been lately, not just with other clans, but in their own clans with one another as well, I think it's a pretty suitable position for Tree. It's like the third opinion in an argument that helps settle things and find a compromise. That and he's like a clan counselor, cause man do some of these cats need one. If TC had one, Dove could have confided in a cat about her dreams, Blossomfall could have talked to someone about Millie's neglect, etc. Basically, some of these cats need counseling, pftt. And rn SkyClan is on pretty shaky ground in general. I see nothing wrong with them having someone to talk to in a time of need, or settling problems.
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Post by Mayflower on Jul 13, 2018 5:47:37 GMT -5
I just can't see what he'll do when there's not conflict. In the books, he didn't want to hunt or patrol or do anything useful, which was why Violetshine kept panicking whenever she saw Leafstar talking to him, because Leafstar was getting on his tail about not doing anything. When they were patrolling, he kept stopping to wander and scratch and do a bunch of silly little things that, ya know, had nothing to do with patrolling. Maybe if it was shown as him exploring or something, that might make more sense, but Violetshine noted he was just...there and not caring about what they were doing. And we've certainly not seen any scenes of him hunting properly. I think she tried to show him once (which was how they found the former ShC cats?), but other than that, nothing. I simply don't get the point. I think giving the medicine cats their power back, with some sort of meeting in the books about it, would've been better. I'd like to see a Gathering addressing that instead of a pointless character being shoehorned into the story for no reason other than brief shock factor with the dead cats.
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Post by Mayflower on Jul 13, 2018 5:49:38 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I thought Tree's role was pretty obvious to me, so I'm honestly more confused why other people are confused by it: it's simply to settle disputes between Clan cats through an unbiased lens. And yes, leaders and medicine cats already do this, but that isn't their main role, unlike with Tree, whose sole purpose within the Clans will be to do just that and only that (besides talking to spirits and summoning them, I guess), ensuring peace between Clan cats and possibly between the five Clans. Considering how nasty the clan cats have been lately, not just with other clans, but in their own clans with one another as well, I think it's a pretty suitable position for Tree. It's like the third opinion in an argument that helps settle things and find a compromise. That and he's like a clan counselor, cause man do some of these cats need one. If TC had one, Dove could have confided in a cat about her dreams, Blossomfall could have talked to someone about Millie's neglect, etc. Basically, some of these cats need counseling, pftt. And rn SkyClan is on pretty shaky ground in general. I see nothing wrong with them having someone to talk to in a time of need, or settling problems. The problem is I don't think that would've worked, anyway. Dovewing was being guilted into not telling anyone, while Blossomfall seems to have had a moment of weakness when talking to Ivypool, and comes off as a private cat. Some of them definitely need counseling, but I wish they'd confide in their medicine cats instead, since that's what the role is supposed to be. The medicine cats have already been shown talking to their Clanmates about stuff and confiding in them, but the MC roles have gotten so...watered down and boring now, with no substance other than cats being forced into the role and then doing nothing. It kinda sucks, since that was my favorite rank in TPB/TNP.
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Post by Tas on Jul 13, 2018 13:36:45 GMT -5
An excuse for Tree to be allowed to stay. Basically, Tree has this ability to communicate with dead cats in a slightly different way than StarClan cats; he can see them kinda interacting with the real world. Why on earth is everyone liking this
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Post by Rανєη'ѕ ƑƖιgнт on Jul 13, 2018 14:01:35 GMT -5
An excuse for Tree to be allowed to stay. Basically, Tree has this ability to communicate with dead cats in a slightly different way than StarClan cats; he can see them kinda interacting with the real world. Why on earth is everyone liking this Because it's true. Personally, I find Tree annoying.
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