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Post by Ligerfrost on May 10, 2018 21:31:49 GMT -5
How many leaders/deputies have lied to their Clanmates in someway shape or form?
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Post by Chocolate-Fawn on May 10, 2018 23:03:02 GMT -5
Too many to count
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Post by streamflower on May 11, 2018 1:55:48 GMT -5
Thunderclan:
Oakstar - Claims to be a good leader. This is a lie, given that he exiles Mapleshade's kits, seemingly out of revenge.
Doestar - Lies about not being hungry. Dies because of it.
Pinestar - Says he'll be a good and loyal leader. Leaves the clans to become a kittypet.
Sunstar - Let his clan believe he was gifted 9 lives from Starclan, when he was only gifted 8.
Bluestar - Had kits with a cat from another clan; gave those kits up; lied to her clan about the fates of her kits.
Firestar - Caught prey for Riverclan/Skyclan/etc
Bramblestar - Trained in the Dark Forest, conspired to murder his leader
Windclan:
Heatherstar - Not sure. She doesn't seem as though she's lied, unless you count her keeping the fact that one of her warriors would be disloyal to herself?
Tallstar - He kept the fact that he didn't think Mudclaw would be a good leader until the last second and basically caused a civil war in his own clan
Onestar - Darktail
Harestar - Nothing yet
Riverclan:
Hailstar - Didn't inform Crookedstar (or the rest of the clan) that he'd be changing his prefix to "Crooked" until the ceremony, which, IMO, is pretty terrible
Crookedstar - Lived away from the clan for the first few months of his life, trained with Mapleshade, kept Oakheart's kits lives a secret, kept Silverstream's secret (until she died, that is)
Leopardstar - Said she'd be a good leader. Instead, founded Skull Island with Tigerstar
Mistystar - Kept the fact that Mothwing doesn't believe in Starclan from her clanmates
Shadowclan:
Cedarstar: He didn't really seem to keep anything from his clanmates, expect maybe his regrets, but I can't hold that against him.
Raggedstar: He mated with a medicine cat & his father was a kittypet
Brokenstar: He killed kits and lied about it, stole kits and lied about it, pretended to be chill in Thunderclan and attacked it
Nightstar: Wasn't actually leader
Tigerstar: Killed the deputy and blamed another cat, plotted to kill his leader with Brokenstar, lied about all of his reasonings for wanting to be leader, lied about Thunderclan, Lied about the omen, lied about wanting to share with Leopardstar and Scourge, lied about not wanting to hurt any cats
Blackstar: It's not so much that he lied about anything, he just fell for a lot of things; so I'm not sure with him
Rowanstar: Lied about wanting to be a good leader; gave up waaaaay too easily
Tigerstar II: Mated with a Thunderclan cat and then ran away to find her and convert other cats to his religion
Skyclan:
Clear Sky: Claims to be good. Is actually bad.
Cloudstar: Haven't seen enough of him
Leafstar: She had fears of being leader, but I feel like she was pretty open about that
If I missed anyone/anything just add
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 11, 2018 2:17:27 GMT -5
So basically one too many, lol.
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Post by Ligerfrost on May 11, 2018 5:26:44 GMT -5
Let's see Graystripe too for the Silverstream thing.
Lionheart hid Pinestar's meetings
Squirrelflight Leafpool's kits
Crowfeather Leafpool
Oakheart Bluestar and his kit's.
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Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on May 11, 2018 6:55:14 GMT -5
Leopardstar - Said she'd be a good leader. Instead, founded Skull Island with Tigerstar Brokenstar: He killed kits and lied about it, stole kits and lied about it, pretended to be chill in Thunderclan and attacked it Tigerstar II: Mated with a Thunderclan cat and then ran away to find her and convert other cats to his religion Thank you for making me laugh out loud this morning! The way these are written are hilarious. |
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Post by streamflower on May 12, 2018 20:09:31 GMT -5
Leopardstar - Said she'd be a good leader. Instead, founded Skull Island with Tigerstar Brokenstar: He killed kits and lied about it, stole kits and lied about it, pretended to be chill in Thunderclan and attacked it Tigerstar II: Mated with a Thunderclan cat and then ran away to find her and convert other cats to his religion Thank you for making me laugh out loud this morning! The way these are written are hilarious. Glad to have made you laugh! And yeah, I tend to get a little sarcastic when I get frustrated with a character... |
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Post by Showers on May 13, 2018 1:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by Katanaheart on May 13, 2018 2:53:42 GMT -5
As for Deputies....
(And I’ll just be covering those who were not made leader. Also my mind is really blank on the super edition/novella deputies, so I’ll do what I can.)
ThunderClan
Tawnyspots-No lies that I can think of.
Redtail-No lies unless you count, not telling Spottedleaf, Yellowfang, or Firestar about his death, you’re a StarClan cat, Redtail, go spy on people’s dreams!
Lionheart-He did cover for Pinestar if memory serves, so he did lie, till that secret was revealed by Pinestar himself.
Graystripe-His romance with Silverstream, which was lying and being disloyal to his Clanmates.
RiverClan
Shellheart-No lies that I can think of.
Timberfur-No lies that I can think of.
Oakheart-Had a forbidden relationship with bluestar, lies to the Clan and Graypool about the origin of his children.
Hawkfrost-Rebellion with WindClan, plotting to kill Firestar, everything concerning his sister.
Reedwhisker-He had a crush on Leafpool I think? (Or I’m just misremembering events, which is likely.)
WindClan
Reedfeather- Had a RiverClan mate.
Deadfoot-No lies that I can think of.
Mudclaw-Plotted against his own Clan and had conspirators in other Clans.
Ashfoot-No lies that I can think of.
ShadowClan
Stonetooth-No lies that I can think of.
Foxheart-Rather loyal to her name, she has told no lies that I can think of.
Cloudpelt-No lies that I can think of.
Cinderfur-No lies.
Russetfur-Probably kept her past life as Red to a minimum around the younger generations?
Crowfrost-No lies that we know of.
SkyClan
Buzzardtail-I believe he had hope they would survive but I don’t fully remember that scene at all.
Sharpclaw-Lied to Firestar, stating he was a loner at the time; instead of explaining that he used to be a kittypet.
Wasptail-Nothing that I can think of.
Hawkwing-There are things I just can’t think of any examples...
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 3:24:10 GMT -5
Thunderclan: Firestar - Caught prey for Riverclan/Skyclan/etc - Kept Skyclan a secret all his life.Bramblestar - Trained in the Dark Forest, conspired to murder his leader - Also kept secret about Skyclan, until they turned up and he was forced to explain. Shadowclan: Nightstar - Lied about receiving nine lives/leader name, when he was actually rejected by Starclan. Windclan: Heatherstar - Not sure. She doesn't seem as though she's lied, unless you count her keeping the fact that one of her - Didn't tell Talltail that Starclan had given her a message, that they expected him to leave. Only told him after his return. So for a time, he assumed Heatherstar didn't care about him leaving, which might of encouraged him to stay away. Just adding a few extra things. |
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Post by Lightflame on May 13, 2018 18:37:52 GMT -5
Everyone tells a lie at least once in their life.
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Post by Fernstep on May 13, 2018 23:37:22 GMT -5
I would point out that several of the things on these lists weren't actually things that those cats did while the held the leader position. Most of Firestar's gaffes (most. not SkyClan) were before he became leader or even deputy, while Bramblestar so far has honestly just been bland as a leader. Clear Sky's position in this is debatable since he was leader the entire time, but the formal leader system hadn't been established yet. Also, most of his lies were to the moor group, not to his own cats (again, most. not Misty). Blackstar as well did most of his worst stuff before becoming leader.
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Post by Katanaheart on May 14, 2018 3:40:09 GMT -5
I would point out that several of the things on these lists weren't actually things that those cats did while the held the leader position. Most of Firestar's gaffes (most. not SkyClan) were before he became leader or even deputy, while Bramblestar so far has honestly just been bland as a leader. Clear Sky's position in this is debatable since he was leader the entire time, but the formal leader system hadn't been established yet. Also, most of his lies were to the moor group, not to his own cats (again, most. not Misty). Blackstar as well did most of his worst stuff before becoming leader. The original post lists both leaders and deputies, so decisions made when the leader is still deputy can count. The original post also mentions nothing about when, just cats that held the title of deputy and leader. |
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Post by mothsnap on May 14, 2018 4:05:23 GMT -5
Way shape or form? How many of you have lied in any way shape or form? Lol. No one doesn’t lie
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on May 14, 2018 21:59:39 GMT -5
I think pretty much all of them lie about something weather it's big or small.
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