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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 4, 2018 0:58:41 GMT -5
What do you think she meant when she told Twigpaw "you don't belong here?" I really hope she just meant that Twigbranch didn't belong at the Moonpool, because I don't think I'd able to handle her leaving ThunderClan again.
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Post by Jaysnow on May 4, 2018 1:00:57 GMT -5
Pretty sure she meant Moonpool. If she actually meant ThunderClan I'll burn all of AVOS.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on May 4, 2018 20:49:21 GMT -5
Probably Moonpool. The hilariously inconsistent thing is that if Twigbranch had been in the old forest, that conversation might not of occurred. The main reason being that in the old forest, apprentices were required to go to the Moonstone before they became warriors. I really wish they would bring the tradition back. It would make a lot more cats respect Starclan... And if Twigbranch was around during that time, she probably would've missed that due to her unstable apprenticeship...
And this is not the first time a cat has gone without permission ( thinking of Poppyfrost). And that time they actually did manage to communicate, or rather, the cat in question communicated through Jayfeather. I don't think such a big deal was made then.
Another thing I thought of was you don't belong in the Clans at all, but I feel like that doesn't make much sense given the recent turn of events.
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Post by Amberfoot on May 4, 2018 22:31:16 GMT -5
Wheeledwarrior - huh, that’s right! I forgot about the apprentices visiting the Moonstone.. Did they actually meet with StarClan? I’m trying to remember. I did love the tradition and it was nice to see that all of the cats could connect with their ancestors, not just the special ones.
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I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on May 4, 2018 22:40:00 GMT -5
And this is not the first time a cat has gone without permission ( thinking of Poppyfrost). And that time they actually did manage to communicate, or rather, the cat in question communicated through Jayfeather. I don't think such a big deal was made then. I give Poppyfrost leeway because that was done in desperation to get closure from Honeyfern's death/her sister's approval and reassurance, even if the likelihood of actually contacting Honeyfern was almost nonexistent. Twigbranch was just being nosy and knew it was wrong, but she did it, anyway, which is why I think it was a much bigger deal, because she doesn't understand boundaries and just does whatever. Even Alderheart got upset and thought she had gone too far by doing that. |
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 4, 2018 22:41:38 GMT -5
Wheeledwarrior - huh, that’s right! I forgot about the apprentices visiting the Moonstone.. Did they actually meet with StarClan? I’m trying to remember. I did love the tradition and it was nice to see that all of the cats could connect with their ancestors, not just the special ones. They did. We see this pretty much any time a cat has a PoV from the old forest, and not just the medicine cats either. This stopped once the cats reached the lake, and it's not an inconsistency either because it's actually brought up in one of the books. I think an explanation why it stopped was given by the Erins, but I can't remember what it was. |
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 4, 2018 22:47:10 GMT -5
And this is not the first time a cat has gone without permission ( thinking of Poppyfrost). And that time they actually did manage to communicate, or rather, the cat in question communicated through Jayfeather. I don't think such a big deal was made then. I give Poppyfrost leeway because that was done in desperation to get closure from Honeyfern's death/her sister's approval and reassurance, even if the likelihood of actually contacting Honeyfern was almost nonexistent. Twigbranch was just being nosy and knew it was wrong, but she did it, anyway, which is why I think it was a much bigger deal, because she doesn't understand boundaries and just does whatever. Even Alderheart got upset and thought she had gone too far by doing that. And yet, running away to find SkyClan on her own, thus putting herself at risk of getting lost and dying isn't going too far. I know the Moonpool is sacred, but come on! Twigpaw overstepped her boundaries long ago. |
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Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on May 4, 2018 23:23:08 GMT -5
I give Poppyfrost leeway because that was done in desperation to get closure from Honeyfern's death/her sister's approval and reassurance, even if the likelihood of actually contacting Honeyfern was almost nonexistent. Twigbranch was just being nosy and knew it was wrong, but she did it, anyway, which is why I think it was a much bigger deal, because she doesn't understand boundaries and just does whatever. Even Alderheart got upset and thought she had gone too far by doing that. And yet, running away to find SkyClan on her own, thus putting herself at risk of getting lost and dying isn't going too far. I know the Moonpool is sacred, but come on! Twigpaw overstepped her boundaries long ago. I actually found it interesting that, considering he's her #1 supporter and excuses everything she does, this was what upset him. It was brushed off later, but for me, I thought it shows how far she went and how disrespectful that was. I know respect from the Clans toward medicine cats is almost nonexistent now, but there are some things you just don't do. And yet she was praised for stuff like this in her naming ceremony! I actually thought of the only other case, which was Jayfeather in TSi. But I give that leeway, too (begrudgingly...you all know how much I hate him pfft--) 'cause that's what pushed him to accept his destiny. He was also desperate after the battle and seeking reassurance about his destiny as a warrior. Twigbranch has no such excuse. |
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Post by Pixie on May 4, 2018 23:29:40 GMT -5
And yet, running away to find SkyClan on her own, thus putting herself at risk of getting lost and dying isn't going too far. I know the Moonpool is sacred, but come on! Twigpaw overstepped her boundaries long ago. I actually found it interesting that, considering he's her #1 supporter and excuses everything she does, this was what upset him. It was brushed off later, but for me, I thought it shows how far she went and how disrespectful that was. I know respect from the Clans toward medicine cats is almost nonexistent now, but there are some things you just don't do. And yet she was praised for stuff like this in her naming ceremony! I actually thought of the only other case, which was Jayfeather in TSi. But I give that leeway, too (begrudgingly...you all know how much I hate him pfft--) 'cause that's what pushed him to accept his destiny. He was also desperate after the battle and seeking reassurance about his destiny as a warrior. Twigbranch has no such excuse. Alderheart never knew that she went to the moonpool. He thought she stepped too far when she visited SkyClan to see her sister. |
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Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on May 5, 2018 6:33:19 GMT -5
I actually found it interesting that, considering he's her #1 supporter and excuses everything she does, this was what upset him. It was brushed off later, but for me, I thought it shows how far she went and how disrespectful that was. I know respect from the Clans toward medicine cats is almost nonexistent now, but there are some things you just don't do. And yet she was praised for stuff like this in her naming ceremony! I actually thought of the only other case, which was Jayfeather in TSi. But I give that leeway, too (begrudgingly...you all know how much I hate him pfft--) 'cause that's what pushed him to accept his destiny. He was also desperate after the battle and seeking reassurance about his destiny as a warrior. Twigbranch has no such excuse. Alderheart never knew that she went to the moonpool. He thought she stepped too far when she visited SkyClan to see her sister. Ah, mixed events! My bad. The events somehow blurred together, and I'm running on no sleep for 2 days ugh. Not sure if that makes it better or worse. Hm... |
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Post by wheeledwarrior on May 5, 2018 9:33:50 GMT -5
And this is not the first time a cat has gone without permission ( thinking of Poppyfrost). And that time they actually did manage to communicate, or rather, the cat in question communicated through Jayfeather. I don't think such a big deal was made then. I give Poppyfrost leeway because that was done in desperation to get closure from Honeyfern's death/her sister's approval and reassurance, even if the likelihood of actually contacting Honeyfern was almost nonexistent. Twigbranch was just being nosy and knew it was wrong, but she did it, anyway, which is why I think it was a much bigger deal, because she doesn't understand boundaries and just does whatever. Even Alderheart got upset and thought she had gone too far by doing that. The thing is that Poppyfrost still shouldn't have done that, and it was still wrong. Even though she had a better reason, it still doesn't excuse that that goes against the rules either way… So she should have been called on it just like Twigbranch, but was not… That's the annoying thing… I think Poppyfrost’s case was actually slightly worse, because she was older and since she had stayed in one Clan her entire life instead of being unstable, she would've known boundaries fairly well… I'm not trying to defend Twigbranch at all, by the way she's treated compared to that incident almost feels like hypocrisy on the part of the authors… That's why I'm wondering if the line about not belonging means something else, because Honeyfern could have easily said something to that effect earlier on in the series, but did not… |
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Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on May 5, 2018 17:24:32 GMT -5
I give Poppyfrost leeway because that was done in desperation to get closure from Honeyfern's death/her sister's approval and reassurance, even if the likelihood of actually contacting Honeyfern was almost nonexistent. Twigbranch was just being nosy and knew it was wrong, but she did it, anyway, which is why I think it was a much bigger deal, because she doesn't understand boundaries and just does whatever. Even Alderheart got upset and thought she had gone too far by doing that. The thing is that Poppyfrost still shouldn't have done that, and it was still wrong. Even though she had a better reason, it still doesn't excuse that that goes against the rules either way… So she should have been called on it just like Twigbranch, but was not… That's the annoying thing… I think Poppyfrost’s case was actually slightly worse, because she was older and since she had stayed in one Clan her entire life instead of being unstable, she would've known boundaries fairly well… I'm not trying to defend Twigbranch at all, by the way she's treated compared to that incident almost feels like hypocrisy on the part of the authors… That's why I'm wondering if the line about not belonging means something else, because Honeyfern could have easily said something to that effect earlier on in the series, but did not… That's true, although I also draw on Poppyfrost regretting it. She felt awful, especially since Jayfeather went after her, and then they were attacked by Breezepelt. She was falling over herself with regret and was distraught. I also kinda blamed hormones on why she left lol ...which is flimsy, I admit, since I don't think we've seen any changes in hormonal behavior in queens before. Meanwhile, Twigbranch just does things purely because she wants to. Every time, she doesn't seem to learn much afterward, either. She felt guilty for a split second, if I remember correctly, because she knew it was wrong, but she does stuff like this all the time -- that's why I'm harsher on her. Upbringing or not, there's a line somewhere, and she knows boundaries, too. She just ignores them repeatedly. We can't forget that she's a grownup now as well and was way over the age of becoming a warrior and yet kept complaining about how others were holding back her warrior ceremony, despite repeatedly showing immaturity and lack of understanding where lines are. That attitude makes it worse for me, opposed to Poppyfrost's case! |
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