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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 12:11:30 GMT -5
I don't know if we're still adding spoilers but anyways..
So how do you feel about Clan Hopping in AVOS? Do you think the cats like Dovewing and Twigbranch handled it right? Should Finpaw have stayed in his own clan?
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Post by Jaysnow on May 3, 2018 12:14:28 GMT -5
Spoilers still probably, it's not even a month old yet.
It's annoying, honestly. And I don't like how Finleap left his fam over a girl.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on May 3, 2018 12:56:16 GMT -5
I think Fin and Twig should od stayed I. Skyclan.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 3, 2018 12:57:43 GMT -5
Twigbranch and Dovewing at least made their decision in the end. Twigbranch to stay with Thunderclan, and Dovewing to stay in Shadowclan. Do I think it's annoying? Yeah, who wouldn't? Violetshine switched allegiences alot as well, possibly more than Twigbranch did. But if the sisters are happy where they are, then they stay.
And I don't even like Dove all that much, but if she's done hopping, then it's all good. I like Twigbranch's development. I like how she realized family didn't always mean blood, and that Thunderclan was truly the place she belonged.
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Post by Amberfoot on May 3, 2018 13:24:44 GMT -5
Both Fin and Twig should have stayed in SkyClan. I think its understandable that Fin might not have been able to do the whole tree climbing thing with his tail, but still. I didn't like how Twig left Violet and Hawk. That was confusing to me and kind of sad, really.
I don't like Dovewing anymore, I honestly liked her as Dovepaw but then something happened and she became bleh. I really would hope that she finds out ShadowClan was a mistake and "breaks" up with Tigerstar, but I doubt they'd make anything interesting happen.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 3, 2018 13:26:17 GMT -5
*steps out of cat fandom controversy hell*
Did you summon me?
Srs, the clan hopping is annoying. I've literally had it up to here with it, no more, please.
Imo Violetshine doesn't get any stick from the fandom, and she shouldn't because her clan hopping imo is justified. She was in an abusive relationship and was tossed around from one cat to the next, she never got to make her own choices. The one time she does though she still ends up with the cats that abused her, and almost killed her, she never found a truly good place where she could call home until she found her father and SkyClan, something she never had hope for in the first place.
On the other hand Twigpaw, not so much, I actually liked her more of the two in the beginning, but her excuses have been grinding my gears the last book or so. Violetshine was being forced to choose between a group of rogues and a cat that raised her and the dying clan she had allegiance to before, considering the circumstances, aka Darktail and Rowanstar, it makes sense. Cause again she never really had much of a choice especially when most of this happened for her at a very considerably young age. Twigpaw, has been old enough to know wrong from right for a while now, and she should have gotten her warrior name ages ago. I don't like that Twig's character went from being obsessed with finding her family and SkyClan, to okay yeah I don't like it here so I'm going back to the clan that had me first.
I found that annoying. Even more so because of the times she chose to do this. I excused it the first time, she was supposed to be assessed to become a warrior, but hey she found her family and went with them, makes sense. But then she decides to leave her family, right around the time she was supposed to become a warrior, again and goes back to ThunderClan, abandoning her family, and then Finpaw, some random tom trails after her. I absolutely hate that such a young cat decided to run away from home and join another clan for a girl??
I'm praising Sparkpelt for calling out Twigpaw for her actions because she's been so carefree of everything, I guess she's kinda spoiled. So when Sparkpelt gave her a reality check, I felt that it was well deserved and long overdue. She was right, she couldn't just keep hopping clans to convenience herself when she wanted to. I think it also annoyed me when she thought the clan would take her back all willy nilly and happy, and everything is back to how it is, and that she'd become a warrior, just like that. No honey. That's not how it works. Honestly, Twigpaw really needs to learn about loyalty more. Violetshine reconnected with her family, something she didn't expect but stayed with them. But then Twigpaw, who wanted to reconnect with her family from the start decided to up and leave because she liked TC more. I don't blame Violetshine for being upset at her sister at this point, and I highly doubt Twig has it in her to possibly fight her one day.
The only reason I don't downright dislike Twigpaw, despite her ungodly horrible warrior name, is because she's still young. She still has a chance to improve.
On the other hand, Dovewing has no real excuse here. I figured she'd hop clans at some point, despite only doing it once in comparison to Twig. But the way it's executed int THS makes me roll my eyes. That's something I've ranted on too many times before and I'm not in the mood again lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 14:34:07 GMT -5
All the Clan hopping is starting to cheese me off, to be frank.
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Post by Amberfoot on May 3, 2018 15:11:35 GMT -5
All the Clan hopping is starting to cheese me off, to be frank. I mean, they made it seem like it was a really bad thing back in the first arc. I know when Graystripe did it, it was for the sake of his children and being the only living parent to them, which makes sense. But it still didn't work and he went back to ThunderClan eventually. Now I feel like its not "special" anymore. Its happening all the time and it isn't as big of a deal. I mean, do these cats realize that if they've switched clans, they might get into deadly fights with their relatives?? Like Dovewing could be pitted against her sister or her parents at some point, or Twigbranch/Finleap could be pinned against their parents, siblings, etc. It just isn't realistic that that would never ever come up. I mean, that was the real reason Graystripe couldn't live in RiverClan.
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Post by Pixie on May 3, 2018 17:32:27 GMT -5
I don't think Twigbranch rejoined ThunderClan just because she "liked" it more. At some points, she didn't even feel like she belonged. Kin has been shown to be important in this series. Fireheart was happy when Cloudkit joined ThunderClan because he was kin and even got into an argument with Sandstorm at one point because of it. Graystripe left his birth Clan for his kits. Squirrelflight would do anything for Leafpool because of that deep connection a lot of siblings hold. Hawkfrost wanted to impress his father. One of the bigger subplots in BrS was the sibling bond with Bramblestar and Tawnypelt. I also strongly believe that Hawkwing loved his children even though he didn't get to know them until later on. Twigbranch loved her dead, unknown mother and her sister who lived elsewhere and was a jerk to her.
It wasn't an easy choice for Twigbranch is what I'm trying to say, especially since Twigbranch is more family-oriented than most. It makes Twigbranch seem more complex knowing that she longed for the foster Clan that raised her.
Finleap's reasons don't go as deep as Twigbranch's. He left his birth Clan over a girl and that does make me shake my head. However, I do like him and thought of his admiration for ThunderClan as a push. He's so enthusiastic that I can't get over how puppy-like his character is. While I don't completely understand him, he's fun to read about.
Violetshine was all about Needletail and in fact, it was better for her that Needletail died because she would never have realized that SkyClan was out there for her. An interesting thing or at least I think so: Violetshine needed her blood family more than Twigbranch did which I guess would come to no surprise knowing the things that Violetshine's endured.
Dovewing, however, I imagine, suffered a depression and didn't know what to do with herself. Tigerheart suddenly was back in her life and she felt contentment at his side. I don't mind Tigerheart and Dovewing's relationship. If they make each other happy, so be it. While I don't think ShadowClan suits Dovewing, like, at all, I'm glad she made a choice. She chose her children and mate and I can only wonder where things will go from now on.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 3, 2018 17:49:44 GMT -5
Hmm....that's a nice way of putting your thoughts Egg. It felt really nice and genuine to read, and gave me a different perspective on some things.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on May 3, 2018 17:57:33 GMT -5
I don't mind if it's done within reason (Graystripe wanting to father his kits, Windflight’s parents, Tawnypaw deciding to escape the pressure of being constantly judged in her birth Clan). However, if it's done for a petty reason, or not done correctly, then it feels annoying. For example, Dovewing’s might have made more sense if she had been more mature about it (e.g. consulting Daisy or Graystripe, instead of just running away, realizing what she was doing to her family, or even trying to form a relationship with Bumblestripe and failing, which would have given the readers more reason to believe she was making the correct choice). Instead, she just runs away, and that's that. Twigbranch’s was also badly timed, because if she was having problems in Skyclan she should have left sooner, instead of learning their ways and almost becoming a warrior before doing it. Not to mention it caused Finleap’s family grief as well…
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