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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 30, 2018 13:29:22 GMT -5
I usually don't mind this phrase, and I've used it before, but I don't think it's right that people try to use it to invalidate how others feel about certain subjects. For example the Spottedleaf and Thistleclaw arguments, or age gaps in general. I ship some pairings with minor generation gaps, Squirrel and Bramble for example at one point. But I'm not big on pairings like Leopardfoot x Pinestar, or Thornclaw x Blossomfall, I just don't make a big deal about it. But I don't think people should try and use phrases, "they're just fictional cats" or "they're just cats" as to why others shouldn't feel a certain way. You can use it for your own means and feelings, but you shouldn't force such a thing on others, or expect them to feel the same way about certain things. That's just my opinion on the matter though, I'm sure others have different ones. There are some things in warriors I'm not comfortable with, yeah, but I usually try to avoid it generally.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 30, 2018 13:31:08 GMT -5
It applies to some cases, not others. They are basically furry little humans and we should hold them accountable for as such. But for example, about the "cousins dating" thing. It's not that big a deal in my opinion because they are only cats and it's not like the kits will have birth defects or anything like that and they can't breed with cats outside the Clan anyway.
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Post by Darkfang ☾ on Apr 30, 2018 13:41:16 GMT -5
It applies to some cases, not others. They are basically furry little humans and we should hold them accountable for as such. But for example, about the "cousins dating" thing. It's not that big a deal in my opinion because they are only cats and it's not like the kits will have birth defects or anything like that and they can't breed with cats outside the Clan anyway. Agree with this. They're portrayed in the series almost like humans and experience human emotions and behave like humans (like having mates when cats don't tent do have mates and just mate with whoever). But I also don't mind the cousin thing mostly because of the small gene pool I guess, it just doesn't seem like much of a big deal. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 30, 2018 13:44:01 GMT -5
I agree with you on the cousin problem, incest in the clans is pretty unavoidable, they'd have to cross with many other clans and even outside cats a lot to avoid something like that, which goes severely against their own beliefs and customs. I think as long as the Erins don't do inner circle incest, basically aunt/uncle x niece/nephew and siblings or parent x child, it's fine. I tolerate the uncle and aunt ones to a degree, but I find it uncomfortable, which is why I'm not big on pairings like Dust x Fern or Squirrel x Ash, etc.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 30, 2018 13:45:52 GMT -5
I agree with you on the cousin problem, incest in the clans is pretty unavoidable, they'd have to cross with many other clans and even outside cats a lot to avoid something like that, which goes severely against their own beliefs and customs. I think as long as the Erins don't do inner circle incest, basically aunt/uncle x niece/nephew and siblings or parent x child, it's fine. I tolerate the uncle and aunt ones to a degree, but I find it uncomfortable, which is why I'm not big on pairings like Dust x Fern or Squirrel x Ash, etc. I don't tolerate Squirrel x Ash for a completely different reason LOL. But fair enough on the Dust x Fern thing. I personally don't really mind it, but I can see why it bothers others. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 30, 2018 13:49:24 GMT -5
I agree with you on the cousin problem, incest in the clans is pretty unavoidable, they'd have to cross with many other clans and even outside cats a lot to avoid something like that, which goes severely against their own beliefs and customs. I think as long as the Erins don't do inner circle incest, basically aunt/uncle x niece/nephew and siblings or parent x child, it's fine. I tolerate the uncle and aunt ones to a degree, but I find it uncomfortable, which is why I'm not big on pairings like Dust x Fern or Squirrel x Ash, etc. I don't tolerate Squirrel x Ash for a completely different reason LOL. But fair enough on the Dust x Fern thing. I personally don't really mind it, but I can see why it bothers others. I think a lot of people forget that he's her half-uncle, pft. I oddly enough still like Ashfur as a character but when taking is actions in consideration, I don't condone them nor support them in any way. I also side with Squirrelflight a lot when it comes to sides over the entire situation. I think Ashfur is an interesting and complex character, but I think it's understandable that a lot of people hate him, especially for how abusive he was. With Dust and Fern I just don't think about them much, it's kinda a thing that happened way way back in the first series, so it's kinda too late to go back and rescript what ever problems are in there, including Gray's parents.. |
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 30, 2018 13:52:08 GMT -5
I don't tolerate Squirrel x Ash for a completely different reason LOL. But fair enough on the Dust x Fern thing. I personally don't really mind it, but I can see why it bothers others. I think a lot of people forget that he's her half-uncle, pft. I oddly enough still like Ashfur as a character but when taking is actions in consideration, I don't condone them nor support them in any way. I also side with Squirrelflight a lot when it comes to sides over the entire situation. I think Ashfur is an interesting and complex character, but I think it's understandable that a lot of people hate him, especially for how abusive he was. With Dust and Fern I just don't think about them much, it's kinda a thing that happened way way back in the first series, so it's kinda too late to go back and rescript what ever problems are in there, including Gray's parents.. Again, good point about Ashfur. I just personally hate him with a burning passion that I can't appreciate other things about his character. Poor Graystripe. Whenever I think about his parents..... *shudder* |
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 30, 2018 22:46:31 GMT -5
For me, it's not that I dismiss how other's feel when using that argument or explanation, it's just I'd be too uncomfortable with a lot of things in the series if I thought of them as humans in cat bodies. Like the incest and age gaps. It's easier for me to normalise them if I think, 'well they are cats'. Still I can recognise they aren't just cats, they have their own societies, have one mate (usually), both parents are expected to raise and be invested in the kits, they have a health system of sorts, and cheating can be an issue.
I don't think that argument should ever be used to tell other people how they feel.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Apr 30, 2018 22:55:38 GMT -5
I mean, a lot of the actual parentages, especially for the earlier books were not even known and were never revealed in the actual books, so things like Fern and Dust being uncle and niece didn't really affect anything for me.
As for pairings like ThronXBlossom, they are both consenting adults at that point, so it's not really a big deal. Although I am not a huge fan of PineXLeopard because the age gap is far more profound than ThornXBlossom (He was on his 8th or 9th life when she was a kit) and Pinestar ended up abandoning her in the end.
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