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Post by chimken nugget on Apr 25, 2018 4:36:50 GMT -5
Pick one cat who you think is the best mate for Graystripe! 
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 25, 2018 9:12:29 GMT -5
Silverstream. I was thinking about this the other day, and I truly do believe Graystripe and Silverstream are the best out of any other possible pairings. They didn't care about what other cats thought about them, they only cared about each other. They were so happy to have kits too, and knew they'd be tied together forever. Even when Gray met Millie, he kept talking about Silver this, Silver that. And she still visited him in his dreams, she watched over him, and she still loved him. She even loved any extension of him, like his second litter with Millie, and loved them like her own. Their own kits were amazing, Stormfur is one of the heroes that discovered a new territory, and Feathertail is a known hero that saved the tribe and her friends with a noble sacrifice. Silverstream loved Graystripe more than the river and was even implied to want to live with him in ThunderClan, while Graystripe was willing to move to RiverClan for his kits, and because of his love for Silverstream. I feel that if Silver had lived, these two would be inseparable and happy together. And as of the Last Hope, its confirmed, yet again, that they still deeply love one another, and that Gray desperately wants to be with her, while Silverstream is waiting for him in StarClan. Their story may not be in the forefront but it was certainly very nice, and imo the only forbidden pairing I don't actually have an issue with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 11:17:54 GMT -5
At least Millie actually lives.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 25, 2018 11:54:15 GMT -5
Millie in the manga > Millie in the books.
Millie and Graystripe in the manga have WAY more development than GrayxSilver ever had, and for GrayxMillie, their development feels more natural.
GrayxSilver: *meets once. next time we see them, they are supposedly dating*
GrayxMillie: *become friends via mutual love for clan life; go on journey together; get into lots of arguments; end up learning to trust one another again; become mates*
granted, graystripe wasnt the main character, so we couldnt have seen grayxsilver's development, but firestar/fireheart didn't notice anything wrong with him right away. and if graystripe didnt wanna hide it, he could have shown his uncertainty of meeting silverstream to fireheart, and fireheart could have told him no, thus resulting in the same dispute that happaned in the books between them.
Book Millie is okay, but they kinda made her boring...MANGA MILLIE WOULD NEVER!
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 25, 2018 12:11:59 GMT -5
While I liked SilverGrey more, I find MillieGrey to be the more understandable one. Although, I'm a hopeless Polyshipper, so if I get SilverGreyMillie in Starclan, I'll be so freakin happy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 12:13:51 GMT -5
But doesnt Gray/Fire actually have a fanfic that was written by one of the erins?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 25, 2018 12:29:36 GMT -5
But doesnt Gray/Fire actually have a fanfic that was written by one of the erins? I don't believe so? The Erins also said that Gray would choose Silver over Millie in StarClan, but personally, I don't mind poly. I think Millie was okay in the manga, but Millie in the books is atrociously gross. (Also her relationship with Gray feels so one-sided half the time.) |
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Post by WhispersintheMist on Apr 25, 2018 12:34:16 GMT -5
Silverstream. I feel like that affection was genuine and came from both sides, and I love Silver's character. Plus Millie's attitude is so annoying in the books, though I guess she was okay in the manga.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 12:59:09 GMT -5
But doesnt Gray/Fire actually have a fanfic that was written by one of the erins? I don't believe so? The Erins also said that Gray would choose Silver over Millie in StarClan, but personally, I don't mind poly. I think Millie was okay in the manga, but Millie in the books is atrociously gross. (Also her relationship with Gray feels so one-sided half the time.) No. im saying. there is a fanfic. and it exists. and one of them wrote it. I just dont remember who, where it is, and i know its not canon. But i know for 100% sure it exists. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 25, 2018 13:00:55 GMT -5
Millie. Their relationship had more time to grow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 13:16:19 GMT -5
Millie. Their relationship had more time to grow. Mothballs how dare you, i thought you had better taste than this. this is a betrayal of our friendship and i want a divorce. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 13:19:05 GMT -5
Yeah thats it. It always seemed super gay and i cried. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 25, 2018 14:43:53 GMT -5
idk why people prefer grayxsilver. it's an immature teenage love that was rushed like romeo and juliet, it even ended with someone dying. sure, their romance is a whirlwind and some people like that outlandish outgoing romance, but grayxmillie is more grounded in reality. they had time to grow like 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said. and even though i think graystripe takes millie for granted because of how he acted towards silverstream in the last hope.....i still think their relationship is better. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 25, 2018 14:51:55 GMT -5
But doesnt Gray/Fire actually have a fanfic that was written by one of the erins? I don't believe so? The Erins also said that Gray would choose Silver over Millie in StarClan, but personally, I don't mind poly. I think Millie was okay in the manga, but Millie in the books is atrociously gross. (Also her relationship with Gray feels so one-sided half the time.) Well, Kate actually said that she believes he'll choose Silverstream in StarClan. That's not really a confirmation. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this did happen, considering Kate was the one also thought Crowfeather would be with Feathertail in StarClan because "first love always wins." Personally, I don't see why he can't be with both; Silverstream was his first love, but he's had more time to form a healthy relationship with Millie without having to hide his love for her. They're both special to him. But overall, I actually don't really care either way so long as all three are happy. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 25, 2018 15:03:00 GMT -5
idk why people prefer grayxsilver. it's an immature teenage love that was rushed like romeo and juliet, it even ended with someone dying. sure, their romance is a whirlwind and some people like that outlandish outgoing romance, but grayxmillie is more grounded in reality. they had time to grow like 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said. and even though i think graystripe takes millie for granted because of how he acted towards silverstream in the last hope.....i still think their relationship is better. Well to be fair, that was the point of Romeo and Juliet, and the same seems to go for GrayxSilver, seeing as how it's the first actual forbidden romance we get in the series (FirexSpotted doesn't count, because it never actually went anywhere). It works from a story perspective if you look at it in that way, but beyond that? Yeah, I thought it was pretty stupid. There's a reason why I'm still neutral on Graystripe to this day. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 25, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -5
idk why people prefer grayxsilver. it's an immature teenage love that was rushed like romeo and juliet, it even ended with someone dying. sure, their romance is a whirlwind and some people like that outlandish outgoing romance, but grayxmillie is more grounded in reality. they had time to grow like 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said. and even though i think graystripe takes millie for granted because of how he acted towards silverstream in the last hope.....i still think their relationship is better. Well to be fair, that was the point of Romeo and Juliet, and the same seems to go for GrayxSilver, seeing as how it's the first actual forbidden romance we get in the series (FirexSpotted doesn't count, because it never actually went anywhere). It works from a story perspective if you look at it in that way, but beyond that? Yeah, I thought it was pretty stupid. There's a reason why I'm still neutral on Graystripe to this day. i kinda dislike graystripe now because in the last hope, he was kinda rude to millie when he went to silverstream and acted like the immature brat he used to be....it's like silverstream just has this power to turn him into an immature brat |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 25, 2018 15:20:08 GMT -5
Well to be fair, that was the point of Romeo and Juliet, and the same seems to go for GrayxSilver, seeing as how it's the first actual forbidden romance we get in the series (FirexSpotted doesn't count, because it never actually went anywhere). It works from a story perspective if you look at it in that way, but beyond that? Yeah, I thought it was pretty stupid. There's a reason why I'm still neutral on Graystripe to this day. i kinda dislike graystripe now because in the last hope, he was kinda rude to millie when he went to silverstream and acted like the immature brat he used to be....it's like silverstream just has this power to turn him into an immature brat Which is interesting, considering Silverstream actually seemed to be the more mature one in the relationship, at least to a certain extent. For instance, whereas Graystripe couldn't hurt a single RiverClan cat in F&I, Silverstream had no problem fighting ThunderClan; she only stopped attacking because Graystripe begged her to stop. She also seemed to have a bit more self-control than him when it came to them being around each other in public, but that's not saying much considering both she and Graystripe didn't seem to think of the consequences. But yeah, I can see what you mean by being bothered by that TLH scene. It just seems so wrong, especially when Graystripe and Millie are still mates. And even if she meant something else (which I sort of doubt), it didn't need to be worded like that. Honestly, if I had it my way, Silverstream would be more of her own character and take a cat from her own Clan as a mate, and Graystripe and Millie would just be best friends forever. As for his mate, it'd be Firestar, with Sandstorm as a surrogate for their kits. |
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 25, 2018 15:48:22 GMT -5
I will always, ALWAYS choose Millie as the better mate for him, because when it comes to canon couples in these books, I look for two things: Good Development (This can be done in multiple ways, as "Good development" can vary on the characters involved, but still same general idea), and Longevity. And GrayMillie has both. Yeah thats it. It always seemed super gay and i cried. Oh YEAH I remember rereading that a few months ago! I cried too. It was such a super sweet little fic. (Those two are so totally gay for eachother sorry but it's true)Gosh I wish Kate did more small fics like that some time in the future, because I really enjoyed that one, and it was a pleasure seeing her share her ideas with her fans in her own writing without, ya know, editors messing with it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 16:46:15 GMT -5
But doesnt Gray/Fire actually have a fanfic that was written by one of the erins? i once made a thread about that and the arrival of the "no fictional cat of mine gonna be gay" people... record time. it took like 5 minutes lmao anyway when it comes to silver versus millie... millie because with silver i always saw it as two dumb hormone-filled young adults infatuated with each other and taking things a step too far (ala romeo and juliet). millie and graystripe seems more long-lasting and developed imo |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 25, 2018 18:01:51 GMT -5
Honestly Gray and Millie just should have stayed friends imo. Heck, Millie should have stayed a kittpet for all I care. I actually had no problem with Gray moving on, and even getting a new mate, because again, Millie in the manga was tolerable. But in the books, she's just a horrible mother, insensitive mate, and a downgrade compared to Silverstream. We may not have seen more of Gray and Silver, but that's only because it wasn't Gray's POV in the first series, it was Firestar's. But Gray got his own spin-off in the manga and was the MC, hence why he and Millie have more screentime. But Screentime =/= Development, and that's from experience from Naruto *gags*. Just because they have developed, doesn't mean it's good, and just because they have screen time doens't mean they're getting the development they need. In only a book or so the Erins made a couple that was cemented in the majority of fans and their hearts. Whereas Gray and Millie had something similar going for them too, once the relationship enters the realms of the book, aka Millie finally getting into that Clan life, things went downhill from there. Millie is molded into a neglectful ableist mother, who is also insensitive about Gray and his Clan's faith in StarClan, while disrespecting their medical religious figures as well, aka Jayfeather. Yes people can excuse that she was a kittypet, she's not used to Clan life. But the whole point of her and Gray's time in the manga was to prepare her for all this, she knew the price and still went. And paddled after a tom that would look away from her in favor of his first love in a heartbeat. Gray and Millie's relationship molded into something so ugly in the fandom, and Millie has become one of the most hated characters, especially parent wise, that it just makes Silver x Gray look like the way better option. And it is.
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