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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 16:14:54 GMT -5
Why do they honor this mass-murdering traitor who almost destroyed the forest? When you know- there are actually others cats who deserve it much more? Let's see: Bramblepaw, a cat who has the bad luck of looking exactly like his father and desperately wants to escape his shadow and become his own person. So what do they do? Name him 'Brambleclaw', after his father.  Chosen from Firestar no less, who was Tigerstar's arch enemy. And then it doesn't stop there. Tawnypelt then decided to name her son, 'Tigerkit'. Tawnypelt- what are you doing? Now your son will suffer even more with the burden of being Tigerstar's grandson, being constantly judged/mistrusted. Why Tigerstar? Where's Goldenflower in all of this, she deserves to be named after, not your murderous father. She even has a pale cream tabby daughter, all set to be named: Gold(en)kit. Maybe you could even name her after Speckletail, your grandmother, who she looks eerily similar to. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 16:25:50 GMT -5
honoring tigerstar
a poem by bad_wcf_poet
they say he was a monster
with the claws and teeth of a hound
they say he was a terror
with trembles that shake the ground
...
yet to them it seems to be common
to honor this cat, evil to the bone
but when the youngsters join his hell cult
the response is "who coulda known?"
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 22, 2018 16:31:04 GMT -5
because that's sort of the culture they have in place. strength is admired. tigerstar was one of them and he did help shadowclan out. he did bad stuff, but they prefer to acknowledge his good sides too
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 22, 2018 17:36:11 GMT -5
This is something really weird in the books, but most of the cats seem to have very short term memory. Thornclaw, for example, was one of the Dark Forest trainees despite having been alive to see Tigerstar's brutality firsthand. Brambleclaw too also did the training, but not only that, he flat out says "Oh, he wasn't that bad" to Lionpaw in one of the most laughable attempts at rewriting history there is.
As for Shadowclan, well, it probably makes sense because Shadowclan loves authoritarian brutes.
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 22, 2018 18:12:48 GMT -5
This is something really weird in the books, but most of the cats seem to have very short term memory. Thornclaw, for example, was one of the Dark Forest trainees despite having been alive to see Tigerstar's brutality firsthand. Brambleclaw too also did the training, but not only that, he flat out says "Oh, he wasn't that bad" to Lionpaw in one of the most laughable attempts at rewriting history there is. As for Shadowclan, well, it probably makes sense because Shadowclan loves authoritarian brutes. I always thought it was somewhere along these lines, including the whole "history is doomed to repeat itself if it's not taught" thing. I can understand it a little more with the younger cats...it's like real life, where some kids learn something bad about history, and they're horrified, but they almost feel removed from it? So I always chalked it up to that for cats like Lionblaze and Ivypool. For cats like Bramblestar and Thornclaw, though, they just plain disgust me lol they witnessed some horrible things and know what Brokenstar (especially in Thornclaw's case! He was born in ITW -- he witnessed legit everything! And Bramblestar had personal experience with Tigerstar himself!) and Tigerstar did. It was such a huge flaw to make it to where Brokenstar and Tigerstar were the transparent leaders of the DF from the start. They should've just kept using Hawkfrost as a smokescreen, since nobody knew he was evil and they were already having him rope cats in slowly by preying on their insecurities in a warm, comforting meadow, then corrupting them into the actual DF...what a missed opportunity for a terrifying reveal that it was actually Brokenstar and Tigerstar orchestrating everything behind the scenes the whole time. |
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Post by foxstride on Apr 22, 2018 18:33:46 GMT -5
I also believe they were honouring his strength. Tawnypelt didn't see the atrocities quite like Brambleclaw though. I'm not sure how much we know of her experience with her father, because while she was friends with FeatherStorm, I don't remember the Bonehill coming up between them and they were seemingly quite friendly before the journey, so it wasn't held against Tawnypelt. She is the one who went to her father, after all, and was likely treated well and apart from his shadow, unlike how ThunderClan treated Bramblepaw.
In giving Bramblepaw the name of 'Brambleclaw', they took back the suffix so to speak and entrusted him to show the strength of his father and even more for the good of ThunderClan. Even Firestar couldn't deny that Tigerclaw was one of the strongest cats of his time, despite his evilness. Bramblepaw demonstrated his loyalty to the Clan and then the Clans, and he proved he was better than his father and just as strong.
Agreed on the strange Brambleclaw trusting Tigerstar after all of that though. A reveal with Hawkfrost pretending to be in charge and then a dramatic Brokenstar-Tigerstar reveal would have been interesting. Or you know. Maybe they could have just not picked Thornclaw of all cats... Did they even give a reason for him being in the DF?
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 22, 2018 19:00:20 GMT -5
I think it’s similar to when Firestar is looking down at Tigerstar’s body in The Darkest Hour after Scourge kills him. He doesn’t feel happiness or even triumph. All he feels is regret because he knows had Tigerstar followed the right path, he could have been a great warrior. He was very strong and an incredible fighter. But since he chose darkness, he chose his own demise.
Firestar gave Bramblestar the claw suffix because he knew Brambleclaw/star could be the warrior his father would have been had he chosen the right path.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 23, 2018 6:51:59 GMT -5
Firestar’s situation was a little different. They had their backs against the wall and were facing a ruthless and powerful enemy, at that point you’d want any help possible
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 23, 2018 8:22:21 GMT -5
I feel like Tawnypelt more so wanted to take back the name from her father, given she was the most vocal against him concerning the Dark Forest.
She was not honoring Tigerstar, she was taking back the name. Blackstar even helps with Tigerheart’s suffix being heart.
(And there is no doubt no one has forgotten Firestar’s warrior name at that point.)
Tigerheart being named for his loyalty to ShadowClan, just as Firestar was.
It’s a nice “Take that!” to Tigerstar as well as reclaiming the Tiger prefix.
(Also off topic, yes. But Tawnypelt’s three have very simple suffixes compared to Lionblaze, Hollyleaf, and Jayfeather.
Tigerheart, Dawnpelt, and Flametail.)
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Chosen from Firestar no less, who was Tigerstar's arch enemy.
