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Post by olivepatch on Apr 22, 2018 16:50:50 GMT -5
ashfur. dear god, ashfur. never have i hated a character as much as him. even when i was like 12 i hated him
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 17:37:34 GMT -5
D a n g I forgot Dovewing  Aw, no, don't add Dovewing in this. She's a good cat at heart and nowhere near as bad as these monsters on the list. She's poorly written but not terrible.  |
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foxstep
loves squirrelflight way too much
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Post by foxstep on Apr 22, 2018 20:30:33 GMT -5
D a n g I forgot Dovewing Aw, no, don't add Dovewing in this. She's a good cat at heart and nowhere near as bad as these monsters on the list. She's poorly written but not terrible.
I know, but her character really annoys me. She may not be evil, but the prophecy made her incredibly self-centered, hypocritical, and at times, really hard to read.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 20:31:29 GMT -5
Aw, no, don't add Dovewing in this. She's a good cat at heart and nowhere near as bad as these monsters on the list. She's poorly written but not terrible.
I know, but her character really annoys me. She may not be evil, but the prophecy made her incredibly self-centered, hypocritical, and at times, really hard to read.
I'm one of the few people who loves her lol. But everyone's opinions are different. |
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Apr 22, 2018 20:52:06 GMT -5
Breezepelt and Ashfur because they were murderers that got away with it for no good reason.
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Post by Smokyyy on Apr 22, 2018 20:54:56 GMT -5
Since they're not here, here are my top 5 least favorite cats: 1. Darktail 2. Needletail 3. Sleekwhisker 4. Palebird 5. Spottedleaf Why Palebird? I'm just generally curious. I mean I don't like her a lot but why her? |
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Post by seastar on Apr 22, 2018 21:01:08 GMT -5
Ashfur is the top, i'm not surprised XD
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Post by seastar on Apr 22, 2018 21:06:39 GMT -5
they're all bad but Ashfur was just pitiful. over a relationship. . wow. Thistleclaw and Breezepelt they went over the top too but the reasons why are a little more understandable. Rainflower i honestly don't remember her that much. Clear Sky I thought he got better over the books. . okay not that much. but i understood him better when they started doing his POV
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 22, 2018 21:08:06 GMT -5
Since they're not here, here are my top 5 least favorite cats: 1. Darktail 2. Needletail 3. Sleekwhisker 4. Palebird 5. Spottedleaf Why Palebird? I'm just generally curious. I mean I don't like her a lot but why her? People say she has postpartum depression, but that's just nonsense. She was rude to Tallstar his whole life even when he'd done nothing wrong and her behavior continued even after she had kits with another tom. When Tallstar came back to WindClan, instead of being act he returned she snapped at him for touching her new kits even though he was the one who saved the kits! If Tallstar hadn't been there, the kits would have been killed by the hawk (i forgot what animal it was exactly). What makes her worse than Rainflower is Rainflower actually had a point in the story. To make Crookedstar feel bad. It was part of the plot, but Tallstar was never effected by Palebird's abuse. He felt bad, but how Sandgorse treated him would have been enough. All Palebird does is make the book really unpleasant to read. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 21:10:51 GMT -5
Why Palebird? I'm just generally curious. I mean I don't like her a lot but why her? People say she has postpartum depression, but that's just nonsense. She was rude to Tallstar his whole life even when he'd done nothing wrong and her behavior continued even after she had kits with another tom. When Tallstar came back to WindClan, instead of being act he returned she snapped at him for touching her new kits even though he was the one who saved the kits! If Tallstar hadn't been there, the kits would have been killed by the hawk (i forgot what animal it was exactly). What makes her worse than Rainflower is Rainflower actually had a point in the story. To make Crookedstar feel bad. It was part of the plot, but Tallstar was never effected by Palebird's abuse. He felt bad, but how Sandgorse treated him would have been enough. All Palebird does is make the book really unpleasant to read. It was actually confirmed by the Erins that she has postpartum depression.. and Palebird wasn't even that bad. She supported her son a few times when he needed her. And she's allowed to move on btw, tbh, I'm not sure why people are hard on cats who move on from their previous mate. There's nothing wrong with being happy as long as it's done right. Palebird is a fine cat. She's not a terrible parent. She just had issues and she's happier now with a new family. I'm sure Sandgorse accepts that as well. |
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 22, 2018 21:18:53 GMT -5
People say she has postpartum depression, but that's just nonsense. She was rude to Tallstar his whole life even when he'd done nothing wrong and her behavior continued even after she had kits with another tom. When Tallstar came back to WindClan, instead of being act he returned she snapped at him for touching her new kits even though he was the one who saved the kits! If Tallstar hadn't been there, the kits would have been killed by the hawk (i forgot what animal it was exactly). What makes her worse than Rainflower is Rainflower actually had a point in the story. To make Crookedstar feel bad. It was part of the plot, but Tallstar was never effected by Palebird's abuse. He felt bad, but how Sandgorse treated him would have been enough. All Palebird does is make the book really unpleasant to read. It was actually confirmed by the Erins that she has postpartum depression.. and Palebird wasn't even that bad. She supported her son a few times when he needed her. And she's allowed to move on btw, tbh, I'm not sure why people are hard on cats who move on from their previous mate. There's nothing wrong with being happy as long as it's done right. Palebird is a fine cat. She's not a terrible parent. She just had issues and she's happier now with a new family. I'm sure Sandgorse accepts that as well. To be absolutely clear. I'm not mad at her for moving on. I only mentioned it because it shows she DOESN'T have postpartum depression. No matter what the authors say, they clearly did not depict it correctly! When you feel good enough to have more children very clearly you're not depressed anymore, but she still threats Tallstar VERY poorly for no reason. |
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Post by foxstep on Apr 22, 2018 21:24:42 GMT -5
Okay, now for my reasoning.
1. Ashfur was okay at the start, but then he turned into a straightup psychopath. He just can't be told
no and frankly, for a cat who would act like that, I don't think he was truly good from the start.
Squirrelflight did not lead him on. She didn't imply they were on the way to being mates for a second.
Yes, she considered him, but she never acted on it. Especially when she realized (rather quickly) that
he wasn't the one for her. He even made Brambleclaw look bad on various occasions, tried to kill
Lionblaze, and finally tried to kill them all. Not just that, but reveal the secret at the expense of his
Clan's reputation. He never saw himself in the wrong, which is why he went to StarClan, but
honestly, cats like him deserve the Dark Forest.
2. Thistleclaw was not a much hated cat before Spottedleaf's Heart. Now, I understand, ****philia
has happened in the books many times. Cats just don't care about age gap, I guess. As long as they're
in the same rank, it's okay. But this was the first time we saw the ****philic nature, which was purely
horrific. I also find his bloodlust seriously creepy. Spottedleaf was a strong she-cat, so she got through
this, but what if it was someone else? That would've been really scary. For this, I hate Thistleclaw.
3. I agree that Breezepelt was neglected. He grew up in a hostile environment, and was raised in hate
and unknown lies. His mother badmouthed his father and wanted her son to hate his own father. His
father seriously neglected him. I see where he was going, how he wanted to prove himself. Yes, he was
arrogant and so annoying, but he was understandable. Then he turned evil, cold, and manipulative.
He was a warrior by them. He had a choice! He could leave his family behind and be great. But no,
he clung onto the past and he wanted to punish innocent cats for his father's mistakes. The only good
thing about him was his love for his mother. I can't wait to see him as a father in Crowfeather's Trial.
I still hate him, but I am overall interested in his character.
4. Rainflower? Oh please, she's sick to the core. She may not be evil, but her judgment is horrible. She
is a straight up bad mother. Who would hate their kit for how they look? Who would go out of their
way to make a disabled person feel unwelcome? Because if the latter is sick, imagine that being your
own child? It would be more realistic if Crookedstar was traumatized by her and it would hit harder,
but I guess his father and brother were enough for him.
5. Clear Sky...his actions are wrong in so many ways. He turned selfish, he turned tyrannic, he
disrupted the peace, and all he wanted was power and loyalty. He learned from his mistakes but he
will always be selfish, sick in the head, and an awful leader. He turns away his son because "oh he's
still mourning his mate," then when Gray Wing is pretty much a father to Thunder, he steals him
away again. It doesn't take long for him to stop caring about Thunder again. He also stole the cat that
his son wanted for a mate. How disgusting is that? He even had kits with her! His Clan was also in
turmoil many times but he just watched from his throne with Star Flower by his side. So disgusting.
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foxstep
loves squirrelflight way too much
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Post by foxstep on Apr 22, 2018 21:29:14 GMT -5
It was actually confirmed by the Erins that she has postpartum depression.. and Palebird wasn't even that bad. She supported her son a few times when he needed her. And she's allowed to move on btw, tbh, I'm not sure why people are hard on cats who move on from their previous mate. There's nothing wrong with being happy as long as it's done right. Palebird is a fine cat. She's not a terrible parent. She just had issues and she's happier now with a new family. I'm sure Sandgorse accepts that as well. To be absolutely clear. I'm not mad at her for moving on. I only mentioned it because it shows she DOESN'T have postpartum depression. No matter what the authors say, they clearly did not depict it correctly! When you feel good enough to have more children very clearly you're not depressed anymore, but she still threats Tallstar VERY poorly for no reason.
Palebird kind of annoyed me from time to time but I never disliked her. Maybe the reason why she was so protective over her new kits was because of what happened to Finchkit. She always loved Tallstar and he would always be her kit. She even gave him a life in StarClan and was described to be brimming with love and affection. She had issues but it wasn't her fault. Overall, she was a good cat and if not for her depression, she would've been a great mom.
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 22, 2018 21:33:34 GMT -5
foxstep like I said before. The scene where Tallstar returns. He saved her kits and she didn't show a kit of gratitude. Her depression was not an excuse at that point. She had NEW kits she WASN'T depressed. Idk how to make it more clear
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