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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 17, 2018 22:00:10 GMT -5
I know I am going to get a lot of heat for this, but someone has to say it. Tigerheart was the right choice for leader. Let me explain why.
1. He is young and healthy. What ShadowClan needs more than anything right now is stability. A young leader who is going to be around awhile will greatly help to stabilize things. The last thing they need is to have another shift in leadership during this critical period.
2. He has developed leadership skills. Prior to TS, he had very little exposure to leadership. He really was only deputy for a couple of moons before ShadowClan fell to Darktail. Then he had nothing more than a title while living with ThunderClan. This development came while he lived with the Guardians. He organized the cats against several threats. He dealt with dissent in a calm and collected manner. He rallied the cats when all hope seemed lost and helped them defend their home. He was finally ready to step out of Rowanstar's shadow and lead properly once he returned.
3. He is well respected by his Clanmates. While he doesn't have direct control of this, it is very important nonetheless. Lack of respect for their leader is why ShadowClan fell in the first place. If Rowanstar's replacement didn't get the necessary respect, ShadowClan was doomed to fall again.
4. He is tolerant and forgiving. This is the single most important factor. Getting angry with his Clanmates and punishing them for their misdeeds will not solve anything. Forgiving them will, as long as they ask for forgiveness. By being away from his Clan for awhile, he was able to take a step back and analyze the situation almost like a third party. This prevented him from letting his emotions get the better of him and causing even more damage as a result. He is able to make unbiased decisions like a true leader should.
Now I must tackle the elephant in the room. Tawnypelt. I can hear some of you now "but Tawnypelt is so much more suited to leadership than he is!" Well I agree that Tawnypelt is a very experienced and talent warrior, and has many leadership qualities, I must disagree that she would be better than Tigerheart for one reason: she is unable to forgive her Clanmates. ShadowClan can barely stand on its own as is. If they were to cast out every cat that trusted Darktail, they would be left with one warrior, a medicine cat, and a queen with three kits. And while the knee jerk reaction is to punish and get revenge on them for causing the downfall of ShadowClan, the time for punishment has passed. Forgiveness is the only thing that can truly help ShadowClan. Not pointing the finger at the guilty party. Not starting fights over past transgression. No, forgiveness is ShadowClan's last hope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 22:14:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I honestly agree, even though I feel like I’m swallowing a pill as I say it. But it’s a necessary pill. Character-wise... Tigerheart would normally be my last choice, but things are so incredibly different right now. If Tawnypelt was leader back in the days of Blackstar, I’d be all for her. But the new reconstructing ShadowClan just isn’t right for her leadership anymore. The ShadowClan she knew and loved is dead and gone, and it’s never going to be the same. Tigerheart, along with the other reasons you mentioned, already has a group of former loners in the clan to support him and be loyal to him, isn’t culturally hostile like his father yet his warriors will obey him unlike his father.
Believe me, I wish there was someone else who was the right choice, but he really is. Everyone else just don’t fit the bill. Call it what you want- “made to look good”, “favorited”, whatever the reason he actually is the right choice at this point in time.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 17, 2018 22:23:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I honestly agree, even though I feel like I’m swallowing a pill as I say it. But it’s a necessary pill. Character-wise... Tigerheart would normally be my last choice, but things are so incredibly different right now. If Tawnypelt was leader back in the days of Blackstar, I’d be all for her. But the new reconstructing ShadowClan just isn’t right for her leadership anymore. The ShadowClan she knew and loved is dead and gone, and it’s never going to be the same. Tigerheart, along with the other reasons you mentioned, already has a group of former loners in the clan to support him and be loyal to him, isn’t culturally hostile like his father yet his warriors will obey him unlike his father. Believe me, I wish there was someone else who was the right choice, but he really is. Everyone else just don’t fit the bill. Call it what you want- “made to look good”, “favorited”, whatever the reason he actually is the right choice at this point in time. I'm not a fan of it myself, but it is the truth. And we the fans need to star acknowledging it.
At this point, Tawnypelt really should just retire. She has been through so much and it really seems to be getting to her. I know a lot of people wrote it off as the editors ruining her character, I myself did at first until I looked deeper into it. Tawnypelt is old. That is the naked truth. Old cats are not as patient as young ones. Had all of this happened a few years back, Tawnypelt might have done fine as leader in this situation.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 17, 2018 22:26:29 GMT -5
This was pretty well put.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 17, 2018 22:33:48 GMT -5
Oh, I have no doubt Tigerheart is the right choice. I just wish it was written better. I get that the Erins wanted to build him up to be this perfect leader, but it seemed like they overdid it in TS. He always had to be right, and that's basically where my annoyance comes in. It's like he has no flaws, especially after he becomes deputy. But other than that, I really could care less about who ShadowClan's leader is so long as they're actually a good leader. And if that has to be Tigerstar II, then so be it.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 17, 2018 23:10:02 GMT -5
As good as he can be, I really hope his leadership is super short and we can get a cat we all actually want for once :/
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Post by ratman on Apr 18, 2018 0:19:37 GMT -5
tigerheart became leader too early. if we ignore the bull**** that was no tawnystar, he likely is one of the better candidates. but he did willingly run away, even if for his mate, leaving the clan to its fate until he came back later.
he shouldve had to have proven himself first, like every other warrior barring tawnypelt actually.
not saying he isnt somewhat suited for the role, but imo he really shoukdve been tawnystars deputy first since he undeniably abandoned his clan, even if it wasnt for rogues and he did return later. thats just my take on it.
edit: tawnypelt obviously has faults, and thats true of any cat, but she really was the most qualified and trustworthy cat avaliable; a few more moons as deputy wouldnt kill tigerheart, not to mention he only became deputy in thunder and shadow. he could also probably teach her some things about forgiveness, and she'd likely listen since he's her son.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 18, 2018 5:32:52 GMT -5
Imo I still believe Tawnystar should have happened, she was there when ShadowClan needed someone, Tigerheart wasn't. He was too busy chasing after Dovewing.
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Post by Tas on Apr 18, 2018 6:12:31 GMT -5
I still feel like StarClan could have punished him for running away from his (definitely in need) Clan in a time of crisis to be with a forbidden mate. Instead he died, StarClan brought him back to life, made him leader, and gave him 9 lives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 6:49:18 GMT -5
I still don't like Tigerheartstar and how he's written...but by this point, ShadowClan does need a leader. And as much as I'd like for Tawnypelt to be leader instead of Tigerheartstar, I think her leadership would've been short like Nightstar. So all aboard, I guess.
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 18, 2018 7:16:02 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree. We've seen no leadership qualities for why Tigerheart should be deputy. We had cats saying they would be loyal to him, but we don't know why. Cats like him seem to be the reason why warriors are banned from having mates outside their Clans. People say the reason is dumb, but...he left, because Dovewing left and felt unsafe, therefore leaving his Clan to extinction. He's respected, but why? We're just told that he is, yet I don't see it.
Concerning the Guardians, he didn't really lead them, so much as push his Clan ideals onto him and so happened to be "right." He could've very been quickly wrong, but of course they made it to where he wasn't. The Guardians have existed for how long without all the crap he kept insisting they needed to do? But all the Clans sort of do that when meeting new groups of cats who don't follow Clan ways (or at the very least, they judge them silently). It seems unlikely that the Guardians never met another group of cats who may not be as friendly as they are. Hell, even Dovewing told Tigerheart to shut up and butt out, because he was grumbling and complaining that they weren't listening to him. He was very judgmental of the Guardians, and like I said, he only just so happened to be "right." I wonder how he would've responded if he was wrong and it turned out that other group really was innocent and not trying to do anything. His reaction at realizing that would've been a good indication of a leader who knows to accept being wrong.
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Post by Amberfoot on Apr 18, 2018 9:11:16 GMT -5
I think Tawnypelt would have been the best choice. Yes, she is old, but not nearly as ancient as Mistystar. I mean, she's the same age as Bramblestar. So if she's old, he's old.
I think its good to have younger cats in the clans now, but Tigerheartstar is going to be a very young leader compared to the rest of the cats, and even compared to their deputies (Reedwhisker for instance is just as old as Bramblestar/Tawnypelt)
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Apr 18, 2018 9:35:49 GMT -5
To be fair, Dovewing gave him no choice. While both were stupid, imagine if ThunderClan found out Tigerstar knew she left the Clans and told Tigerstar about it. It's a lose-lose for him.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 18, 2018 11:37:28 GMT -5
look at me, im tigerheart. im super important because im related to tigerstar 1 and all his other cool kin like bramblestar, my mom tawnypelt, and even uncle hawkfrost who was evil just like tigerstar 1! and im also only important because im forced to be with dovewing even though the relationship was forced, unhealthy, and we were both better off single to better ourselves instead of depend on one another for development!
and wow would you look at that, i've been forced to see dovewing, so now i will have kits with her even though our relationship still sucks! dovewing ran away! oh no, i have to find her, but then again i wanted to be a loyal warrior AND i am deputy! I can't leave them for dovewing! oh whatever, i'll just go anyways.
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Post by anxi0us on Apr 18, 2018 15:02:25 GMT -5
Man, Tawnypelt is old now that I think of it... But she would be a great leader is she could forgive her clanmates.
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Post by Lightflame on Apr 18, 2018 19:18:06 GMT -5
It's easy to seem like the best choice when the world bends over backwards to make everyone worship you.
AVOS and TS are full of characters praising Tigerheart as the perfect leader, but we never see why he's a good leader. We're just told he is one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 19:21:55 GMT -5
It's easy to seem like the best choice when the world bends over backwards to make everyone worship you. AVOS and TS are full of characters praising Tigerheart as the perfect leader, but we never see why he's a good leader. We're just told he is one. I agree. Now that's telling and not showing.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 18, 2018 21:30:29 GMT -5
It's easy to seem like the best choice when the world bends over backwards to make everyone worship you. AVOS and TS are full of characters praising Tigerheart as the perfect leader, but we never see why he's a good leader. We're just told he is one. Hey so I don't know if you know this or not but yea, this post and I are getting married sooooo
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