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Post by minnowfur on Apr 16, 2018 20:41:58 GMT -5
Rosepetal mentored Molewhisker,Larksong,Fernsong and Stempaw. Wonder if Rosepetal will become the next deputy.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 16, 2018 20:45:14 GMT -5
Yep. And all of her apprentices are toms.
She received two apprentices in the same series. She's still young, but she's already had four apprentices.
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 16, 2018 20:57:10 GMT -5
Rosestar also flows very well.
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Post by Lightflame on Apr 16, 2018 20:59:49 GMT -5
I've needed Rosestar for.....six and a half years now, wow.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 16, 2018 21:01:38 GMT -5
Ivystar with deputy Lilyheart or bust.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 21:31:39 GMT -5
if ivypool doesn't become deputy then rosepetal would be my second choice. honestly anyone but lionblaze or the older cats
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Post by Woofzie on Apr 16, 2018 21:35:25 GMT -5
Explain me what leader qualities Rosepetal has, please?
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 16, 2018 22:14:37 GMT -5
I'd prefer a leader Ivystar, with her first deputy being Berrynose, but I can see Rosepetal being her second deputy if Berrynose passes away from the first deputy curse, lol
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Post by streamflower on Apr 17, 2018 1:25:38 GMT -5
Explain me what leader qualities Rosepetal has, please? She's not Lionblaze That's good enough for me But in all seriousness: - She has had 4 apprentices - She definitely has experience compared to the other warriors when it comes to training young cats
- When the tree fell on the medicine den, Firestar asked her to traverse the inside of the tree in order to retrieve the herbs--she did it without question and was successful
- When encountering a fox, she attacked it furiously and only came away with a few scratches; she's obviously a good fighter
- Despite not caring much for Twigkit in the beginning, she was ready to invade Shadowclan on her own to rescue her
- She corrected the apprentices in the beliefs that fear is bad--She understands that fear can be a good thing, and that sometimes it is smart to be scared; we don't see this belief from the cats too often
- She did not train in the Dark Forest; her clanmates probably trust and respect her a bit more for this
- When Dovewing needed to confess to Bumblestripe that she wasn't into him, Rosepetal pushed her to do this; when Bumblestripe reacted badly, she comforted Dovewing; She encourages the truth, and if she sees someone punished for it she protects them (at least in this instance)
Overall she just seems (for the most part) level headed and willing to do a lot for her clan. She's obviously a successful mentor, and does seem to care about her clanmates. I'm not saying that another cat shouldn't be leader or deputy, but frankly she'd probably be a pretty good one. Yes, she did listen to Sol--but she was a young cat and I think she's learned from her mistakes.
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 17, 2018 1:47:13 GMT -5
streamflowerShe’s also in a good age range for it as well. With Foxleap and Icecloud both dead, and if I have my ages right, she is only younger than Lionblaze and Jayfeather by such and such moons. And unlike Lionblaze, she has no mate or kits to fret over. And she’s not too old like anyone born in OS or TNP. Berrynose and Mousewhisker would not really qualify as leadership material as both cats have not had an apprentice. (Mousewhisker was only given his first apprentice in ROF.) So with the criteria, Streamflower had listed, she would certainly make an excellent leader. And while tragic it is a bonus in terms of less ties to cling to regarding mate and kits.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 17, 2018 2:03:28 GMT -5
She's certainly has experience. And I mean, I guess she could be deputy one day, but I just can't see it for some reason.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 17, 2018 2:09:09 GMT -5
I'm kind of iffy on Rosepetal being the next leader. I definitely want to see Ivystar over Rosestar.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 17, 2018 2:09:35 GMT -5
Berrynose and Mousewhisker would not really qualify as leadership material as both cats have not had an apprentice. (Mousewhisker was only given his first apprentice in ROF.) True for Berrynose as of now, but Mousewhisker has been a mentor before. His first apprentice was Bumblestripe.
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 17, 2018 2:20:37 GMT -5
Berrynose and Mousewhisker would not really qualify as leadership material as both cats have not had an apprentice. (Mousewhisker was only given his first apprentice in ROF.) True for Berrynose as of now, but Mousewhisker has been a mentor before. His first apprentice was Bumblestripe. My bad then! I had assumed he had only just been given an apprentice. He was my least favorite of Daisy’s kits and I lost track if he had any apprentices.
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Post by Woofzie on Apr 17, 2018 2:29:08 GMT -5
Explain me what leader qualities Rosepetal has, please? She's not Lionblaze That's good enough for me But in all seriousness: - She has had 4 apprentices - She definitely has experience compared to the other warriors when it comes to training young cats
- When the tree fell on the medicine den, Firestar asked her to traverse the inside of the tree in order to retrieve the herbs--she did it without question and was successful
- When encountering a fox, she attacked it furiously and only came away with a few scratches; she's obviously a good fighter
- Despite not caring much for Twigkit in the beginning, she was ready to invade Shadowclan on her own to rescue her
- She corrected the apprentices in the beliefs that fear is bad--She understands that fear can be a good thing, and that sometimes it is smart to be scared; we don't see this belief from the cats too often
- She did not train in the Dark Forest; her clanmates probably trust and respect her a bit more for this
- When Dovewing needed to confess to Bumblestripe that she wasn't into him, Rosepetal pushed her to do this; when Bumblestripe reacted badly, she comforted Dovewing; She encourages the truth, and if she sees someone punished for it she protects them (at least in this instance)
Overall she just seems (for the most part) level headed and willing to do a lot for her clan. She's obviously a successful mentor, and does seem to care about her clanmates. I'm not saying that another cat shouldn't be leader or deputy, but frankly she'd probably be a pretty good one. Yes, she did listen to Sol--but she was a young cat and I think she's learned from her mistakes.
Pretty much what other normal warriors do, it's part of her duties. No offense, but everything above it's the average of what a normal warrior does... and not every warrior shows leader qualities. - Cloudtail trained 4, Brackenfur trained 4, Thornclaw trained 4, Bumblestripe trained 3, Firestar trained 4 (only 2 were official), Bramblestar trained 1, Crookedstar trained 2. So, the number of apprentices honestly doesn't mean to have leader qualities... Sure, she has experience, but how often a leader has been mentor? It's mostly a task for warriors.
- Again, any other warrior could have done that? As you said, Firestar asked her to do it. She didn't show initiative for herself.
- Yeah, and in the same book she made Twigkit feel bad because she hear her said that she was only another mouth to feed to the Clan. Molewhisker and Alderheart wanted to rescue her too. And the fact that she was ready to fight with weak warriors just disturbs me in some way.
- There are plenty of cats who didn't train in the Dark Forest. Ironically those who have (Bramblestar and Ivypool and even Lionblaze sometimes) showed much more leader qualities than any of them. Years have passed, nobody cares now who trained in the DF by now.
- She... she was pretty aggressive in that scene? And she didn't tell Dovewing to told him the truth, but only to Dovewing to apologize to him?
- She didn't confort Dovewing???
I don't dislike Rosepetal, I have nothing against her, but I frankly don't, can't understand the amount of people who wants her to be leader? She's been show to be sometimes a bit aggressive and bad tempered and I never saw any leader trait of her? Unlike Ivypool, Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, heck, even Berrynose shows more leader material than she?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 17, 2018 5:40:29 GMT -5
I hope not, shes too much of a hot head. Shes becoming the new Cloudtail though, personally I would prefer Lilyheart as a possible deputy over her.
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Post by streamflower on Apr 17, 2018 10:03:41 GMT -5
She's not Lionblaze That's good enough for me But in all seriousness: - She has had 4 apprentices - She definitely has experience compared to the other warriors when it comes to training young cats
- When the tree fell on the medicine den, Firestar asked her to traverse the inside of the tree in order to retrieve the herbs--she did it without question and was successful
- When encountering a fox, she attacked it furiously and only came away with a few scratches; she's obviously a good fighter
- Despite not caring much for Twigkit in the beginning, she was ready to invade Shadowclan on her own to rescue her
- She corrected the apprentices in the beliefs that fear is bad--She understands that fear can be a good thing, and that sometimes it is smart to be scared; we don't see this belief from the cats too often
- She did not train in the Dark Forest; her clanmates probably trust and respect her a bit more for this
- When Dovewing needed to confess to Bumblestripe that she wasn't into him, Rosepetal pushed her to do this; when Bumblestripe reacted badly, she comforted Dovewing; She encourages the truth, and if she sees someone punished for it she protects them (at least in this instance)
Overall she just seems (for the most part) level headed and willing to do a lot for her clan. She's obviously a successful mentor, and does seem to care about her clanmates. I'm not saying that another cat shouldn't be leader or deputy, but frankly she'd probably be a pretty good one. Yes, she did listen to Sol--but she was a young cat and I think she's learned from her mistakes.
Pretty much what other normal warriors do, it's part of her duties. No offense, but everything above it's the average of what a normal warrior does... and not every warrior shows leader qualities. - Cloudtail trained 4, Brackenfur trained 4, Thornclaw trained 4, Bumblestripe trained 3, Firestar trained 4 (only 2 were official), Bramblestar trained 1, Crookedstar trained 2. So, the number of apprentices honestly doesn't mean to have leader qualities... Sure, she has experience, but how often a leader has been mentor? It's mostly a task for warriors.
- Again, any other warrior could have done that? As you said, Firestar asked her to do it. She didn't show initiative for herself.
- Yeah, and in the same book she made Twigkit feel bad because she hear her said that she was only another mouth to feed to the Clan. Molewhisker and Alderheart wanted to rescue her too. And the fact that she was ready to fight with weak warriors just disturbs me in some way.
- There are plenty of cats who didn't train in the Dark Forest. Ironically those who have (Bramblestar and Ivypool and even Lionblaze sometimes) showed much more leader qualities than any of them. Years have passed, nobody cares now who trained in the DF by now.
- She... she was pretty aggressive in that scene? And she didn't tell Dovewing to told him the truth, but only to Dovewing to apologize to him?
- She didn't confort Dovewing???
I don't dislike Rosepetal, I have nothing against her, but I frankly don't, can't understand the amount of people who wants her to be leader? She's been show to be sometimes a bit aggressive and bad tempered and I never saw any leader trait of her? Unlike Ivypool, Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, heck, even Berrynose shows more leader material than she? The thing about the apprentices is true, but she's also much younger than all the cats you listed who are alive; And yes, she was doing her duties, but there are warriors who do question their leaders, and will even undermine their decisions. As far as I've seen (again, I could be wrong) she hasn't done this. And about Twigkit--yes, she made her feel bad, but she did end up caring about her in the end. My point is that despite the fact that she didn't care for her in the beginning, she did eventually recognize her as a clanmate--something some cats seem to have an inherent problem doing when it comes to outsiders. Furthermore, there are plenty of warriors willing to attack those who are weak; for instance, Hailstar wanted to take back Sunningrocks after the gather showed the Thunderclan cats as skinny and malnourished. There was no cat in Riverclan who was against that. Shadowclan and Riverclan did the same thing when they drove out Windclan in the first series; if one clan is weak there will always be cats willing to take advantage of them for it. I'm not saying it's right, but it is common for that mindset to be present. I personally dislike Bramblestar as leader; I think he's weak. And while I like Lionblaze, I don't want him as leader. He's just too....vanilla, for lack of a better term, and I just would like to see a cat neither related to Firestar nor Tigerstar I take a leadership position. I'm personally fine with Ivypool and I'd be happy to see her as leader. And I don't know if all the cats are entirely forgetful of the Dark Forest trainees. In RoF there was still hostility against Breezepelt; however whether that's because of his DF ties and/or general terrible qualities, I'm not sure. In that scene I don't necessarily think Rosepetal is wrong. Dovewing should have been honest with him, and frankly she needed that push to tell Bumblestripe the truth. However, I'll read that scene again, I guess I remembered it differently. And I'd be happy with Berrynose as leader! Or Ivypool! You just asked why some people would like Rosepetal as leader so I responded. I think people are also just tired of seeing the constant Fire/Tiger leaders across the books, or at least cats with Thunderclan ties as leaders. I mean, 3/5 leaders currently are related to Thunderclan in some way (yes I'm including Bramblestar, but it should only be 1/5 related to Thunderclan, not three).
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 17, 2018 10:13:30 GMT -5
I'm so torn, because there's more candidates here for deputy than I thought I'd support. But at the end of the day, as Bramblestar and Squirrelflight are replaced (I just want new leadership and younger cats in power...), I'd be happy with Ivypool, Rosepetal, Lilyheart, or Berrynose climbing the ladder to become deputies or leaders. I'm entertained by the thought of Berrynose as leader and Rosepetal as deputy, because it not only breaks the chain of Firestar's immediate family somehow always being so special, but it stops the parent-child as leader-deputy combo that's been going on for a while. However, I also really like Lilyheart, and she could do that as well by being switched with Rosepetal. Ivypool has shown leadership skills, too, so her as leader with Berrynose or Rosepetal as deputy...gah! A lot of good combos here, imo.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 17, 2018 10:19:42 GMT -5
I only want a Berrystar or Berrynose as deputy because I know he'll be a far cry from the constant bland and super "honorable" leader trends we saw with Bluestar, Firestar and Bramblestar. And this isn't even me hopping on the idea just for Berrynose. This is me seeing him as a pretty consistent and unique opportunity for a leadership position.
Honestly, leadership candidates for me at the moment are Ivypool, Berrynose, Whitewing, Rosepetal, Lilyheart or Cinderheart.
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Post by Katanaheart on Apr 17, 2018 12:16:11 GMT -5
While Ivypool would make an okay deputy, I feel like she’ll be too worried about her kits, mate, Dovewing, her sister’s kits, etc. (I have not read ROF so I Plus she would continue the lineage of those related to Firestar being leader, as she is Cloudtail’s granddaughter. And I would rather not have that, at all... We need someone unrelated to Firestar’s lineage (by blood or trained by him.) whatsoever, which every cat in all high positions are at this point...
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 17, 2018 14:15:39 GMT -5
Rosepetal > Ivypool
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 17, 2018 14:27:18 GMT -5
Berrynose is not leader material.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 17, 2018 14:31:40 GMT -5
Berrynose is not leader material. Depends on perspective. I think he does, you think he doesn't, both are valid opinions.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 17, 2018 14:32:27 GMT -5
Berrynose is not leader material. Depends on perspective. I think he does, you think he doesn't, both are valid opinions. I can respect opinions. ^^ I just personally can't see it.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 17, 2018 14:39:16 GMT -5
Depends on perspective. I think he does, you think he doesn't, both are valid opinions. I can respect opinions. ^^ I just personally can't see it. Understandable. I only desire it because it'd be a really uniqie leadership for Thunderclan, who usually has really capable leaders. I'd like seeing a cat like Berrynose having to fit himself into leadership responsabilities. This being said, whether he'd be good or bad is all part of the wonder of it XD Above all, I'm 1000 percent on board with Ivystar above anyone else.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 18, 2018 5:34:46 GMT -5
Did everyone seriously forget when Rosepetal crossed the border, purposely to start a fight with WindClan, right in front of Bramblestar? And she got clawed for it? Again, she's way too hotheaded. Honestly we barely even see anything of her anyways, she's just that typical background character, she'll end up like Cloudtail after he dies, the new default mentor, next to Dustpelt.
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