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FernIvy
Apr 14, 2018 13:23:57 GMT -5
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Post by Pixie on Apr 14, 2018 13:23:57 GMT -5
When I first heard that Ivypool was getting a mate, I didn't mind. I wasn't particularly mad or happy.
However, I would like the ship more if Fernsong was more than a blatant love interest that breaks gender norms in a society where gender norms don't exist.
I want to see a scene where he isn't with Ivypool. I want to see his connections to other cats.
Heck, let's see his interactions with his sisters so we can learn more about them. We already know about Ivypool enough as it is. Instead of spending screentime on old pov characters, let's learn more about the backround characters that can go literally books without being mentioned.
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FernIvy
Apr 14, 2018 13:28:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 13:28:58 GMT -5
This is why I don't absolutely love FernIvy. It's also unnecessary and the idea of it has been done before. Fernsong will only just get in the way when he stays with the kits. He doesn't provide milk for them. I like FernIvy and have nothing against them but I am not attached to them like most people. I'd be fine with it if Fernsong was just simply a developed romantic interest for Ivypool but the fact that she never thought about taking a mate is what bothers me about this. It's developed, but it feels forced too, because she never really cared for a mate.
However I do like how it has helped Ivypool understand Dovewing more so it has made me appreciate FernIvy, but I still find it unnecessary.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 14, 2018 13:30:34 GMT -5
But we did have scenes where he wasn't with Ivypool, the time he brought one of the kits to the nursery because he was worried they were sick. He's shown to be a caring cat, a father/brother figure to other younger cats. But I do agree, I want to see more of him, but since he's a side character we won't see much because he's not the main protagonist, and is with an ex. protagonist. But he's more relevant than like half of modern ThunderClan.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 14, 2018 13:35:19 GMT -5
This is why I don't absolutely love FernIvy. It's also unnecessary and the idea of it has been done before. Fernsong will only just get in the way when he stays with the kits. He doesn't provide milk for them. I like FernIvy and have nothing against them but I am not attached to them like most people. I'd be fine with it if Fernsong was just simply a developed romantic interest for Ivypool but the fact that she never thought about taking a mate is what bothers me about this. It's developed, but it feels forced too, because she never really cared for a mate. However I do like how it has helped Ivypool understand Dovewing more so it has made me appreciate FernIvy, but I still find it unnecessary. Fernsong volunteered to stay with the kits only when Ivypool isn't around, and wants to stretch her legs. And it's only going to happen after they're weaned off Ivypool's milk. The kits will be weaned eventually, but that doens't mean Ivypool goes back to being an official warrior right after, that's not until they become apprentices. I don't think there's anything wrong with Fernsong wanted to take off the stresses of being a first-time mom from Ivypool's shoulders, let alone him wanting to be an active role in his kits lives. Plenty of other cats in warriors never thought about having a mate when they were younger, Imo I would prefer cats wait until they're mature before considering the idea of mates. And wanting a mate doens't go hand in hand with having a crush or feelings for someone else. Apprentices aren't allowed to have mates because they need to be focusing on their training, which is why I prefer matured pairings like Ivy x Fern or Violet x Tree, but that's just me. |
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 14, 2018 14:40:43 GMT -5
The erins are dumb. they only put him with ivypool to make a statement about "gender roles." even though i agree with aqua, that it's DUMB because fernsong is a tom and doesn't provide milk for kits, so this "stay at home dad" thing is total NONSENSE.
and they put fernsong with his relative when they have previously canceled other ships like foxleap and rosepetal when they were closely related??? there's a whole prophecy saying how lionblaze is related to dovewing and therefore also ivypool. and yet they force ivypool to get with someone?
i am still pissed they gave her a mate just to give her one.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 14, 2018 14:43:49 GMT -5
People complaining yet again about FernIvy? Why am I not surprised...
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FernIvy
Apr 14, 2018 14:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 14:44:05 GMT -5
The erins are dumb. they only put him with ivypool to make a statement about "gender roles." even though i agree with aqua, that it's DUMB because fernsong is a tom and doesn't provide milk for kits, so this "stay at home dad" thing is total NONSENSE. and they put fernsong with his relative when they have previously canceled other ships like foxleap and rosepetal when they were closely related??? there's a whole prophecy saying how lionblaze is related to dovewing and therefore also ivypool. and yet they force ivypool to get with someone? i am still pissed they gave her a mate just to give her one. Yeah pretty much this. I admit they're cute together, but it isn't necessary nor needed. |
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 14, 2018 14:47:12 GMT -5
just gonna say more about the relative thing.
they are clearly biased about it because like i said, they canceled ships like fox and rose for being "too closely related" but they put lionblaze's kit with ivypool even when there's a whole prophecy about lionblaze being related to dovewing AND ivypool? yeah, talk about total BS, erins/editors. that's just so wrong how they have bias towards which "related cats" can be mates, because there is no reason for fern x ivy to exist other than dumb attempts at "gender role controversy."
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Fawnwing
Tree is good, you guys are just mean
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Post by Fawnwing on Apr 14, 2018 14:50:43 GMT -5
I don't really get the gender roles argument you guys are talking about. But that's just my opinion, I find Fernsong to be a really nice and caring guy to Ivypool' s personality of tough love. It's cute. I think he just wants to make her the happiest she can be and he'll do anything for her, that's why I love it so much. I dont see whats the problem with him being in the nursery, he would able to take care of them once they don't need milk. It just shows he cares about her well being. Believe me, I didn't think she would be with mate at all, but when I saw them together, they suit each other. Guess I'm in the minority, but that's fine by me.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 14, 2018 15:42:57 GMT -5
The erins are dumb. they only put him with ivypool to make a statement about "gender roles." even though i agree with aqua, that it's DUMB because fernsong is a tom and doesn't provide milk for kits, so this "stay at home dad" thing is total NONSENSE. and they put fernsong with his relative when they have previously canceled other ships like foxleap and rosepetal when they were closely related??? there's a whole prophecy saying how lionblaze is related to dovewing and therefore also ivypool. and yet they force ivypool to get with someone? i am still pissed they gave her a mate just to give her one. Fernsong being unable to produce milk doesn't matter if he offered to stay with his kits when they're already weaned off milk? Also Fern and Ivy aren't even 1% related compared to 25% between an uncle and niece like Fox x Dove/Rose/Ivy. One way or another cats will be related in an isolated clan, Fern x Ivy isn't even up there on the worst possibilities. |
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Post by Basement Cat on Apr 14, 2018 15:59:12 GMT -5
I would tolerate it more if it wasn't so blatantly shoved in your face. Or if it didn't objectify Fernsong into Ivypool's trophy wife.
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