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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Apr 12, 2018 23:28:34 GMT -5
What characters do you think deserved better in life? I think Gray Wing deserved better. He is my favorite character, and I'm still sad over his death. He spent his entire life looking after his friends and family, trying to do right by them by making sure they were all right, even though they often didn't return the same courtesy back. And every time he finally gets something nice in return, something bad immediately happens to him afterwords. I just feel so bad for him. I feel like he deserved better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 23:30:12 GMT -5
Dovewing (the writing treated her terribly lol)
Graywing
Squirrelflight (Bramblestar was too cold on her)
Tawnypelt. DEFINITELY TAWNYPELT.
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Post by Moonblazer on Apr 12, 2018 23:34:38 GMT -5
Everybody say it with me!
Ready?
R O W A N S T A R, RoWaNsTaR
T A W N Y P E L T, TaWnYpELT
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Post by Fernstep on Apr 12, 2018 23:35:20 GMT -5
Snowbush. Death by freak accidents is for characters that don't do anything, not characters with children.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 23:45:53 GMT -5
Snowbush. Death by freak accidents is for characters that don't do anything, not characters with children. oh. my. god. his death pissed me off. it felt like an INSULT, the way how they made him look stupid! |
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 13, 2018 0:25:07 GMT -5
Millie. she was better in the manga and after being put into the puts, she didn't really do much. graystripe would STILL rather be with silverstream than with her as evident by the last hope. as a first time mother, her kit was crippled and she had a hard time mentally processing this. she has to also live with the consequences of not paying attention to blossomfall, even if they did already make up.
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 13, 2018 0:27:23 GMT -5
I don't understand what you guys mean by "deserved better" if the characters you liked got better, you wouldn't like them as much. you might not even like them at all. that's the whole point. strange topic
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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Apr 13, 2018 1:23:51 GMT -5
I don't understand what you guys mean by "deserved better" if the characters you liked got better, you wouldn't like them as much. you might not even like them at all. that's the whole point. strange topic How is it strange to think good people deserve to have good things happen to them? |
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 13, 2018 1:25:33 GMT -5
I don't understand what you guys mean by "deserved better" if the characters you liked got better, you wouldn't like them as much. you might not even like them at all. that's the whole point. strange topic How is it strange to think good people deserve to have good things happen to them? Because they're characters. If good things were always happening to them, you wouldn't care. You care for them BECAUSE bad things are always happening |
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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Apr 13, 2018 1:39:58 GMT -5
How is it strange to think good people deserve to have good things happen to them? Because they're characters. If good things were always happening to them, you wouldn't care. You care for them BECAUSE bad things are always happening I disagree. I love Gray Wing because he is kindhearted and compassionate, and always has been from the moment The Sun Trail started. Drama keeps readers invested in the story, but that doesn't mean that is the only reason why people care about the characters. Otherwise no one would care about the background characters, but plenty of people do. |
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 13, 2018 1:46:52 GMT -5
Because they're characters. If good things were always happening to them, you wouldn't care. You care for them BECAUSE bad things are always happening I disagree. I love Gray Wing because he is kindhearted and compassionate, and always has been from the moment The Sun Trail started. Drama keeps readers invested in the story, but that doesn't mean that is the only reason why people care about the characters. Otherwise no one would care about the background characters, but plenty of people do. And I disagree. Yes we can like background characters, but to give an example I'll say Firestar. I feel a similar way about him that you do about Gray Wing. But it's all the events that happen to him that shows how compassionate he can be. I'm really glad Cinderpelt was injured, because it defined and developed her character. I love the set up for all the tragic stories of Bluestar and Yellowfang because they make the character awesome! Without all those things a character is just one note. You can still like them on a basic level, but they don't have depth. Yes of course all good people deserve to have good things happen. But this is fiction and wanting good things to happen is just a bit odd in my opinion |
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Post by Gяαч Sкч on Apr 13, 2018 2:01:07 GMT -5
I disagree. I love Gray Wing because he is kindhearted and compassionate, and always has been from the moment The Sun Trail started. Drama keeps readers invested in the story, but that doesn't mean that is the only reason why people care about the characters. Otherwise no one would care about the background characters, but plenty of people do. And I disagree. Yes we can like background characters, but to give an example I'll say Firestar. I feel a similar way about him that you do about Gray Wing. But it's all the events that happen to him that shows how compassionate he can be. I'm really glad Cinderpelt was injured, because it defined and developed her character. I love the set up for all the tragic stories of Bluestar and Yellowfang because they make the character awesome! Without all those things a character is just one note. You can still like them on a basic level, but they don't have depth. Yes of course all good people deserve to have good things happen. But this is fiction and wanting good things to happen is just a bit odd in my opinion I'm not saying nothing bad should ever happen. I'm just saying that Gray Wing deserved better after everything he went through. He had finally gotten his happy ending, only to immediately die moments after. |
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Post by mothsnap on Apr 13, 2018 2:02:50 GMT -5
Well that’s the flow of the narrative. Starclan is fun anyways
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Post by Felicia on Apr 13, 2018 2:10:19 GMT -5
I think Longtail is a very sad character because he was often put in the background or in a bad light originally (At least in my perspective). He deserved better, even if on the very first books he was an angsty teenager with moody problems... But he didn't know better. It must have been pretty infuriating for him to get his booty whoop'd by a kittypet if you're a newly-named warrior. Spoilers ahead for The New Prophecy books juuuust incase. It made me really upset when I read Longtail was blinded so young. And by nothing less than a RABBIT. He deserved a chance to prove himself as a character full of passion for his warrior-duties! Irks my skin to think he just. Sits there in the elders den, doing nothing... He IS among my favorite characters though, so I feel a little biased. |
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Post by foxstride on Apr 13, 2018 7:48:03 GMT -5
I think Longtail is a very sad character because he was often put in the background or in a bad light originally (At least in my perspective). He deserved better, even if on the very first books he was an angsty teenager with moody problems... But he didn't know better. It must have been pretty infuriating for him to get his booty whoop'd by a kittypet if you're a newly-named warrior. Spoilers ahead for The New Prophecy books juuuust incase. It made me really upset when I read Longtail was blinded so young. And by nothing less than a RABBIT. He deserved a chance to prove himself as a character full of passion for his warrior-duties! Irks my skin to think he just. Sits there in the elders den, doing nothing... He IS among my favorite characters though, so I feel a little biased. I really like his arc, and I feel sorry for what happened to him, but he was also an incredible character throughout The New Prophecy and Power of Three. I just wish he'd gotten a little more attention. That cat was set up for an antagonist role, he was accused plenty, put in the same basket as Darkstripe (for good reason of course), but he was honourable. Dustpelt not joining Tigerclaw seemed focused on his mentor having been murdered, but Longtail stood up to him despite his fear. Also a note that that spoiler counts for Firestar's Quest more so (I don't think it's even mentioned about the cause outside of FQ) for anybody who hasn't read that. |
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 13, 2018 8:10:50 GMT -5
foxstride FeliciaLongtail is one of my favourite characters, so I am super happy at these comments. I agree with you a lot. I feel like he just kept paying for his mistakes, losing his apprentice because Bluestar didn't trust him, blinded after everything ended in the original series. He overcame his fear, and his ties to his best friends to follow his clan and do what was right. It was heart warming to see that Firestar didn't want to leave him behind with the older elders. I sort of wished we saw a bit more of Dustpelt and Longtail getting along, since they were in the same crowd for a time, and more time with Longtail. Admittedly, he was a jerk but he ran with the wrong crowd. I really liked how he developed, and how he even saved Firestar (Fireheart at the time) when he fell into the flooded river due to Tigerstar's (Tigerclaw at the time) orders. I felt like in that moment that he could be redeemed, unlike Darkstripe. I think he was a decent elder and turned out to be a well meaning cat, and surprisingly wasn't the grumpiest elder in Thunderclan.
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Post by Pixie on Apr 13, 2018 8:16:55 GMT -5
Rowanstar
Tawnypelt
Gray Wing
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Apr 13, 2018 8:32:25 GMT -5
Squirrelflight and Tawnypelt. |
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Post by foxstride on Apr 13, 2018 9:56:43 GMT -5
foxstride Felicia Longtail is one of my favourite characters, so I am super happy at these comments. I agree with you a lot. I feel like he just kept paying for his mistakes, losing his apprentice because Bluestar didn't trust him, blinded after everything ended in the original series. He overcame his fear, and his ties to his best friends to follow his clan and do what was right. It was heart warming to see that Firestar didn't want to leave him behind with the older elders. I sort of wished we saw a bit more of Dustpelt and Longtail getting along, since they were in the same crowd for a time, and more time with Longtail. Admittedly, he was a jerk but he ran with the wrong crowd. I really liked how he developed, and how he even saved Firestar (Fireheart at the time) when he fell into the flooded river due to Tigerstar's (Tigerclaw at the time) orders. I felt like in that moment that he could be redeemed, unlike Darkstripe. I think he was a decent elder and turned out to be a well meaning cat, and surprisingly wasn't the grumpiest elder in Thunderclan. Yes to all of this. Absolutely. I adored him as an elder, and I agree on wanting to see more of Dustpelt and Longtail. Especially given that they were half-brothers, and while kin wasn't so important in the original series, it would have been nice to see them bond as they were both infleunced by Darkstripe and Tigerclaw, and both still disliked Fireheart, and came to respect him. I feel his redemption was brushed over, really, but I still adore him. |
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Post by Amber on Apr 13, 2018 10:04:04 GMT -5
Nightcloud- On the one hand I don't like her that much, but on the other I believe her character was purposefully made to be more antagonistic to make the readers feel bad for the failed romance between Crowfeather and Leafpool.
Squirrelflight- Bramblestar was not only quite rude to her after their breakup, but when it comes to the Jay/Holly/Lion situation he was quite hypocritical towards her when he himself was training with his obviously evil father and kept it secret from everyone. He didn't even apologize for the way he treated her. Also way too many people are too hard on her and like blaming her for every little thing she does.
Ashfoot- She was one of the last few good WC cats under Onestar's reign. She lost her first son from who knows what and then later her mate before her second litter was born(I think?). Oh and her only living kit is a terrible person.
Rowanstar- I think he could've been a fairly decent leader under the right conditions. However him, and many other characters, were unfairly desecrated for the sake of Tigerheart
Tawnypelt- This is obvious
Dovewing- I used to hate her but now I'm more or less indifferent to her character. I mean she learned about this big important prophecy at an incredibly young age and could never grow up normally. Also all her character development after breaking up with Tigerheart was thrown out the window for the sake of their romance.
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Post by Firestorm on Apr 13, 2018 13:52:02 GMT -5
Hollyleaf. She deserved to be one of the Three, and she didn't deserve to die.
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 13, 2018 14:14:30 GMT -5
Hollyleaf. She deserved to be one of the Three, and she didn't deserve to die. i absolutely agree! the writers did her and the series itself a disservice by not making her the third cat like they originally planned. she didn't deserve to go "insane" and then be replaced by dovewing (who is one of the worst written characters rn, especially after tigerheart's shadow where she is out of character). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 14:15:19 GMT -5
Bumblestripe
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 13, 2018 14:25:04 GMT -5
he didnt deserve to be dragged through the mud just to make tigerheart look better |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 14:32:00 GMT -5
I've got a list of ten cats who deserved better:
Cinderpelt
Rowanclaw
Squirrelflight
Bumblestripe
Pre-StarClan Yellowfang
Mudclaw
Storm
Pebbleshine
Stormfur
Tawnypelt
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 13, 2018 14:32:27 GMT -5
GRAY WING.
I mean....c'mon. Couldn't he have at least raised his biological kits before he died?
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Post by Lady of the Emblem on Apr 13, 2018 14:34:38 GMT -5
GRAY WING. I mean....c'mon. Couldn't he have at least raised his biological kits before he died? y e s. clear sky should have died alone instead. gray wing was too good to die early. |
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Post by Owlmoon on Apr 13, 2018 20:25:38 GMT -5
Storm.
Gray Wing.
Ivypool. (I might be biased on that one, but she deserves the world, in my opinion.)
Snowbush.
Dovewing.
Tawnypelt.
Squirrelflight.
Silverstream. Even tho she had it coming...
Cinderpelt.
Need I continue?
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Post by olivepatch on Apr 13, 2018 23:25:11 GMT -5
hollyleaf. gotta love bringing back a loved character then killing her off a book later am i right?
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Apr 14, 2018 2:46:50 GMT -5
-Gray Wing
-Turtle Tail
-Tawnypelt
-Squirrelflight
-Stormfur
-Hollyleaf
-Dawnpelt
-Flametail
-Littlecloud (mostly referring to his crap treatment in AVOS arc)
-Briarlight
-Bumblestripe
-Brackenfur (poor dude has lost most of his family)
-Ferncloud (she lost a lot of her family too)
-Redtail (still bothers me that we never got to see much of him, despite being a semi-important character in TPB)
-Mothwing
-Cinderpelt
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